I don't think prison rape is funny. I also think taking the side of this dirty sob who

[jtuck004]

screwed people over on their medications makes one no better than he is. Shkreli.

I didn't say prison rape was funny. I thought it would be ironic after this piece of shit raped so many people over their medicine that it would be educational for him. Not funny at all.

No, I don't think prison rape is funny, though I am looking at a nation that know it happens in every one of the prisons but is too spineless or cruel to do anything about it.

The cowards on the outside are the really bad joke.

[snooper2]

1. This is a weird OP

[951-Riverside]

2. I don't think prison rape is funny either, but...

Its a sad reality and it happens regardless if we laugh or not.

[Quantess]

19. Reality check for a few DUers, the notion that

DU doesn't get to influence everybody, nor does DU get to make all the decisions about what happens outside of the DU.

I agree that prison rape should not be encouraged. The harsh reality is that it happens, and what anybody on the DU says doesn't amount to more than a pile of beans. Sadly.

[get the red out]

3. I am just glad the little jerk was arrested

Hopefully he won't be in a position to play with people's lives ever again.

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

4. So prison rape is "ironic", not "funny". Got it. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

5. Prison rape is rape

I'm glad DU as a community has developed a very low tolerance for people who joke about or otherwise give a wink and nod to rape of any kind, even if they hide behind the old "I'm just discussing the reality" gambit. This low tolerance is the result of years of communicative work on these boards, including alerts and post-hides and responses and any number of posts decrying such inhuman posts.

You don't know who is or isn't involved in (prison-based) anti-rape advocacy, but one way everybody can be involved is to stop joking about it or promoting it, even indirectly, every time a reviled person is arrested or sentenced to prison. That's a pathway to acceptability, and all rape is unacceptable.

By the way, there are plenty of ways for YOU to get involved in (prison-based) anti-rape advocacy. You're not helpless in that regard.

[Squinch]

56. ^ This is awesome.

[Ptah]

59. I appreciate and admire your eloquence.

Thank you for saying it so well.

[Blue_Adept]

6. Jury Results

On Thu Dec 17, 2015, 07:59 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

I don't think prison rape is funny. I also think taking the side of this dirty sob who
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027455007

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Nobody deserves to be raped. Getting raped in prison is not "ironic" it is rape.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Dec 17, 2015, 08:06 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post is hurtful, rude, insensitive.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[Ptah]

7. You think rape would be educational for him?

What is wrong with you?

[Logical]

12. Lol, you are making no sense. Nt

[Ptah]

13. I don't view advocating rape as punishment is a morally defensible position.

Perhaps you could expand on that view.

What other crimes would you suggest be punished by rape?

[Bucky]

16. I don't think you're thinking too clearly

and you sound like you are in love with him

You DO understand that, among civilized people, it's possible to strongly disapproved of someone AND not be in love with him AND not want to see him raped, right? For instance, I wouldn't want to see Dick Cheney raped, but I'm still not in love with him.

I think rape is what he is doing to other people and he doesn't have a clue or an interest.

What he is doing is terrible. He's a horrible person. His profit seeking will get a number of people killed. It's still not rape. Using sexualized violence as a metaphorical stand-in for power and powerlessness is one of the sick features of our culture. By playing this little ignorant word game of yours, you are only adding your part to the psychotic socialization of rape in American culture.

You should try to be a voice against that sick sort of thinking instead of playing into it, and if you do that, you will help stop the devaluation of the word "rape"

[jtuck004]

17. Rape has not a fucking thing to do with sex. It is assault, violent assault,

as is killing people by denying them medicine they cannot pay for. I am not wishing it for him, but it is ironic that he may well be facing the same thing. And I think that may be educational for him.

I am thinking quite clearly. People who suggest that rape has anything to do with sex are clearly confused. Maybe if people really want to make the world a better place they should quit pretending that rape has anything to do with sex.

Pretending otherwise devalues the word rape as well as its victims.

I think your problem is altitude - perhaps you can't see it from up there in the saddle...on the high horse of Self-Righteousness



You take care.

[Matariki]

31. Dude, you are flat out wrong. You should self delete this stupid OP

The post you got hidden was disgusting. You are advocating rape as punishment. That's fucking disgusting and you should be ashamed. Hiding behind "irony" isn't cutting it. Save yourself some embarrassment and delete this OP.

[jtuck004]

32. Not advocating. Those are your words. I just recognized the irony.

You can think what you want - nothing I can do about your self-righteousness, nor would I care to.

[Matariki]

34. Great idea, double down on the embarrassing statements

I saw your post that was hidden. Call it what you want, it was fucked up.

[liberalhistorian]

55. You "don't wish it on him", but

you think it would be "educational" for him? Really? You do realize that that is a form of "wishing" it on him and that your whole OP is a roundabout way of saying so, especially since you don't condemn the very idea? Saying that any form of rape would be "educational" for anyone is a form of wishing it on them.

