Uh-Oh... Good 2nd A peeps can't watch NFL go to Hooters or shop at Costco

[Photographer]

Fuck... they can't even use Google.



All companies we boycott have received a 2ACheck rating of “F” for their lack of respect for the rights of gun owners. Your experience with some of these companies will vary based on location, however, the boycott is based on the corporate policy toward responsible gun owners.

We believe guns in the hands of good people make everyone safer. We encourage freedom loving Americans to boycott anti-gun companies until they improve their policy. Please share this page.

We also strongly recommend everyone know the firearms laws applicable in their own state, and states they travel through. We recommend something like the Traveler’s Guide to Firearms Laws.

http://www.2acheck.com/the-boycott-list/

Bwa-ha-ha!

[PatrickforO]

1. Good. Because if it is REALLY true that...

"...guns in the hands of good people make everyone safer," then the United States SHOULD be the absolutely SAFEST country in the whole wide world, because it has the most guns.

So...why aren't we the safest???

Could it be a FLAW in the NRA's argument???

'crickets'

[Photographer]

2. +100 n /t

[beevul]

4. On the other hand...

With 300+million guns in the hands of 80+ million people, how come there are ten thousandish gun homicides and not ten million, if the guns are the problem?

'crickets'

[Photographer]

7. And only 10,000 gun homicides is a really great thing to be proud of. YAY America!

[beevul]

12. Keep your sentiments out of my mouth.

Not nice, attributing sentiments to me, which I did not express.

But not unexpected.

[Photographer]

13. Then keep your mouth off my sentiments.

Hey, it was a logical inference from your statement.

[beevul]

16. Theres nothing logical about seeing pride in a statement which contained no expression of it.

Hey, it was a logical inference from your statement.

Theres nothing logical about seeing pride in a statement which contained no expression of it.

It was a crude baseless insinuation, you know it, I know it, and anyone else that reads will be able to see it.


Pat yourself on the back and tell yourself 'nice try' if it makes you feel better, but dog help you if you really are that disconnected from reality.

[Photographer]

19. You made the original statement. Own it.

[beevul]

20. Wow, you can't even get that right.

You made the original statement. Own it.

Wow, you can't even get that right. I actually didn't make any statement, so there was in fact, no original statement for me to own. And you wonder why people like me don't want people like you anywhere near gun laws...

I did however, ask a question:

With 300+million guns in the hands of 80+ million people, how come there are ten thousandish gun homicides and not ten million, if the guns are the problem?

One which many seem to take issue with, but none care to try and answer, including, yourself.


Telling, that.

[Photographer]

26. By reminding me of an old Twain quote, I announce you THE WINNER! I give up

and bow to your superior logic and wit. Ya' got me!

[Squinch]

34. I'm reminded of conversations with the

very mean, very old, Republican great aunt.

[Photographer]

36. Or like this?

[Squinch]

38. .

Yes! Like that!

[tkmorris]

41. There is no logic in that question

No one is suggesting that ALL gun owners do violence to others with them, or even a largish percentage. However those "ten thousandish" homicides are FAR too many and are a logical consequence of the huge numbers of firearms that permeate our society. At some point we have to ask if it is worth it.

[6000eliot]

47. I wouldn't be too proud of the ridiculous argument you DID make.

You did NOT refute the original point about the most guns and the most gun homicides.

[beevul]

51. Which point was that?

In which post?

[Logical]

58. Then be more articulate with your comments. Nt

[tabasco]

9. LOL. Stupidest post I've read today.

"We don't have millions of guns murders every year, so guns are not the problem."

[Squinch]

10. Good God. You actually said that. Read what you wrote, and even you will see

that you need to step back from the keyboard.

[beevul]

14. Nonsense.

Truth is just offensive to your position, that's all.

[Squinch]

23. What truth is that? That you think we should have more murders than the glut we already have?

Really, you've jumped the shark.

