Manny? If you're reading this... c'mere.

[sibelian]

We'll miss you. You did well.

Some personalities are a little larger than life. So...

THIS is for you:

Thanks for posting here, buddy and...





(Anybody else fancy leaving a little Christmas present for Manny?)

Sibelian

xxx

[leftstreet]

1. DURec

I thought candidate loyalty wasn't til AFTER the primaries??

[840high]

10. I thought so, too.

[merrily]

58. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7460675

[merrily]

55. +1

[artislife]

2. It took me awhile to get your humor

when I first joined...but thanks for the great posts and where else can we see you? Reddit?

[Cassiopeia]

15. He made a site some time ago, but hasn't been active of late.

Hopefully we will see a rebirth.

http://mannygoldstein.net/

[tomm2thumbs]

50. results of jury

On Sat Dec 19, 2015, 08:56 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

He made a site some time ago, but hasn't been active of late.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7460740

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Encouraging other DUers to go to the site of a person who has been banned directly by the board owner for TOS violations.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:04 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No comment needed... alerter needs to re-evaluate their priorities
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Let people decide for themselves.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: What??? WTF is wrong with you for alerting this? Geez, the banning isn't enough for you? I'm just hearing about the ban now as I got on this jury immediately after coming to the site. But this alert is just plain stupid.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh Lord. Grow up.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter needs to get a life, muy pronto.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't see the problem; the post is not suggesting that anyone quit DU.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[cui bono]

51. What a ridiculous alert. I served on that jury as well.

Good they have an alert time out. What an idiot.

.

[arcane1]

52. I've seen more cowardly alerts like this in the past 24 hours than I've ever seen.

[Skittles]

118. they're very, VERY stupid people

oh yes

[arcane1]

120. Yes INDEED! n/t

[Warren DeMontague]

129. That person lost their button privileges for the next 24, though.

7-0. The alert has to be really bad to win one of those prizes.

[ProfessorGAC]

130. I've Been On Lots Of Juries. . .

. . .lately for these types of things. There was one out of about the last 15 that i actually had to think about. The others were frivolous, overly sensitive, or willfully provocative alerts.

It's one reason i think the jury system works. Most of us can just overrule the silliness.

[sibelian]

54. "Encouraging other DUers to go to the site of a person...

...who has been banned directly by the board owner for TOS violations."

Well. Hm.

So, why would it matter that other DUers went to a different site that was owned by someone who was banned here? And, how did the post alerted on actually encourage anything?

That's really something, now.

We're getting a leeeettle confused in some quarters, methinks.

[Cassiopeia]

56. Wow, Thank you for the results.

Manny had many friends here. It only seemed reasonable to offer some of them an opportunity to still converse with him.

Hell, DU has a whole list of sites on the left of the main page.

[WIProgressive88]

74. B-b-but only Bernie supporters engage in abuse of the alert system to silence those with whom they

disagree! A Hillary supporter would never do such things!

[ScreamingMeemie]

94. As one who doesn't participate in the mess that is this issue, it's 50/50 on the dumb alerts.

I sign each and every jury vote "Cut it out"

[BeanMusical]

100. Oh FFS, that's pathetic.

[Skittles]

117. WTF kind of piece of SHIT alert is that?

seriously:

[Warren DeMontague]

128. "Of course that's a rule! I made it up myself!!!!"

[merrily]

59. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7460675

[Cassiopeia]

61. Yep

Thanks

[merrily]

60. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7460675

[Rex]

3. Red team lost a real leader.

[sibelian]

65. If Red Team's not careful, they'll sanitise themselves into irrelevance.

Not so very many people identify as Democrats in the US. There are far more independents.

[Chan790]

6. No, it's not. n/t

[Indydem]

8. This. +1000

[Trajan]

32. Thanks for this ...

Gone

[monmouth4]

11. What a disgusting and narrow minded remark..Ugh..nt

[MADem]

28. Some people come here to support Democrats for public office.

Manny did not appear to have that as a goal.