Look, I hate the SOB, too. He is a horrible human being who has likely caused a lot of suffering and death with his profit-seeking gauging of the seriously ill and desperate, and whose company may, unfortunately, continue to do so. And I am thrilled beyond words to see him being arrested and hauled off by the feds for securities fraud charges. HOWEVER, I DO NOT and WOULD NEVER wish any form of rape on anyone, including prisoners. I realize many of my fellow citizens don't give a shit about prison rape and may even be cheering it on, but that doesn't mean that we have to join in on it here.

[LanternWaste]

8. I don't think your statement fits the definition of irony.

I don't think "there will be a bidding war among prisoners over who gets him" fits the definition of irony.

"a technique of indicating, as through character or plot development, an intention or attitude opposite to that which is actually or ostensibly stated." Go on... pull the other one, will ya?

"The cowards on the outside are the really bad joke..." As are those who rationalize vulgarity as simple irony so as to avoid the consequences of their own sentiments.

[Human101948]

10. Richard Pryor's take on penitentiary

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[jtuck004]

11. He is one of my heroes. Thank you for that. n/t

[LeftyMom]

14. No, rape isn't "educational." It's not "ironic."

However heinous what he did was, it wasn't rape and it shouldn't be metaphorically compared to rape because that leads to rape-as-retribution fantasies like yours. Explaining to you the obvious fact that nobody deserves rape isn't "defending" that douchecanoe. It's pointing out that rape is universally wrong, and wishing rape on anybody means you fail at basic human decency.

Your post was ignorant and malicious and it was properly hidden. Instead of learning from that you doubled down. Good job.

[Orsino]

15. Knowing you were serious doesn't help, somehow. n/t

[jtuck004]

18. I live for your admiration. n/t

[aidbo]

20. I'm cynical enough to believe that this guy will never see..

..the inside of a prison where he is in danger of being raped.

If he is convicted, he may be incarcerated, but I doubt he'll be thrown in with the "general population".

[jtuck004]

21. I agree with you - but there are a lot of ways of being assaulted. Rape is just one.

If he is convicted I am sure he will have lots of opportunity to discover how his victims felt.

[maxsolomon]

22. Rape is not part of any prison sentence

Neither is assault.

If you'd like it to be, then I'm sure you could find a Republican who'd introduce a bill to make it mandatory.

[jtuck004]

23. Except for you, everyone else knows it is. And the hypocrites in this country, in addition

to locking up black folk for the same behaviors that allow white folks to go free, are doing little to nothing to improve it.'snot

It'snot part of the sentence, but it goes with it.

I strongly suspect the reason has a lot to do with viewpoints like yours.

[maxsolomon]

24. Its not formally part of the sentence.

If it's informal, then that should be stopped. As well as joking about it, frankly.

I also know people who have been to prison (on drug charges) and were not raped. So it seems as if it's possible.

But sure, blame "people like me" for the Prison Rape epidemic.

[H2O Man]

25. Agree & respectfully disagree.

It is all too frequent part of a person's experience in the vast majority of prisons. But, even if found guilty, and incarcerated, this fellow will serve time in an institution where it is extremely uncommon.

There are prisons for the 99%, and prisons for the 1%. They are very different.

[jtuck004]

27. That may be true, and certainly for higher profile folks. But as part of my work over

the years I have had occasion to go into the businesses and homes of very wealthy people, as well as people at my economic level, and it struck me that the very same things happen.

Perhaps, however, between the myths about the 1% and the myths we create about them - wanting them to be what we want to strive for - it may be that we are fooling ourselves, about how different things really are.

[H2O Man]

43. Interesting!

I have friends and associates who are wealthy by any economic standard, and who are porr by those same standards. And, having spent time in their homes, I certain do agree that there are human-family dynamics that are very similar in all of them. Indeed, that would make for an interesting, even important discussion here on DU:GD …..examining the similarities and the very real differences. But that is a rather distinct topic from that of the OP/thread, as we have been focusing on the criminal justice system, and the experiences people have in the various institutions that house incarcerated human beings.

Briefly, for sake of discussion, I will list some of my personal experiences, which in large part result in my point of view. Most of my employment history, as an adult, was in social work. I was a psychiatric social worker, primarily involved in forensics. Thus, even on a “local” level, I became very familiar in the differences in the manner the “system” treated individuals who came from poor, middle class, and rich homes. That included knowing who was likely to be sentenced to either county or state prison, versus who was likely to get a stern lecture, a slap on the wrist, and/or a wink and a nod.

My employment provided me the opportunity to be a “witness” in well over one hundred court cases, from village/town court, to county court, to state supreme court. (I also have a significant history of being in civil courts, as well …..including by way of employment. But that, like people’s households, is a very different topic.) More, my employment frequently brought me inside the various institutions that housed human beings, and that was not limited to the “psychiatric wing” of state institutions. I ran groups for inmates on everything from conflict resolution, to basic survival skills; as well as providing individual services.

More, before his recent passing, I had a 40+ year, close friendship with Dr. Rubin “Hurricane” Carter. I served as part of his (non-lawyer) defense team while he was incarcerated, and had the extreme pleasure of working with him on “jail reform” and related justice issues when he was a free man. This provided a quality of education that I dare say is rarely, if ever, available in a classroom. It remains some of the most important of my sum-total educational experiences in this lifetime.