[beevul]

28. Answer the question, and find out.

With 300+million guns in the hands of 80+ million people, how come there are ten thousandish gun homicides and not ten million, if the guns are the problem?

[Squinch]

32. Really, this very sad. There is nothing that I could "find out" from you.

[beevul]

33. Whats sad, is that you're probably right.

Just not in the way you think you are.

[Chan790]

35. Why would you expect more homicides based off the number of firearms in circulation?

I do believe guns are the problem and that the high rate of firearms-related homicides is attributable to the number of guns.

I see nothing to suggest that based on that number of guns, the rate should be 10,000,000 and not 10,000. What we have here is a non sequitur lacking any explanation of how you reached that conclusion.

[beevul]

39. When did I say that I...

Why would you expect more homicides based off the number of firearms in circulation?

When did I say that I did?

I do believe guns are the problem and that the high rate of firearms-related homicides is attributable to the number of guns.

Thats fine, you can believe it if you like, but its a belief, not a fact. If guns were the problem, I wouldn't be able to state with factual accuracy, that 99.9 percent of guns are not involved in deaths resulting from gun violence, and 99.9 percent of gun owners are not involved in deaths resulting from gun violence.

But I can state it with factual accuracy. Because its factually accurate. Guns are not the problem.

Which is the entire point.

[Chan790]

43. hmm.

You asked why the rate is 10,000 and not 10,000,000 based on 300+M guns in the possession of 80M gun-owners.

I was curious about is why you would look to the rate to be 10M? Where did that number come from?

[beevul]

50. It came from the simple fact...

It came from the simple fact that if it was the guns that were the problem, that there would be far more than 10 thousand gun homicides, in a country of 300 million with 300+million firearms in the hands of 80+million people.

The tiniest fraction - a percent of a percent - of firearms are misused resulting in death, and the tiniest fraction of people who own them, again a percent of a percent, are involved.

That doesn't indicate that the guns are the problem in any reasonable way, and in fact shows that the guns are NOT the problem.

[PatrickforO]

37. Well, here's the thing:

We cannot sustain a nation under any kind of law with these kind of gun violence problems. With all due respect to you, I have found rank and file NRA members to be about 'me,' 'me,' 'me,' and not 'us.' Sure, it's your RIGHT after the Supreme Court conveniently (after money changed hands, lots of money) lost that first clause 'well regulated militia' that used to be connected with the people's right to bear arms. Absolutely. YOU can have thousands and thousands and thousands of guns, the more the merrier, the kind that shoot lots of bullets really fast. Sure.

That's you, you, you, and your interest as a rugged individual - because hey, if we're not part of that 1%, who bail each other out all the time, we're supposed to be rodeo cowboys, tough and lean and mean. And FREE!

That's right - free to be exploited as a wage slave. Free to have corporations cut your benefits and steal your pension because they are free to do so. Because, hey, it's a FREE market, right?

But you can buy all the guns you want. That's better than a decent wage, or health care, or expanded Social Security, or debt free college. And certainly better than that pesky global warming you've been trying your best to ignore, aided by the gross, bloated, swollen, sweaty Fox 'news' and hate-talk radio propaganda organs. They spew all kinds of fun talking points, don't they?

But you can buy all the guns you want. Guns, guns, guns!

And everyone knows that happiness IS a warm gun!

But, beevul, what about the rest of us? What about OUR freedom not to be shot down by some wing nut? What about OUR freedom NOT to have that happen to our children???

Really? Because we need to get sane really fast on this issue and the NRA talking points are anything but.

You want to know the truth? Then follow the money. The merchants of death - that would be bushmaster and the rest of the gun people want to sell guns, the more the better. Sure, they have military contracts, but they want EVERYONE to have guns. But let's look at the more insidious aspects of this - the gun merchants are the obvious.

There are a group of power elite bankers and corporate oligarchs who want to move to a fascist type corporate world government. They've been positioning themselves for decades now, and they are making their move with the TPP 'free' trade agreement. Their strategy has been a masterpiece.