I think the remark was right on point.

There's always DISCUSSIONIST--he can have a field day there.

[Ned_Devine]

12. What a totally ignorant comment.

[Fearless]

13. Grave dancing my dear?

[artislife]

16. Nice. Why don't you dance on it as well?nt

[zeemike]

22. Yes if DU is all about you.

[Trajan]

30. This is you

Finally getting what you deserve, after all those right leaning posts over the years ...

You've finally made the big time ...

Gone ...

[itsrobert]

34. Don't have any idea what you are talking about

What right leaning post?

[Cha]

98. Sorry you got a Bogus hide, itsrobert. manny broke the rules advocating others to not vote

for the Dem nominee.

This is our Planet I don't want any damn repubs in the White House.

If he didn't think he was so special that rules weren't for him.. he'd still be here.

[dlwickham]

101. +1

[backscatter712]

5. Amen. Manny's snark got edgy, but he was a good guy.

I already told the gravedancers what I really think of them in the other thread, so I'm not going to risk yet another hidden post.

[avaistheone1]

38. Edgy makes us think.

I think it is a good thing.

[backscatter712]

39. Indeed! n/t

[sibelian]

63. He knew what he was doing.

Satirists can sometimes be difficult to like but I've always liked him.

[Yuugal]

7. 7

[ejbr]

9. Are we sure

Manny Goldstein celebrates Christmas? I'm not sayin', I'm just sayin'.

[awoke_in_2003]

17. That probably isn't his real name

It is a play on the name Emmanuel Goldstein from the book 1984.

[ejbr]

19. Ahhh

[Dragonfli]

23. That is not his real name, but he is of proud Jewish descent.

I am sure he appreciates the sentiment nonetheless, it is a holiday season for pretty much everyone after all.
As a Witch I call it Yule and it occurs for me during the solstice. Each have their own name and timing, but it is a holiday for nearly all people on the planet.

[awoke_in_2003]

25. Yes, I had forgotten that

And I agree- he probably does appreciate the sentiment

[ejbr]

77. Well I sure appreciate him n/t

[snooper2]

135. can you fly?

[Dragonfli]

136. Depends on the quality and quantity of the ... err. fuel.

[sibelian]

69. Well *I'm* wishing him a Merry Christmas!

Not much of a christmas present getting booted off a site you've contributed so much to.

[eppur_se_muova]

121. Saw the most versatile holiday card the other day -- it just said "HAPPY EVERYTHING". nt

[Fumesucker]

14. Erasmus thought that in the country of the blind the one eyed man is king

Erasmus was a flaming optimist, in the country of the blind a one eyed man is thought a lunatic.

[awoke_in_2003]

18. Sadly true. nt

[merrily]

64. This hit me between the eyes so hard my face hurts.

[BeanMusical]

104. +1000

[a la izquierda]

20. It took me a long time to figure him out...

but I really appreciated his humor.

[awoke_in_2003]

21. Did he get a time out or a tombstone? nt

[marble falls]

26. These things are usually permenent.

[awoke_in_2003]

27. I found out after I made my query

I was hoping it was a jury time out, but should have known better.

[haikugal]

57. Tombstone....

With much ghoulish grave dancing by the usual suspects.

[awoke_in_2003]

79. I nuked more than my share when I was a moderator

Except for a few heinous examples, I never understood the joy some people get from these things.

[marble falls]

24. I think DU is less rich place without Manny.

[dhill926]

29. I agree....

and I rarely agreed with him. This is supposed to be a discussion site for chrissakes...

[pnwmom]

43. But it's not supposed to be a place where people ask others to pledge

to vote for someone in the general other than the Democratic nominee.

Skinner has been very clear about that, and Manny knew what he was doing.

[merrily]

68. Manny didn't ask anyone to pledge to vote for someone else in the general.

[Fumesucker]

35. Clear out the BernieBros and this place will be a ghost town with a condescending echo

Manny has probably generated as much cash for the admins as any DUer. I've been questioning why I waste so much time here, this sort of thing isn't helping. If I wanted this kind of shit I could go to Facebook.