Admittedly, the majority of my knowledge regarding the type of federal institution that the gentleman who is the topic of this OP/thread may potentially be sentenced to, comes from classrooms and books. I do value those as important resources for gaining knowledge. More, I have had a handful of friends and associates who have, for a variety of reasons, served time in a federal pen. This includes a guy who some associates asked me to assist informally -- I am old and retired -- who is dealing with the tragic death of his only son, while he was incarcerated on federal charges. He certainly did not serve “easy time,” and very few federal prisons can realistically be confused with “country clubs.” While “rape” is not an issue in these, issues such as racism and other physical violence certainly is.

Still, for a very elite group of citizens, there are “country club”-like settings. As but one example, if we look at where the “good old boys” -- such as former Attorney General John Mitchell, and other Watergate criminals -- served time, it was without question distinct from what other classes of people would experience, including if they were non-criminal, and were being rewarded for being outstanding citizens. Or, take John Dean, who was sentenced to federal prison, but literally “served” his full sentence in motel suites.

Interesting topic.

[Matariki]

26. You say "ironic" but seem to mean "justice"

Rape isn't funny and it certainly isn't justice. Why bring this up?

[pinboy3niner]

28. Reference:

Hidden reply in LBN thread...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141290513#post2

[Matariki]

29. Jeezus, what a disgusting post. Glad it was hidden.

"Ironic"

[H2O Man]

44. Wow!

That was fucking disgusting.

[Squinch]

58. OMG. What a pig.

[muriel_volestrangler]

30. Because they are pissed off they had a post hidden that advocated the rape of Shkreli

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141290513#post2

And they wanted us to know that wasn't a joke - they think rape can be 'educational' for the victim.

[Quantess]

33. Question: Does my and DU's overwhelming opposition to prison rape

translate to less actual prison rape in reality?

Or is it just a bunch of feel-good, hot-air?

[Matariki]

35. Moving away from the norm being "don't drop the soap, yukyuk"

is probably a good thing

[Quantess]

41. Two wrongs don't make a right is an old, old, saying

from before our grandparents' lifetimes.
Nothing special.

[Matariki]

42. Huh?

I don't think I understand what you're saying. What "two wrongs" are you referring to?

[Quantess]

46. Have you never heard the expression "two wrongs don't make a right"?

It's super old-fashioned, and people still say it today.

It means basically that if someone wrongs you, it does no good to wrong them back.

[Matariki]

48. Quantess

I didn't understand what 'two wrongs' you're referring to in context of the post you made criticizing DU's "feel-good, hot-air" opposition to prison rape jokes. Of course I've heard that saying before.

[Quantess]

50. Why so obtuse, then?

It's not my fault you didn't get it in the first place.

[Matariki]

52. I was just asking you to clarify

nothing intended by it.

[Quantess]

51. Why don't you like me?

Is it something specific I said? If so, what was it?

[Matariki]

53. Hello?

Seriously, do I communicate that badly? Nothing hostile was meant by my question. I just didn't understand what you were trying to say!

[Quantess]

54. How is any medium-level-english-speaker confuse by what I said?

I also explained what it meant, in case you didn't get it.

[Solly Mack]

36. This thread seriously needs to be locked.

[alcibiades_mystery]

39. Admins need to act on their stated principles and address this despicable OP

Whatever cowardly dodges he has slimed his way through in this thread, this is implicit and almost joyful support for rape. It's one of the most disgusting performances I've ever seen on this board. That the OP is also deeply ignorant about prison sexual violence is also evident.

What absolute trash.

[Solly Mack]

40. I hope they do act on it.

It's disgusting.

[trumad]

37. Second jury got him.

On Thu Dec 17, 2015, 09:59 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

So this guy potentially murders HIV patients by raising the price to a level they can't pay,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7455129

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

This guy is off the rails. Prison rape encouragement is the same as prison rape jokes. He's hoping beyond hope that the dude gets raped in prison as some type of revenge. Rape is Rape and should not be used as some sort of revenge tool.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Thu Dec 17, 2015, 10:08 AM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The whole "you sound like you are in love with him" thing is just whacked.
I don't want or wish for Shkreli to be raped, but that certainly doesn't mean I'm in love with him.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hiding for casting aspersions on the morals of another DUer
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I sense anger.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Another lets use prison rape as a punishment apologist.

Thank you.

[Ptah]

49. I'm glad it was locked. - - ->Account status: Flagged for review

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=246316

I hope admin reviews in depth.

[Bluenorthwest]

38. Let me cut to the chase here. The people who need the medicine he inflated are mostly people

fighting HIV/AIDS. Incidence of HIV is high in prisons, and prison rape culture is a part of that cycle. Thus, the people who Shkreil directly extorted whould be among the first to object to what you are promoting and to the verbiage being used to promote it. It is not in fact rocket science. Your OP is revolting.

[H2O Man]

47. While I rarely

read anything you post here -- and only read this by accident, and noticed that you wrote it after I had read it -- you are 100% correct, on an important topic.

[DawgHouse]

57. Thank you, this is a great summary.

[mythology]

45. In all sincerity this is one of the stupidest things I've read on DU

Rape is never a lesson or a tool. Delete this nonsense.