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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 11:36 AM Dec 2015

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: What Donald Trump and ISIS Have in Common

TIME columnist Abdul-Jabbar is a six-time NBA champion and league Most Valuable Player. He is also a celebrated author, filmmaker and education ambassador whose life and career are the subject of Minority of One, a new documentary on HBO Sports.



The 2016 candidate has more in common with the terrorist group than he does with America


The terrorist campaign against American ideals is winning. Fear is rampant. Gun sales are soaring. Hate crimes are increasing. Bearded hipsters are being mistaken for Muslims. And 83 percent of voters believe a large-scale terrorist attack is likely here in the near future. Some Americans are now so afraid that they are willing to trade in the sacred beliefs that define America for some vague promises of security from the very people who are spreading the terror. “Go ahead and burn the Constitution — just don’t hurt me at the mall.” That’s how effective this terrorism is.

I’m not talking about ISIS. I’m talking about Donald Trump.

This is not hyperbole. Not a metaphor. Webster defines terrorism as “the use of violent acts to frighten the people in an area as a way of trying to achieve a political goal; the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion.”

If violence can be an abstraction — and it can; that’s what a threat is — the Trump campaign meets this definition. Thus, Trump is ISIS’s greatest triumph: the perfect Manchurian Candidate who, instead of offering specific and realistic policies, preys on the fears of the public, doing ISIS’s job for them. Even fellow Republican Jeb Bush acknowledged Trump’s goal is “to manipulate people’s angst and fears.”

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Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: What Donald Trump and ISIS Have in Common (Original Post) n2doc Dec 2015 OP
Go Kareem! Initech Dec 2015 #1
It's Roger Murdock! longship Dec 2015 #2
sole acting role? cojoel Dec 2015 #10
. “Go ahead and burn the Constitution — just don’t hurt me at the mall.” That’s how effective this t saturnsring Dec 2015 #3
On the Daily Show, they called him "White Isis" or "Whisis" Glassunion Dec 2015 #4
No, violence cannot be an abstraction. That's a very dangerous road to go down. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #5
And if the speech is the cause of violence? padfun Dec 2015 #6
Yes, absolutely. Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2015 #7
Hmmm, I've been thinking about that. Pacifist Patriot Dec 2015 #8
Billo should have gone to jail after Dr. Tiller was murdered. Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2015 #9
 

saturnsring

(1,832 posts)
3. . “Go ahead and burn the Constitution — just don’t hurt me at the mall.” That’s how effective this t
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 12:35 PM
Dec 2015

. “Go ahead and burn the Constitution — just don’t hurt me at the mall.” That’s how effective this terrorism is.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
5. No, violence cannot be an abstraction. That's a very dangerous road to go down.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:13 PM
Dec 2015

Violence is violence; speech is speech.

padfun

(1,786 posts)
6. And if the speech is the cause of violence?
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:19 PM
Dec 2015

What if I just speak to a person and tell them that a specific person needs to die.
And then they go and kill that person.

I am legally liable for a murder charge, even if I only spoke and didn't kill anyone.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
7. Yes, absolutely.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:21 PM
Dec 2015

Incitement to crime is, and should be, illegal (although it's important to draw the distinction between deliberately inciting crime and saying things likely to result in crime).

Pacifist Patriot

(24,653 posts)
8. Hmmm, I've been thinking about that.
Thu Dec 10, 2015, 02:37 PM
Dec 2015

And haven't quite come to a conclusion personally. Violence is an abstract noun. And the presence of violence certainly can be felt, even when the violence isn't against your own person. Yes, it is other emotions it evokes, but they wouldn't be felt without the presence of violence or the threat of violence. I'm leaning towards abstraction, but I could be persuaded away from that with a persuasive argument.

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