Carly Fiorina And Ted Cruz May Have Revealed Classified Information During GOP Debate

[TexasTowelie]

During the Republican presidential debate Tuesday night, Ted Cruz and Carly Fiorina may have revealed classified information to millions of people watching CNN on live TV.

During a heated exchange in which Ted Cruz was defending a vote he made in favor of the USA Freedom Act, the Texas Tea Party Senator blew up at fellow Senator Marco Rubio, who accused him of voting for a bill that shut down the NSA's metadata program, "a valuable tool that we no longer have at our disposal," the Florida Senator accused.

Cruz then went off.

After accusing Rubio of making "knowingly false" and "Alinsky-like attacks like Barack Obama," Cruz retorted, defending the reason for his vote as "simple."

"What {Rubio} knows is that the old program covered 20 percent to 30 percent of phone numbers to search for terrorists," Cruz countered. "The new program covers nearly 100 percent. That gives us greater ability to stop acts of terrorism, and he knows that that’s the case."

Read more: http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/ted_cruz_and_carly_fiorina_may_have_revealed_classified_information_during_gop_debate

[Action_Patrol]

1. How is Fiorina revealing things

She can't possibly know?

[Wilms]

3. It's referred to in the linked article. n/t

[Action_Patrol]

5. I read it.

She's telling a tale about cooperating with the NSA. Whether true or not, it's a big difference between someone like Senator Cruz disclosing information from Intel Briefings.

[jeff47]

8. Defense contractors like HP also get access to classified information.

It doesn't have to be an intel briefing to be classified.

[Action_Patrol]

9. I guess so.

The given quote and info provided didn't seem to indicate such.

[jeff47]

12. Really?

In that interview, Fiorina discussed that, when CEO of Hewlett-Packard, then-NSA director Michael Hayden, just after 9/11, called and asked her for 50 servers "so the NSA could implement 'Stellar Wind' — the controversial warrantless wiretapping program, including the bulk collection of American citizens’ phone records and emails, that had been secretly ordered by the Bush White House."

Looks pretty straightforward.

Also, keep in mind that leaking is not declassification. Leaked information is still classified, and has to be treated as classified by people who learned about it while they had a clearance.

[Action_Patrol]

14. Yes, really.

Having an agency just 'call and ask' for information and then you talking about it doesn't necessarily indicate that you are under any obligation to secrecy.

I understand what you are saying but having spent time in offices with classified material, the chain of custody and who can and can't talk about the info is well known.

[jeff47]

15. They weren't asking for information. They were buying hardware for a classified program.

And specifically briefed HP on that classified program, probably to help spec the servers.

but having spent time in offices with classified material, the chain of custody and who can and can't talk about the info is well known.

Which is why Fiorina should have known better than to reveal classified in an interview.

[mainstreetonce]

2. Cruz is dangerous

Just as bad as Trump.

[PatSeg]

11. I think Cruz is more dangerous

than Trump, probably the most dangerous of the GOP candidates. He is very smart and very calculating, plus he is an excellent speaker and debater. I find him truly scary.

[mainstreetonce]

18. I agree

And he will pick up the crowds following Trump .

[PatSeg]

22. And he will patronize

them in that silky smooth voice of his and bedazzle them with his wisdom!

[7962]

27. Yep thats the thing. He's actually a very smart guy and not a goof like Trump

But even if he gets the nod, I think his dad has said enough crazy shit to sink him.

[PatSeg]

34. Yes, he is not impulsive

and emotional. He doesn't react like Trump. Everything he does or says is planned and rehearsed.

I don't know if crazy dad can bring him down, but I think Ted is so inherently unlikable, that he doesn't stand a chance in a general election. Who knows though, Nixon was pretty unlikable and his fellow republicans in Washington couldn't stand him. He got elected twice.

[xocet]

4. UPDATING: Intelligence Committee Chair To Investigate If Ted Cruz Released Classified Info In Debate

by David Badash
December 16, 2015 12:10 PM

UPDATING: Intelligence Committee Chair To Investigate If Ted Cruz Released Classified Info In Debate
Did Senator Ted Cruz in a heated moment release classified intelligence during the GOP debate?

As The New Civil Rights Movement reported this morning, Senator Ted Cruz in a heated interaction with Senator Marco Rubio seemed to have revealed classified information during Tuesday's GOP debate on CNN. Sen. Rubio even offered a bit of a surprised and panicked admonishment upon hearing Cruz's comments.

Now, according to one report, the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, Richard Burr (R-NC) will be investigating to determine if Cruz did.

Rubio, who is on the Intelligence Committee, interrupted his opponent after Cruz began speaking about the NSA's metadata programs.

"Let me be very careful when answering this," Rubio cautioned, "because I don’t think national television in front of 15 million people is the place to discuss classified information. So let me just be very clear. There is nothing that we are allowed to do under this bill that we could not do before."

