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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEven if tRump loses, he has erased all the social gains that have been made for the better...
...in our society. It will take decades to get it all back where it was just 6 short months ago.
tRump's followers and brownshirts had been shamed into either accepting social changes and racial and gender equality, homosexuality, and or at least keeping their vile bigotry and hate to themselves. They were marginalized.
But now, they have been emboldened to shed their facades and it will take an extremely long time to shove them all back into their hateful margins. Not only that, he has emboldened the slimiest of the slimy politicians to emulate him and advance his hateful rhetoric to their followers. And there's no telling how many lives his hateful rhetorical has cost by inspiring sorry people to commit sorry offenses against those they hate.
Imagine if he wins.
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99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I disagree with the OP. The bigots were never silenced or shamed. But the Trump rallies, like the Tea Party rallies in 09 and 10 have given them a new place to congregate. I welcome it. Let's get the cockroaches into the open, and destroy the GOP while doing it.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)On this we disagree. I never think it's a good idea to encourage evil people to seek
public office; because there are often unintended consequences, and unexpected turns
of events.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Kasich, Pataki.....the guys with the least chance?
Everyone else running on that side has a potential to be very bad for this nation. Was George W evil? I'd say no, but Cheney was. And he was the man behind the curtain, not the guy in front.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)and/or the Democratic Party. On this we clearly disagree, which is fine by me.
As I said, time will tell. 
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)You said evil people shouldn't be encouraged to run for office. I think treating bullies like Chris Christie as "mainstream" candidates while being outraged about Trump is exactly what's wrong with this country. What makes the other clowns "acceptable"? Because they keep quiet about their hateful shit?
Edit: I don't mean to pick on you, but there is an argument that people like Ann Coulter and Trump are Trojan Horses used to make other Republicans look "reasonable" when they are just as scummy and evil.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)It's a subject you are raising, not what we WERE discussing originally; and I don't make a
habit of spending time or energy pondering nuances about the asshats on the GOP side of the election,
as a matter of principle. Well, at least not until the GE.
Not my circus, not my monkey.
What I will say, is that I don't doubt the "Trojan Horse" theory has some merit; and leave it at that.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I'm sorry for interjecting nuance on an internet discussion board. I should know better.
Part of me wonders if that's why people can feel so comfortable saying "If my primary candidate doesn't win, I'll stay home". They actively don't know a thing about the other guys unless it is thrown in their face.
So in the spirit, Trump VERY VERY BAD, Jeb! MEH
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)please stop making outright lies about "Sanders supporters ... blah blah" It's
very unseemly and doesn't contribute ANY thing to the conversation.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)They were never marginalized. They've just been looking for a place to congregate after the Tea Party was finally exposed as the corporate backed sham it was.
The pushback against gay marriage/rights and abortion rights is going on right now in the halls of state house everywhere. They are silent because they are running local government. You're crazy if you think they conceded one goddamn thing.
Trump's emergence reminds everyone the GOP is fucking nuts, lest anyone think they are "marginalized". I would rather the standard bearer be a full blown nut as opposed to that snake Rubio.
And he will not win. This is one party that thinks he's great. A party we knew was overrun with bigots. His unfavorables in a general election will kill him because he is a heel celebrity.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)"...have been emboldened" to drop their facades. Yes, we know they are out there and supporting the republican't party, but there is a level of ramping up of the bigotry and hate and racism...shit...you name the negativity, since tRump started opening his pie hole.
No need to call me "naive". I've been following politics and society since I was 5yo, or 46 years now.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)But there has been no blackout on racist, bigoted and anti-humanist behavior in recent years. And I'd much rather have it out in the open than cloaked in a "mainstream candidate" like Rubio.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,877 posts)because the bigots have always been here - they just didn't have anyone with a big mouth to validate their bigotry in public. It really started with Sarah Palin; tRump has just made it official.
tblue37
(65,490 posts)perhaps just as important, has raised his own national profile so that he will have greater influence over that coversation as a senator, joining Elizabeth Bishop in exposing the oligarchs and their crimes as well as the real nature of American "exceptionalism"--i.e., that we are the only advanced nation that doesn't provide for its people.
