I am so sick of anti-choice bullshit.

[Kath1]

Every time I turn around or look at the news another state has a restriction for contraception or abortion. I thought Roe v. Wade was the law of the country.

Am I wrong? WTF am I missing here?

Every woman in this country should access to contraception and abortion.

[cantbeserious]

1. Yes - All Woman Should - However - The Oligarchs, Corporations And Banks Need The Next

Generation of poor proles to work in American sweatshop jobs.

No better way to grow one's workforce than denying contraception to women.

[Kath1]

3. Excellent point.

You are right on.

[bettyellen]

11. Spare us the Sanders commercial. He has asked voters to "set aside" their concerns about abortion.

Embarrassing.

[MH1]

17. ???

Sure that one is a Sanders partisan but not sure how you got "Sanders commercial" from his statement.

Do you have a link to Sanders' "set aside" comment? I think I have heard that but would like to remind myself.

I am definitely not willing to "set aside" either women's rights or other important issues.

[bettyellen]

18. that oligarch shit has nothing to do with women's reproductive rights and I'm fed up

with people who never advocate for women's reproductive rights telling me that *everyone* earning more money is some sort of magic that will restore our autonomy. The truth is, they see us as an annoying "wedge issue" that should be swept under the rug. Sanders has said as much himself, first addressing a group of fire fighters, and then later with Christina students. Why he needed to go there with firefighters is beyond me. Cannot find that link here, but here is the one from the last time he asked people to look past the fight for women's rights.



http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2015/sep/14/bernie-sanders-christian-university-inequality-video

[MH1]

24. Ah, got you. Thanks for the info and link. nt.

[still_one]

26. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[KamaAina]

36. That was at Liberty University.

What would Hillary say at Liberty University, if she had the guts to go there in the first place?

[bettyellen]

39. Hillary is a much stronger supporter of women's reproductive rights...

And I don't think it takes guts to pander to RW nut jobs.

[Jim Beard]

30. He really said that?

[bettyellen]

35. At least twice. Once to a group of Firemen (I guess he thought they were anti- choice(

And once to that college - link above.
Its disturbing.

[yeoman6987]

2. The ruling let states decide how to interpret R vs W

So since Democratic Party runs about 19 states, you will see differences in the other 31 states. That's why we really are not winning anything except the presidency.

[Kath1]

4. Thank you.

That is sad.

[TheBlackAdder]

5. I posted this at another OP, about the conservative mental splitting that is going on.

I guess Texas doesn't care what it costs. Two forced births cost taxpayers $720,000.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1038&pid=2958



This is a perplexing dichotomy, where you have people aligning with the New Conservative movement, clashing with their Libertarian core values, and those Libertarian values will rise again, once the damage is done to their state.

Those who can afford birth control and abortions will get them, while those of limited means might get pregnant and be forced to bring that pregnancy to term.

===

With the average cost to the state's taxpayers, anywhere between $17,500 - $18,500 per year, to educate them through their school years, and the addition costs to provide for daycare services, WIC, SNAP, medicare, school lunches, housing, food stamps, etc.. that many of these deliveries incur. Texas will be on the verge of an economic collapse in the next 20 years.

The approximated costs of a child is abound $18,000 per year, until they reach emancipation.

That results in that $360,000 amount per child. A few years ago, Perry cut back on abortion a few years back, which resulted in 7K more births, or $124 Million a year for Texas taxpayers for 18 years. He immediately reversed that after just one year.

===

Imagine if there are even more births each year, and that continues for 18 years, by the time the 18th year passes, and all grades have extra and un-projected additional children in them, Texas taxpayers will be on the hook for another $3 Billion in state and local taxes. (And that is each and every year!)

At some point, the Libertarian strain of their beings will overpower their zealotry--but that might be well after the fiscal damage is done.

===

It seems like progressives are not using Libertarian positions against the GOP's fiscal responsibility. I don't know if that because they don't want to seem callous about abortion, placing a price on a 'life' that even the bible states is not a person until delivered and taking of first breath.



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[Kath1]

6. Thank you.

I had access to contraception and i am thankful for that.

My daughter, with her job and my support, will ALWAYS have access for contraception or abortion.

