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Cyrano

(15,070 posts)
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:31 PM Dec 2015

Is Trump yelling fire in a crowded theater?

There are limits to our constitutional right to free speech and yelling fire in a crowded theater is one of those limits (unless there really is a fire).

In this case, the actual question is: “Is Trump’s language inciting people to attack Muslim individuals and/or mosques in the U.S.?”

We’ve probably got a lot of lawyers here. What do you think? Is Trump, in effect, yelling fire in a crowded theater?

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randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. This is theater. He is trying to create the following situation:
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:34 PM
Dec 2015

He wants to become as outrageous as he can, draw the really nasty folks (we know them by a particular name) to his campaign, and then when the R party nominates someone else, he will go 3rd party and take these folks with him.

He is loving the attention and the crowds, but secretly he doesnt want a con in the WH and he and Bill dreamt this up at their last meeting.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Interesting
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:23 PM
Dec 2015

If this is really part of some kind of plan like you describe then that is quite brilliant actually.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
15. That they met is known, what I allege is not known of course.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:53 PM
Dec 2015

DOnald Trump is a criminal who used thugs to beat up old people to force them out of their apartments so he could turn them into condos.

He is a liar and an asshole, but he is not the extreme bigot that he is playing on TV (basing this off of what we know about him up till now)

As I said on my twitter

"Donald Trump may not be a total racist piece of shit, he just plays one on TV"

Oneironaut

(5,530 posts)
2. No. Free speech limits are purposefully lenient.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:35 PM
Dec 2015

Part of the problem with this concept is that it creates a slippery slope where any type of undesirable speech becomes arguably dangerous.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
14. Muslims who live in my city do not want to be seen in or near the Mosque
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:38 PM
Dec 2015

The Islamaphobic sentiment is driving that. Anyone who wants to make the fear those people feel about their own free speech is part of the US Narcissism Donald Trump so perfectly represents.

Pathwalker

(6,599 posts)
4. You cannot FALSELY yell fire in a crowded theater. If there is a fire, you CAN
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:38 PM
Dec 2015

yell fire. Why doesn't anyone get this phrase correct?

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
7. Because I think everyone is already objectively aware of that implicit sentiment
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:45 PM
Dec 2015

"Why doesn't anyone get this phrase correct?"

Because I think everyone is already objectively aware of that implicit sentiment as part and parcel of the statement. Much as the OP implies there is no fire in the theater Trump is yelling in (or at).

earthside

(6,960 posts)
9. Thank you!
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:45 PM
Dec 2015

That is exactly correct.

And for those in the Repuglican Party, they do believe there is a fire in the theater.

Frankly, I think this may have been a very smart move for Trump politically in the base Repuglican electorate.

 

olddots

(10,237 posts)
5. I'm pretty sure Donny has a slew of lawyers prompting him
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:40 PM
Dec 2015

about what he can get away with legally .He may be a disgusting turd maggot but he isn't stupid
( ignorant yes ,but very cunning )

Cyrano

(15,070 posts)
10. I'm not sure that he
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 02:47 PM
Dec 2015

always plans what comes out of his mouth. The cheering crowd gets him wound up and he's capable of spewing out virtually anything on the spur of the moment.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
13. You don't really need a lawyer for this stuff.
Tue Dec 8, 2015, 03:27 PM
Dec 2015

As long as he doesn't point at a Muslim in the crowd and yell "There's a Muslim! Kill him!" his speech is protected by the First Amendment.

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