1. First they decided they needed a right wing propaganda organ (Powell memo 1971)
2. Then they worked to overturn the Fairness Doctrine (Reagan, 1984)
3. Then they built up the Fox News network and its attendant hate-talk radio
4. They systematically busted unions, stole pensions and worked to dismantle the New Deal
5. Their shills in Congress worked to privatize, deregulate and gut social programs
6. They declared a forever war on terror - what could be better than a shadow enemy that can never be defeated militarily - gosh, that's a WET DREAM for the military industrial complex

Finally, beevul, the Koch brothers coopted the Tea Party, funded it, and gave political legitimacy and power to the wing nuts, the religious crazies, the gun nuts, the birchers, the KKK, the fascist neo nazis.

AND THEY'VE ARMED THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't know who you are, or if you are somehow being paid to do this, but hey, think about the lives we have lived in this country these last few decades. We can still have that, beevul. We can still have the rule of law and a representative democracy (republic). We can still have stronger unions, fairer wages, health care and all the things that create a sense of economic well being. We really can.

But we can't if we're living in fear of the gun nuts and religious crazies. Like that pro-life Christian fundy turd that shot up the planned parenthood clinic. That guy was an asshole. And a terrorist. Maybe, just maybe if it was harder to get assault rifles, he wouldn't have been able to kill so many. Maybe if there were better background checks he wouldn't have been able to get the gun.

Why, beevul, does the gun show loophole still exist? Why are people on the NSA 'no fly' list perfectly OK when it comes to getting a gun?

You cannot defend these thoughts, beevul. We need to disarm because the way of life you claim to be protecting is in danger because of the heavily armed wing nuts. It is. You really want violent anarchy? Because that's where it's going. And you might feel real strong - oh, yeah, bring it on! But then what happens when some crazy drives up in a tank with a BIGGER GUN and takes what you have? Is that what you want this country to become????

Now, I'm not really passionate as much as my wife about gun control, so this is sort of written on her behalf. My issues are global warming, single payer healthcare, stronger social security, stronger unions and affordable college. But, beevul, I'd like to be FREE OF THE FEAR that some nut with a gun is gonna shoot me for no reason.

[beevul]

46. Swell.

We cannot sustain a nation under any kind of law with these kind of gun violence problems.

An opinion. Swell. And one not well grounded in reality to boot. But hey, its yours and you're entitled to it.

With all due respect to you, I have found rank and file NRA members to be about 'me,' 'me,' 'me,' and not 'us.'

Swell. I haven't been an nra member for over 20 years. I had a 1 year membership after taking gun safety training as a youth.

Sure, it's your RIGHT after the Supreme Court conveniently (after money changed hands, lots of money) lost that first clause 'well regulated militia' that used to be connected with the people's right to bear arms.

Historically false.

YOU can have thousands and thousands and thousands of guns, the more the merrier, the kind that shoot lots of bullets really fast. Sure.

What this has to do with anything of substance, one can only wonder.

That's you, you, you, and your interest as a rugged individual - because hey, if we're not part of that 1%, who bail each other out all the time, we're supposed to be rodeo cowboys, tough and lean and mean. And FREE!

Hahahaha. You know nothing about me.

That's right - free to be exploited as a wage slave. Free to have corporations cut your benefits and steal your pension because they are free to do so. Because, hey, it's a FREE market, right?

I take it back. You know less than nothing about me and now you're making things up.

But you can buy all the guns you want. That's better than a decent wage, or health care, or expanded Social Security, or debt free college. And certainly better than that pesky global warming you've been trying your best to ignore, aided by the gross, bloated, swollen, sweaty Fox 'news' and hate-talk radio propaganda organs. They spew all kinds of fun talking points, don't they?