[marble falls]

36. Something seems at play here. I don't see how banning Manny helps anyone...

but there is one person here who seem almost unable to contain his glee.

[sibelian]

103. It doesn't, really.

But some people won't understand that.

[pnwmom]

44. BernieBros are welcome as long as they're not pledging and asking others to pledge

not to vote for the Democratic nominee unless it's Bernie.

[Fumesucker]

66. You don't have to worry about me, I was making a quiet exit when Bernie announced

Not much to keep me here any more, DU was mainly entertainment anyway. If it becomes not amusing I have technical forums I maintain a good presence on and my experience and expertise already count for far more there than anything I might write here.

DU more than anything to me was about the personalities and the ones I appreciated most are dying (see my sig), leaving or being forced out. I've been a religious heretic all of my adult life being a political one is no big deal.

[pscot]

93. This place is about as entertaining

as a Presbyterian Synod. .

[Fumesucker]

95. I can get two chuckles and a belly laugh out of just the titles in GD-P

DU at one time was very welcoming to liberals, for someone living in a Dubya worshiping area it was a godsend at the time.

[merrily]

127. That's probably the principal reason I stopped attending Presbyterian Synods.

[marble falls]

133. Could have been .... worse(?), coulda been a Lutheran Synod...

convocation. Great titles and a great place to get a nap. The trick was to put your elbows on your knees and your forehead on your clasped hands. Makes you look more in the spirit than in a snooze.

There's a reason Lutherans have coffee urns everywhere!

[merrily]

134. I kid. As the winking smilie suggests, I've never been to any kind of Synod.

However, I have noticed that wherever religious folk (other than Mormons) gather, outside of actual services, the coffee tends to flow like water

[merrily]

70. He didn't pledge or ask anyone else to pledge. Stop it.

[merrily]

132. In many ways, or should I say manny ways.

Yes, the place will be less enjoyable, less intelligent, etc., but I've also seen a lot of posters post they will not be contributing.

[libodem]

31. Well fuck me runnin'

I hate to hear this. Dammit.

Happy holidays, holy days, solstice, whatever you celebrate, Goddess be with you, my man.

[yuiyoshida]

33. Those fire works were in Japan

I heard a few of the voices speaking Japanese, especially one said "daijoubu" which means,"I am okay!!"...cool video. Thanks for Posting, and... Happy Holidays to where ever you are Manny!

[RiverLover]

37. Gonna Miss You, Manny!!!

[chervilant]

40. What the hell happened?

No more Third-Way Manny?!?

If you are able to do so, tell him there are those of us who GOT him and will MISS him terribly!

Happy Holidays to TWM, wherever he may land.

[dorkzilla]

41. You are a treasure and an original Manny...

[merrily]

71. Oh, my heavens, dork. I love her so much!

[dorkzilla]

73. That’s why we’re meant to be, merrily

We’re two of a kind. the only difference is I’m the one who gets drunk from time to time. hic.

[merrily]

78. Listen, if it's an even numbered year, I'll sip an amaretto over lots of rocks with you.

Yeah, it's a baby drink, but to me the harder stuff all tastes like medicine.

[dorkzilla]

81. Oooh - 2016 coming up!

You’re on, baby!

OMG I can’t imagine us being drunk together--THAT shit has to be filmed.

[merrily]

83. No pictures! Ever!

[dorkzilla]

84. LOL - SMILE YOU’RE ON CANDID CAMERA!

I can be covert as the CIA.

[merrily]

85. Pffft. You ain't seen covert until you've seen me.

So glad you're posting!

[dorkzilla]

87. For now...

I got called out of my little hole and I’m going back in after tonight...but I’m sure I’ll be seeing you at the bar.

[merrily]

89. At some point, yes.

[eggplant]

42. So I'm assuming that once Bernie wins the nomination...

...that Skinner will welcome back with open arms those people who said they would vote for Bernie in the general?