...

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/breaking_intelligence_committee_chair_to_investigate_if_ted_cruz_released_classified_info_in_debate

[yuiyoshida]

26. oh myyy

wouldn't it be great if Cruz was arrested and charged with releasing classified information? One less GOP candidate to worry about.

[LittleBlue]

31. Uh oh, Teddy has been a naughty boy this Christmas

Revealing classified intel to our enemies. Not the actions of a leader

[pinboy3niner]

32. LATEST UPDATE: Senator reverses on intelligence probe of Republican debate

Source: Reuters - Wed, 16 Dec 2015 21:53 GMT

By Ginger Gibson

WASHINGTON, Dec 16 (Reuters) - The Senate Intelligence Committee said it is not investigating a possible breach of classified information during Tuesday night's Republican presidential debate, hours after the committee's chairman said he was looking into remarks by Senator Ted Cruz.

"The committee is not investigating anything said during last night's Republican presidential debate," Chairman Richard Burr and the committee's top Democrat, Dianne Feinstein, said in a joint statement.

...


http://www.trust.org/item/20151216194921-os7jf

[xocet]

33. Thanks for the updated update - though now I'm suffering from acute...

Schadenfreudentagesschnellverdampfungsdepression.

[progressoid]

6. Rec!

[exboyfil]

7. Sounds like Rubio is just as slimy as Cruz

He would have been aware of Cruz's expected justification for his vote, and he basically forced him to be silent or violate security to defend himself.

[Lochloosa]

13. Slimy only begins to describe Rubio...

[kairos12]

19. Very appropriate picture.

[7962]

35. what the hell IS that?

[Lochloosa]

39. The Dead Zone. Good movie. Better book.

Kids...

[pnwmom]

10. Cruz isn't a member of the committee. So how did he get access to its classified info?

Assuming it is classified . . .

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/did-ted-cruz-reveal-classified-information-gop-debate-n481076

Senator Burr says the Intelligence Committee, of which Rubio is a member but Cruz is not, is looking into whether the numbers Cruz mentioned were classified.

"The question had been raised therefor I asked them to look at it and see if there was any validity to it," Burr told reporters, "Anytime you deal with numbers, and I think it dealt with numbers, the question is: Is that classified or not or is there an open source reference to it. So it's not as clear as just reading what he said. We've got to search all sorts of media outlets to see if anybody had reported the number independently."

[ThoughtCriminal]

16. "Alinsky-like attacks"

What does your average republican voter know about Saul Alinsky, except that to them the name sounds like some kind of radical "Commie Jew"?

[7962]

28. A LOT. I hear him brought up all the time. "Rules for Radicals'

Quotes from it are all over facebook. It was Beck who brought his name to the masses

[SoapBox]

17. Even if they blabbed the world's more secret top secret...

There would never, ever be a penalty to pay...because they are Pukes.

[SDJay]

20. Probably, but

Let's not forget that everyone, and I mean everyone hates Cruz's ass with the intensity of the surface 1,000 suns, regardless of party affiliation. Let's also remember that the 'establishment' of that messed up party doesn't want Rafael to get anywhere near the nomination. This could be the door that opens to take him down.

I do think you're right in that nothing will happen here, but I also think we should keep the background in mind. I don't see any other reason for Burr to announce what he did already today. Everyone hates his freaking guts and is terrified of what he'd do as POTUS.

[stevenleser]

23. Yep.He repeatedly threw fellow Republican Senators under the bus to self-aggrandize and make himself

look more Conservative than thou in order to try to appeal to the far right during the primary process. It was all very calculating and because the farthest right portion of the Republican electorate isn't very smart, they bought it.

[PatSeg]

24. This is so true

Possibly the most unlikable man on the planet and apparently he doesn't care!

[kairos12]

21. What? No Benghazi treatment?

[Myrina]

25. It sorta figures that the only Intelligence evident on that stage ...

.... was classified intelligence Ted heard from somewhere else.

[erronis]

29. I'm beginning to think that "classified intelligence" is as oxymoronic as "military intelligence"

Having also spent several years inside of various "classified" vaults, from what I saw the data was no more damaging than what you can pull out of the dumpster.

The most damning information is that that the corporate world is cooking up for the rest of us. And they are better at hiding their ass(et)s than the government.

[vkkv]

30. No FRIGGIN' DOUBT about it. They did - and should be charged with treason - - - n/t

[TipTok]

36. If we are going to start going after folks for releasing classified info...

Shouldn't we start with the more blatant cases like HRC?

[niyad]

37. on the other hand, tell us something we didn't already know, turd cruz.

[bettyellen]

38. And Christie thinks King Hussien of Jordan is still alive, but we just lost touch w/ him, LOL.