Anthony Weiner and Alan Grayson used to be effective speakers on the left, but both let their own idiocy render them useless as spokespersons for the 99%. But Warren and Sanders will not become ridiculous.
pampango
(24,692 posts)We can only hope that the educating that Bernie and Elizabeth do will outweigh the fear and hate that Donald and his buddies throw around.
pampango
(24,692 posts)None of them ever seemed to be a serious threat to be chosen as an official nominee so their impact of their racism and intolerance was limited.
The same cannot be said for Trump. Though he may eventually flame out, the longer he spreads his racial, ethnic, religious and nationalistic hate as the 'leader' of his party, the worse it is for our country in the long run.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)He manages to give off the vibe he's a "nice guy" and perfectly reasonable until you realize how batshit insane he is.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"has erased all the social gains that have been made for the better..."
"It will take decades to get it all back..."
Is there any objective or supporting evidence to validate your allegations?
ChisolmTrailDem
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treestar
(82,383 posts)he'll never win and even if he could he cannot take back any of the gains. The SCOTUS ruled on gay marriage and that can't be changed by a Congress/President. Same with Roe v. Wade.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)His main focus seems to be immigration, as opposed to talking about abortion and gay rights.
I get the feeling he doesn't go there because he'd lose his audience or lose the Manhattan West Side crowd he hob knobs with.
treestar
(82,383 posts)religious fundies if he said was he really thought on those issues, as it is likely he is not a rabid fundie. That'll be Cruz's base.
JI7
(89,276 posts)Only reason they kept a bit quiet was they felt certain people were being kept in their place.
Trump is exploiting what had already existed in this country.
You are thinking back to a time that never was.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...the hate in this country, nor emboldening haters?
JI7
(89,276 posts)and going back to a better time.
LittleBlue
(10,362 posts)Look at what happened to Israel after waves of terror. The left vanished. The right took absolute power because people were afraid. They thought the left couldn't protect them.
We need to do something about the shit Trump is using to attract followers NOW! Obama has not covered himself in glory on this. Neither did Hillary. We're going to be painted once again as the party that appeases terrorists. And it will work unless we act swiftly and decisively.
CrispyQ
(36,533 posts)The media ate it up & put it on the front page & gave the bigots an amplified voice, all for ratings. Now, here we are with Trump, even more over the top than Palin, & again the media giving him huge amounts of airtime.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)...the boldness of the haters than has resulted from the election of Barack Obama as President in 2008. I remembering hoping at that time that we were indeed in a post-racial paradigm, a time where racism had peaked and was now on the decline. I knew there would be some loud haters as a result of 2008 and I was not really surprised. Then Obama was re-elected and those feelings were reinforced. But tRump seems to have taken it to another plane, to the point they're willing to say it right to network tv news cameras while waiting to get in to see him spew his bile.
Matrosov
(1,098 posts)They were never shamed. People who hate minorities, women, gays, and so forth, have no shame in the first place.
I do agree that they are now feeling more emboldened than ever, but I'd actually argue that this is a good thing. At least now their hate has risen to the surface and is plain to see, and knowing who they are and fighting them head on is easier than if their hatefulness was more covert.
ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Are fundamentalist muslims included in that description?
Let's get real. I personally am acquainted with several muslim women who dress western and are not all that religious, and I think they are lovely. It's the extremist muslim men who are a big problem.
Springslips
(533 posts)All of the social gains have been errased because Trump ran for President and is a big mouth d-bag? Really? All of them...gone? Gay marriage overturned, woman bared from the vote, Social Security cancealed, jim crow reinstated, ect, ect, ect.
This is just goofy.