I always could buy all the guns I wanted. The only people hereabouts who want to change that, pitting my firearms interests against those other interests, is people like you. How that gives you moral highground to be mocking me for it is anyones guess.

But, beevul, what about the rest of us? What about OUR freedom not to be shot down by some wing nut? What about OUR freedom NOT to have that happen to our children???

DUH. Take whatever measures you want to make sure nothing happens to them. But understand, your right to enact those measures ends where everyone elses rights begin. Or are everyone elses rights just not important?

Because we need to get sane really fast on this issue and the NRA talking points are anything but.

To folks like you, anything remotely pro-gun is an 'nra talking point. My advice to you, is get used to it. We aren't going away.

You want to know the truth? Then follow the money. The merchants of death - that would be bushmaster and the rest of the gun people want to sell guns, the more the better. Sure, they have military contracts, but they want EVERYONE to have guns. But let's look at the more insidious aspects of this - the gun merchants are the obvious.

Thanks for identifying yourself as a doctrinaire anti-gunner. Nobody else is ignorant of how small the domestic arms market is in the big picture.

I don't know who you are, or if you are somehow being paid to do this, but hey, think about the lives we have lived in this country these last few decades. We can still have that, beevul. We can still have the rule of law and a representative democracy (republic). We can still have stronger unions, fairer wages, health care and all the things that create a sense of economic well being. We really can.

Not if you're going to tell a significant part of the electorate that its raining while you piss down their backs, you can't. Paid to do this? I wish. It would be great to get paid for being principled.

Why, beevul, does the gun show loophole still exist? Why are people on the NSA 'no fly' list perfectly OK when it comes to getting a gun?

The so called "gun show loophole" exists because congress was never granted specific power to regulate private transactions within the same state, of regular every day private property, and they KNEW IT when writing the law.

The people on the so called NSA no fly list, are OK getting guns, because they haven't had their rights interfered with via due process in law.

You do believe in due process right? No? What other rights do you think should be interfered with without due process, because someone ended up on a list without recourse?

You cannot defend these thoughts, beevul. We need to disarm because the way of life you claim to be protecting is in danger because of the heavily armed wing nuts. It is. You really want violent anarchy? Because that's where it's going. And you might feel real strong - oh, yeah, bring it on! But then what happens when some crazy drives up in a tank with a BIGGER GUN and takes what you have? Is that what you want this country to become????

I can defend my thoughts just fine. Which way of life did I claim to be protecting? Heavily armed wing nuts, are allowed rights just like muslims, communists, everyone in between.

The rest is just so off the rails, so disconnected from reality, I'm not sure its even serious.

[Photographer]

55. +1000!!! Nicely said.

[PatrickforO]

40. You know, I have one other thought, beevul.

It's based on William Glasser's concept of 'positive addiction.'

See, these nuts that can't go anywhere without their GUNS, and want license to 'open carry' their bushmasters into my supermarket where I'm trying to shop in peace...

I've got the perfect solution!

A lucky rock!

That's right, beevul. I mean, I carry a lucky quartz point around with me every day, and you know what? I haven't had the LEAST URGE to take a gun shopping with me.

Isn't that cool - we could make the nuts leave their GUNS at home and instead carry around a lucky rock!

[yeoman6987]

6. Everyone boycotts. Doesn't really work but make everyone feel better.

We do it all the time. No big deal.

[Travis_0004]

22. Why isn't Honduras the safest. They have strict gun laws?

[yallerdawg]

3. Pretty clear here!

Too many companies have made it their business to discriminate against our natural right to bear arms. Without even knowing it, you may be rewarding a company with your business that would strip you of your rights. We will identify companies that would disarm us and present alternatives that respect our Second Amendment Rights.

Nature wants us to have guns! (well, maybe not Bambi so much)

[C_U_L8R]

5. Starvin' for their guns

What are they gonna do without Waffle House?

[Warren DeMontague]

8. They can't use google?

How did they make the list in the first place, one wonders.

