NRA, GOP Gun Disinformation Completely Debunked by these Maps, Charts

[Jnew28]

Stupidparty Math v. Myth rips NRA gun arguments to shreds. Enjoy.

http://stupidpartymathvmyth.com/1/post/2015/12/nra-gop-gun-disinformation-completely-debunked-by-these-maps-charts.html

[haikugal]

1. Is it just me? The link doesn't work...

[Jnew28]

5. It works. n/t

[patsimp]

2. the link works. here are the facts for gun lovers to understand

more guns mean more people get killed with guns.

[Jnew28]

3. Exactly. n/t

[hack89]

4. A lot of low population, low crime states with high suicide rates on that map

It would look a lot different without suicides or if it showed absolute numbers instead of rates.

[Gormy Cuss]

6. But suicides by gun are higher where there is a higher rate of ownership

so excluding them would be incorrect. It would be useful to display the numbers separate from homicides though.

[hack89]

7. Suicide is a mental health issue

it is not grounds for strict gun control. What it really calls for is mental health reform and a national anti-suicide campaign.

[Gormy Cuss]

8. Reduced access to tools of suicide is part of suicide prevention

That's why, for example, the Golden Gate Bridge will have its iconic profile altered because of new suicide barriers.

[hack89]

9. You find a way to disarm suicidal people

without imposing draconian measures on every other legal gun owner and I will listen. Suicide is a personal choice - taking away other people's civil liberties is not the solution.

[Gormy Cuss]

10. Suicide is often driven by other medical issues like depression and some forms of dementia

the latter being what drove Robin Williams to the choice.

I understand your position though. There were people who thought the aesthetics of the Golden Gate bridge were more important too.

[hack89]

11. There are very effective ways to combat suicide without evoking strict gun control

lets start there. It would have the advantage of saving the live of desperate people that use other methods besides guns.

I have no problem with a system that allows mental health professionals to identify people that are a danger to themselves or others so their weapons can be temporarily removed. An online report system with an associated database perhaps.

[beevul]

12. Heres one with absolute numbers but they're murder numbers only.

I can't seem to find annual suicide by state statistics.



The bold numbers were added by me, and represent gun homicides.