Does supporting the death penalty for adultery and apostasy make someone a "radical"?

[FrodosPet]

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-beliefs-about-sharia/

In 10 of 20 countries where there are adequate samples for analysis, at least half of Muslims who favor making sharia the law of the land also favor stoning unfaithful spouses.

Some of the highest support for stoning is found in South Asia and the Middle East-North Africa region. In Pakistan (89%) and Afghanistan (85%), more than eight-in-ten Muslims who want Islamic law as their country’s official law say adulterers should be stoned, while nearly as many say the same in the Palestinian territories (84%) and Egypt (81%). A majority also support stoning as a penalty for the unfaithful in Jordan (67%), Iraq (58%). However, support is significantly lower in Lebanon (46%) and Tunisia (44%), where less than half of those who support sharia as the official law of the land believe that adulterers should be stoned.

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Compared with attitudes toward applying sharia in the domestic or criminal spheres, Muslims in the countries surveyed are significantly less supportive of the death penalty for converts. Nevertheless, in six of the 20 countries where there are adequate samples for analysis, at least half of those who favor making Islamic law the official law also support executing apostates.

Taking the life of those who abandon Islam is most widely supported in Egypt (86%) and Jordan (82%). Roughly two-thirds who want sharia to be the law of the land also back this penalty in the Palestinian territories (66%). In the other countries surveyed in the Middle East-North Africa region, fewer than half take this view.

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[GummyBearz]

1. Sounds radical to me

In before the first "Republicans here want the same thing and would do the same thing here if they could!!" deflection response

[Nye Bevan]

2. Yes, of course.

As does supporting the murder of someone for drawing cartoons of a religious icon.

And yes, this concept does exist in other religions too. Believing that life begins at conception and that abortion is murder is one thing, but supporting the murder of doctors who perform abortions does make someone a "radical".

[Johnyawl]

3. Yes

[SheilaT]

4. What part of

"Thou shalt not kill" is unclear?

[Yorktown]

5. As long as states are the hostages of a religion, that religion will not evolve

And so, for the time being, Islam does not have the incentive of the wall of separation between Church and State. And happily retains its literalism.

[pnwmom]

9. This isn't about Muslims in general. Only those who favor a Sharia state,

which is a minority.

[Yorktown]

10. A majority of Muslims worldwide favors the Sharia (source:Pew poll)

And the Sharia is validated by the four schools of islamic jurisprudence.

So the hard line Muslim majority has on its side
• official theology
• Saudi and Qatari funding.
• the violence of the radical youths

So it's about a growing majority of the world's Muslims, thanks to the clerics and petrodollars.

[Rex]

6. Yes and I think most people would agree with that.

I think Britain is great society, one that no longer lusts for empire. I think really the issue here is fanatics and certain fundamentalists that live where society allows them to kill and rape and murder each other over an unprovable alleged set of events.

[Jesus Malverde]

7. Definitely fundy.

That said this is probably off topic for this forum.

[pnwmom]

8. The sample consists of extremist Muslims, because those are the only ones

who favor making Sharia the law of the land.

So half of those who favor Sharia also favor stoning. It's almost surprising that more don't, since that's the penalty called for in Sharia.

[Yorktown]

11. No, the Pew sample is representative of the Muslim world at large

And in a vast majority of 'Muslim' countries, the majority approves of the Sharia.

30 years of Saudi financing + Muslim governments blaming the West and Israel for their own incompetence have radicalized the 'Muslim' world.

[pnwmom]

12. Can you tell me how Pew managed to take a representative sample of opinions in

telephone or person-to-person surveys in Muslim countries all over the world? Including women and men?

I bet it was a self-selected online sample and that women were severely underrepresented.

Not worth the paper it wasn't printed on.

[Yorktown]

13. Why do you make unwarranted assumptions without checking first?

Is it because the results shatter your pre-held opinions?

In all countries, surveys were administered through face-to-face interviews conducted at a respondent’s place of residence. All samples are based on area probability designs, which typically entailed proportional stratification by region and urbanity, selection of primary sampling units (PSUs) proportional to population size, and random selection of secondary and tertiary sampling units within PSUs. Interview teams were assigned to designated random routes at the block or street level and followed predetermined skip patterns when contacting households. Within households, adult respondents were randomly selected by enumerating all adults in the household using a Kish grid or selecting the adult with the most recent birthday.

http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-appc/

[pnwmom]

14. Do you think women answering in front of their husbands would reply honestly if they disagreed? n/t

[Yorktown]

15. It is unlikely males were allowed to stay nearby during the interview of women.

The interviewer of a female would have to be a female in Muslim countries like in the Gulf countries, Afghanistan, Iran or Bangladesh.
A male person simply would not be entitled to be present during the interview.

You really are looking for ways to invalidate the poll, aren't you?

[Binkie The Clown]

16. Islam is a religion of peace

...for all faithful Muslims. What about peace for everyone else? The Koran says everyone else deserves to be butchered. (Now tell me I'm a racists for repeating what they themselves say.)

[HickFromTheTick]

17. Radical relative to what?

Radical relative to what? A radical religion? A zealous fantasy of unworthiness and redemption from a fictional deity? A differentiation from other zealous fantasies? Religion is radical by definition. Islam is radical compared to other religions. Radical Islam is pure idiocy, albeit idiocy with sexually-repressed control fantasies. It's time for religion to end. It sucks and breeds hate and fear.

[Javaman]

18. you need to ask? nt

[FrodosPet]

19. I'm afraid I do

I'm of the opinion that if you found the wrong lover or the wrong deity, you should be free to change your mind as new information and feelings develop. Killing someone because they want Chamomile instead of Earl Grey is barbaric and does not belong on this planet.

I know there ARE massive numbers of good, decent Muslims, who do NOT subscribe to such harsh punishments. But this desire by people to minimize the number of harsh Sharia supporters is NOT a positive progressive principle.

No, we should not exclude Muslims from our country. But we need to recognize that there ARE people whose passions and obedience to their religion (be it Christian Dominionists or Islamists) are extreme enough that yes, certain churches and mosques, and their worshippers, need to be targeted for monitoring.