After all, fair's fair.

[floriduck]

45. From one Manny to the real deal,

I salute Mr. Goldstein!

[navarth]

46. Manny was among the very best of DU

To say I will miss his posts is an understatement.

I have never alerted on ANYBODY but this changes things. First Lo0nix and now Manny.

I will alert on every single HRC supporter that says they won't vote for Bernie when he's the nominee.

[Amimnoch]

49. I haven't seen very many of those.. actualy any that I can think of right offhand.

But if you do, then by all means.

I'm anti-Bernie, I think he's a false democrat. He's disingenuous at best, an outright liar at worse (can now add thief to that list). He's making promises that there isn't even a potential 2016 115th congress that will even come close to supporting his policies. He will either be the Veto king, and the most ineffectual president in history, or he will learn to compromise and tick off his devoted.

All that said, if he does take the nomination.. I'll vote for him.. my money and phone banking and canvassing time will go to more deserving Senators in battleground campaigns, but he will get my vote on election day. Anyone who says otherwise doesn't get what Hillary is all about. After all she is the one who will support her party and her constituency even when she doesn't fully agree with it (not just heckle from the sidelines).

[haikugal]

67. Um...

i.e.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490

here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490#post41

and here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490#post28

and here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490#post60

and here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490#post117

and here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490#post64

and here http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490#post83

and here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251878490#post97

Don't feel so smug.

[Amimnoch]

75. First you picked a bunch of threads by one person.

And the one person you decide to highlight is a person who may support the same candidate as me, but who's expressed views that I've openly disagreed with.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=869133

is one example.

If you look harder, there's probably others. Supporting a candidate does not = supporting everything that candidates supporters say on an online chat forum. I can cite examples where I've broken ranks. Are you able to as well?

[navarth]

76. Bernie isn't the false Democrat here.

And I will waste no time on you.

[Amimnoch]

82. Sounds good, thanks for posting!

[navarth]

86. You betcha!

[RedCappedBandit]

123. I've seen plenty and they haven't/won't be banned

[rurallib]

47. Thank you Manny for the humor

This place is really changing.

[Paka]

48. Sad day!

I'm one of the many who always enjoyed his post, whether direct of third way. You will be missed.

[Old Codger]

53. Damn

Hope your holiday is great one... your threads will be sorely missed....

[SoapBox]

62. Adding my thought too...

Missing you already.

[SammyWinstonJack]

72. Happy Holidays

[JackInGreen]

80. *pitches a salute from the tarmac

[link:http://imgur.com/85d9geR|]


Happy holidays to our wonderful shit-stirrir. Don't let the man getcha Manny, we salute you.

[ljm2002]

88. You'll be missed, Manny...

...you added a lot of spice to this place.

Apparently our Dear Leaders, er, admins, don't tolerate heat as well as they used to. Or so it seems to this old timer.

[denbot]

90. Manny, every forth post or so of yours, made me swallow my tongue in rage..

Many more made me want to swallow it. Only one in ten did I fully agree with, but sir, every fucking single one MADE me think.
Thank you.

[Skittles]

91. same sentiment I have for Will Pitt's detractors

YOU CAN ALL FUCK YOURSELVES

DU is losing good people because of absolute ASSHOLES

[sibelian]

97. We need a Skittles cloning machine...

Far too much ass to kick, now...

[Skittles]

107. I am SOOOO fed up with these alerting cowards

I mean seriously, WTF is *WRONG* with them and I say this as someone who is not a rabid Bernie OR Hillary fan

[sibelian]

110. Well, the answer is incredibly simple, I think...

[Skittles]

111. jeez, and I thought gun humpers were bad

[DirkGently]

114. Jury results:

On Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:44 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

same sentiment I have for Will Pitt's detractors
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7461567

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"YOU CAN ALL FUCK YOURSELVES"

Pretty much the definition of over the top.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Dec 19, 2015, 09:54 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Does the alerter identify with being called an asshole?
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Seems reasonable in context
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: "Fuck" is a pretty common word on the DU.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The underlying message is a valid one, but poster needs to exercise more self-discipline in how he posts such ideas. Reluctantly voting to hide.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Skittles]

115. LOL

yet another example

PEOPLE, GET A GRIP ALREADY

[Oilwellian]

137. Skittles, I've decided if...

Bernie doesn't win the nod, my days at DU will be over as well. I suspect it will be that way for many. Losing Manny, Loonix, WillPitt, NYC SKP, etc., made me realize I no longer enjoy DU. It's nothing like it was in the beginning.

