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Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:51 PM Dec 2015

Pondering Stephen Colbert's remarks, who do we think the "machine" actually wanted?

I agree with Colbert's observation, so my question for DU is "Who do you think the "machine" actually "wanted?"

I find it hard to believe that they visualized Jeb going the distance. My guess is Cruz. I have more than a few conservative friends who see right past the "crazy," because they choose to believe the crazy doesn't exist. A few like Carson but don't really go deep on him, either.

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/news/stephen-colbert-donald-trumps-populism-very-appealing-20151223

"There's a populism to Trump that I found very appealing," Colbert said. "The party elders would like him to go away but the people have decided that he is not going to. I may disagree with anything that he's saying and think that his proposals are a little ... well, more than a little shocking. But there is something really hopeful about the fact that, well, 36 percent of the likely voters want him so the people in the machine don't get to say otherwise. That's the one saving grace, I think, of his candidacy.

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Pondering Stephen Colbert's remarks, who do we think the "machine" actually wanted? (Original Post) Miles Archer Dec 2015 OP
Which machine???? HereSince1628 Dec 2015 #1
one machine to rule them all virtualobserver Dec 2015 #5
i have no doubt that they would have liked Bush or walker restorefreedom Dec 2015 #2
My guess is that if the nomination doesn't go to Trump, it will certainly go to Cruz Miles Archer Dec 2015 #4
agree, and not that i visit regularly, restorefreedom Dec 2015 #6
wishful thinking. But that's what we pay him for nowadays. librechik Dec 2015 #3
The machine wanted Jeb! TexasBushwhacker Dec 2015 #7
I honestly thought he was smarter than this: GeorgeGist Dec 2015 #8
I agree Mona Dec 2015 #10
I went around and around with that comment for a while... Miles Archer Dec 2015 #13
Just guessing, but I'd say the machine's candidate isn't on that slate. LiberalAndProud Dec 2015 #9
i can see them settling for santorum. pansypoo53219 Dec 2015 #11
I get it... lame54 Dec 2015 #12

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
1. Which machine????
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:53 PM
Dec 2015

The traditional movement republican machine? The Tea Party machine?

One of the several oligarchy machines? such as the Murdoch Media-based Machine, the Adelman Machine, or the Koch Machine

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
2. i have no doubt that they would have liked Bush or walker
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:56 PM
Dec 2015

walker is gone, and bush is basically going to hover in single digits until he tires of this. and much as trump is loathesome, the fact that the entire country is giving the middle finger to the establishment oligarchy is a good thing imo

as long as trump or cruz dont become pres

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
4. My guess is that if the nomination doesn't go to Trump, it will certainly go to Cruz
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:59 PM
Dec 2015

I think we have more to be concerned about with Cruz as the nominee than we do Trump. I know far too many conservatives who will vote for him just to block the opposing candidate, whether it's Clinton or Sanders.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
6. agree, and not that i visit regularly,
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:02 PM
Dec 2015

but trump and cruz are the faves over at fr. they HATE bush and are not too fond of christie or rubio.

cruz is a scary dude and will be harder for the dem to beat than the vegas act.

librechik

(30,676 posts)
3. wishful thinking. But that's what we pay him for nowadays.
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 12:58 PM
Dec 2015

who did they want? They want the democrats to lose. And they are very very incompetent and self centered. So they haven't picked him yet, or he is unavailable. Trump was available.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,209 posts)
7. The machine wanted Jeb!
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 01:06 PM
Dec 2015

Otherwise they wouldn't have given his Super PAC wouldn't have raised $100Million. Cruz has less than half that - $40Million.

Mona

(135 posts)
10. I agree
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 03:43 PM
Dec 2015

Really disappointed that he *respects* the candidate being able to use hate and fear in order to override thinking and common sense (just the basic fact that none of his so-called policies even make sense). I understand Colbert's point, but sounds like it was contrived not to lose viewers.

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
13. I went around and around with that comment for a while...
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 06:01 PM
Dec 2015

...and ultimately decided that he found the fact that "Trump's populism" threw a wrench into the plans of the "party elders" to be appealing, not the substance of what Trump said or the man himself.

Of course, I could be wrong, because I'm not the guy who said it.

But I've said it before on DU...before the "rise" of Trump, I am 100% convinced that Jebby thought he was going to cake-walk to his coronation.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
9. Just guessing, but I'd say the machine's candidate isn't on that slate.
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 02:09 PM
Dec 2015

As far as choosing the line-up, they would be thrilled with a Bush/Clinton smash up.

lame54

(35,313 posts)
12. I get it...
Thu Dec 24, 2015, 05:31 PM
Dec 2015

he is no way endorsing Trump

but anything that damages the republican party as a whole is a good thing

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