It is so unfair that poor women won't. This needs to change.

[Iliyah]

7. Its more to do with religious beliefs than anything else

and women in their eyes truly are subject to lesser rights and decisions than their male counter-part.

Contraception and abortion has an ominous meaning to them. They believe in "Be fruitful and multiply" or else. Which level has become an extreme hatred for anyone who is pro-choice.

[loyalsister]

13. I think it has a lot to do with punishment and redemption, too

Punishment for premarital sex, being a good seed propogator, and she is rewarded with the joy of motherhood.

[Omaha Steve]

8. I agree 100%

K&R!

OS

[Skittles]

9. imagine the outrage if they treated guns the same way

conservatives make me SICK

[Kath1]

14. Same here.

They repulse me.

[NutmegYankee]

19. They actually have the same legal status.

Both are decided as rights, but with restrictions allowed. The key aspect in such a scenario is political will to protect the right. We have done a shitty job on access to abortion.

[Skittles]

33. helps to be batshit insane

[NutmegYankee]

34. Religion.

Even when the book of your faith says nothing on the topic. If anything Exodus 21:22 demonstrates that the fetus doesn't have the same legal status as the mother.

"22“If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely(e) but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise."

e 22 Or she has a miscarriage

[Eleanors38]

41. Take another look at Nutmeg's statement...

The Party is edging away from any meaningful opposition to wrecking Roe v Wade.

They would rather mumble something about gun-control and pretend they aren't getting their teeth knocked down their throats bynthat issue -- often by the same folks who are targeting womens rights.

Any consultant for the GOPers should return their six-figure fees: the job is getting done for them for free.

[leftyladyfrommo]

10. It's going to get worse.

We are losing ground at an astonishing pace.

[Kath1]

15. Yes.

It seems like we are.

Contraception stops unwanted pregnancy and abortion stops unwanted birth.

Both are legal.

[MeNMyVolt]

23. Not if I can help it. n/t

[dembotoz]

12. shout the bastards down

fuck manners
fuck planning nice


present them with coat hangers

[Kath1]

16. Agree 100%

Fuck manners and "nice" when women's lives are at stake.

[kiva]

20. After Roe v Wade,

we saw a huge shift in social opinion about "unwed mothers" - the most polite term that was used then. Many churches began welcoming single parents, high schools stopped kicking out expectant mothers, people started saying that they were the good girls because they didn't have abortions.

I believe that if abortion becomes illegal, the pendulum will swing back and unmarried women who get pregnant will again be targets of abuse and criticized as immoral.

[Kath1]

21. Any woman who wants an abortion should have access.

Social opinion is pro-choice.

Thanks, kiva.

[kiva]

22. Second that statement.

Women who cannot control contraception do not have freedom.

[Kath1]

29. It is no one's business but the woman and her health care provider.

Birth control pills are great. I loved them. IUDs, uncomfortable but yes. Condoms? not a big fan but been there.

There is no reason, outside of some religious dogma, that women do not have unrestricted access to contraption and abortion.

At 57, I'll never need it. But my daughter might need it!

[still_one]

28. I remember that, and you are right

[Jim Beard]

31. I would call that "forced Religion"

[smirkymonkey]

25. K&R

[still_one]

27. and anyone who values the right of a woman to choose, and believes it is an important issue

will vote for the Democratic nominee in the general election, because yes, the Supreme Court does matter, and all one needs to do is look at the justices appointed by Democrats verses the ones appointed by republicans

[ismnotwasm]

32. K&R

[joeybee12]

37. My suggestion for a bumper sticker, If you're not pro-choice,

then you can't be pro-life.

We need to take away the pro-life label from the anti-choice tools.

[one_voice]

38. yep. and this is..

just one of the reasons we cannot let a republican near the White House.

K&R

[Eleanors38]

40. Gains have to be defended. The FR is an implaccable foe with boundless energy...

But their biggest advantage is:

No Opposition.

Look at our own Party and its actions and statements from its various "leaders." Oh, you might get a press release, or a transcript from an address, but a womans right to choose ain't on the front burner. Not by a long shot.














But you hear a lotta huff-duff about gun control.

[kairos12]

42. Anti-choice crazies are the true threat to a civil society.