[U4ikLefty]

96. We'll miss you Manny.

Your OPs were da bomb!

[ronnykmarshall]

99. He got banned?

Oh.

[DonCoquixote]

102. just remember kids

The ghoulishness and grave dancing some Hillary supporters show will be redone to us come 2017. They will gladly demonize everyone to the left of Imperatix Hillaria, especially as more is shoveled out to wall street and to the MIC.

But there will be a point where the masters realize "hey we do not need these Hillary people either" and they will be thrown out with us in the cold. When we see them in the snow, do not let them try to take over what space we have left, that was our mistake when many former GOP stuck into the "big tent" and tried to kick us out. If they want to participate in OUR attempts to take back OUR party and OUR nation, we will tell them "this time, YOU get to be the cannon fodder!"

[Fumesucker]

106. Imperatrix Hillaria certainly has an authoritari.. err.. I mean authoritative ring...

I for one welcome our new Imperial Overlordess.

[DonCoquixote]

113. my full title I gave her was

Imperatrix Hillaria de Nova Pax Americana. >

[BeanMusical]

105. Kick and R

[NCTraveler]

108. .

[Le Taz Hot]

109. I want to know what the hell happened!

I've been preparing the house and food for tonight's debate (still going on -- crowd in my living room). Manny was banned? By one of the Administrators? What the hell. Could someone fill me in please.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

112. It's simple: The only way a certain small cliche here could match wits with Manny...

...is to attempt to drive him out.

[liberal_at_heart]

116. Thank you Manny for standing up for those of us who get bullied by the website rules.

I spend less and less time here because of the rules on this site. I am beginning to ask myself why do I want to be on a website that censors me? Everyday I hear "you can't say that", and I know there are those just waiting for us to say what we really think just so they can get off on getting us banned. When I really think about I, it just seems really sick and twisted. This website just isn't as fun as it used to be. Bye Manny. We will miss you. I think I will get off this site now and go find something better to do. I feel dirty just by visiting the site and feel I now need a shower.

Go Bernie!

[Bonobo]

119. If there was a Manny Underground.

I would never come back here.

[RedCappedBandit]

122. He's posting here:

http://jackpineradicals.org/

[Bonobo]

125. Thank you.nt

[foo_bar]

131. I think they're decapitating the golden goose

for the first time ever we will not break even for the year

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027465031

Not that there's a causal relationship between treating your erstwhile customers like shit and losing money, DU has a proud history of busting rabblerousers on weird technicalities (or just calling them "troll" or unwitting tools of the GOP), but it seems like a bad precedent for mgmt to endorse a primary candidate over the wishes of 90% of the DU-voting inclined population, then banning notable Berners for disloyalty to the anointed one before the convention. (Then when crypto-dems do the same thing, Skinner iirc bleats some rationalization about the "heat of the primary season" and everybody does it.) The AtA post about "no, I didn't really mean *underground* like subversive or a diverse range of opinions" really slipped the mask, I thought Skinner did a really good job with the Prime Directive for the first 14 years (notwithstanding the gay purges and whatnot) at least in primary season, I think the Dean purges were mostly self-inflicted (PeopleForChange!) and the pumas posted weird racist shit so that was an easy call, but DU isn't really DU if it's not, like, underground.

[moondust]

124. Oh Manny.

[grasswire]

126. My present to Manny-- my favorite Louis Armstrong video

ps://