Stupid phasing from the left #467: Free College

[Stinky The Clown]

So called free college wouldn't actually be free. We'd all pay for it, collectively, through our taxes. It would be a socialistic system.

A more proper term when describing it might be Tuition Free College.

Just sayin' . . . .

[TheBlackAdder]

1. Well, without going into a full PoliSci dissertation..

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We are paying for it, already.


Whether it's the loss of productivity, the lowering standards of enlightenment and personal growth, the lack of competitiveness against other countries in a global marketplace, the poorer health the less educated have on a whole, etc.


This is no different that every other system we have, whether the word 'socialism' is used as a negativism. Show me one industry that does not partake in community-based, commonwealth-based initiatives to one degree or another. The funny things is that most of the billionaires tap into these services more than the regular citizens do. Health care, it's socialism to put someone into a health plan, but then as employees or private insurers, we pay over $1,000 in extra costs, higher charges or incidentals in the hospital to cover the uninsured.


While the ploy to use 'socialism' as a negativism might seem worthy, it shows a need for you to take college level PoliSci courses.


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[Stinky The Clown]

4. Uh ......

..... no one is criticizing the nothing of tuition free college. Just the phrase "Free College".

But you go on with your little lecture.

[TheBlackAdder]

6. Free College, Tuition Free College are the same thing, socialism.

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Perhaps you can run that past Frank Lutz, since adding Tuition in front seems to alter your perception.


He could research the two terms, but then he would just come up with the term Berniversity.


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[JHB]

2. Is "smart phasing" a new Star Trek raygun, better than the old "stupid phasing"?

Proofreading is your friend when you're criticizing someone else's faulty impression-making.

[muriel_volestrangler]

3. 'tuition free college' can mean "college where nothing is taught"

As in "I'm getting extra tuition in French", where it doesn't mean "I'm paying extra", but "I get taught more". It's the primary meaning of the word 'tuition'.

[Stinky The Clown]

5. Well played.

Nice obfuscation of the post's essential point.

Your posit may be the root of the word, but in today's common usage, not so much.

[muriel_volestrangler]

7. Your post's essential point tried to be that people should use language precisely

so a criticism of your alternative (ie, saying it is sloppy itself) is very relevant.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=define%3Atuition

Not just the root, it's the first definition returned.

Beyond that, there's nothing in the phrase "tuition free college" that says that the tuition isn't being paid for by someone. If government taxes fund the teaching at a college, that what pays the tuition fee. You have just specified you're talking about the costs of education, as opposed to living costs.

[hunter]

8. Meh. Words is words.

I fucking hate the English Language but there's nothing else equivalent to it in my toolbox.

Too often the language is a fucking prison that many people never escape from.

If someone is arguing about anything "free" I have to measure the words by the person presenting them.

Anyone who goes all Gratis vs. Libre on me, my first assumption is that they are blowing smoke in my face.

Smoking Stinks.