[LittleBlue]

11. Um I'm a gun owner but this is ridiculous

It's perfectly fine to not want guns in your store. Your private property, your business what you allow in it. No different than a hotel not wanting pets in the rooms.

[MohRokTah]

15. Why do you think everybody who supports the second amendment agrees with this group?

From what I understand, these people have problems with those companies because they choose to exercise their private property rights to ban the carrying of firearms on their property.

I've got no problem with that. In fact, I wish more companies would do so because it would put an end to the open carry yahoos.

[Photographer]

17. I don't. I do know better.

But these are the squeaky wheels that get the press and drive much of the national discussion the same way the NRA does with all their money and influence (and love of all things Far Right)

[JI7]

18. shouldn't some NRA Events be included on that list

[ljm2002]

21. Nice to have the list...

...to help one choose where TO shop.

[2naSalit]

24. Oh NOOOES!!!

Waffle House and Hooters!!!

Where are they s'posed ta eat?

[erpowers]

25. Pretty Stupid

I am assuming that the boycotts are because these companies will not allow people to bring guns into their businesses. It seems pretty stupid to boycott a company just because they do not allow you to bring a gun into their business.

Anyone who follows this list will hardly be able to go anywhere. It seems that just about every movie theater company is on that list. As a result, they can barely go to the movies. Also, two of the biggest mall companies is on that list. How many malls are these people supposed to boycott.

Seriously, is it really that hard to leave a gun at home for thirty minutes to two hours. It is crazy that some people need guns in order to go to the grocery store, mall, movie theater, and restaurant. I am not against guns, but it seems really silly to want to take one's gun with them everywhere they go.

[upaloopa]

27. Nice list I'll use it to go shopping

[linuxman]

29. Um, yes we can?

[Logical]

56. Lol, it that a question? Nt

[Unrepentant Fenian]

30. Good...

This will give them more time to defend the Baby Jesus in our annual "War On Christmas"!

[Historic NY]

31. "Oh Noes", Waffle House too...

[Skittles]

42. they are such f***ing cowards

OMG I CAN'T GO TO JACK IN THE BOX WITHOUT MY PIECE

[GummyBearz]

48. That never crossed my mind

With all the fresh deer meat I recently shot and gathered. Why the fuck would anyone with a piece want to go to jack in the box and buy steroid fed, overly processed, warehouse meat? haha... what a joke. Please keep jack in the box as far away from my mouth as possible. I like fresh meat, and the .54 rifle passed down to me delivers.

[Photographer]

57. You sound like an extra for Duck Dynasty.

[sanatanadharma]

44. I've learned to reply to thread, not posts

With 300+ million guns in the hands of Americans, why is the problem not fixed by these guns?

The claim that guns are not a causal problem refutes the hypocritical use of the claim, by some gunners, that more guns can be a causal fix.

Please someone do the math to project the number of deaths (not just homicides) if the number of guns goes up from 300+ to one in every hand. Don't forget the toddlers; some are good shots and guns don't kill. Counting only homicides is a deliberate attempt to downplay the ubiquitous nature of the blood and gore violence in NRATERRORIZD America.

Assuming 300+ million guns in the hands of 80+ million people = 10,000 homicides (using figures post here)
American population is 318 million ( a bit more in 2014)
Minus the (call it) 90 million who are armed
We need 228 million more guns minimum
Since 90 million people need 300+ million guns currently
The 228 mil should thus (based on precedent) need 760 mil more (300/90*228)
So a safe society will have about 1060 million guns
This is 3.53 times current so, how many homicides are acceptable?

REMEMBER The number of guns goes up. The population does not. The statistics per (whatever slice one takes) go up and it really looks bad compared to places that are not Somalia, Yemen, ungoverned anywhere??

Quick though,are the 2nd amendment devotees ready to live on a continent without a functioning government?

Acting out their insurrectionist fantasies could make America quite like Iraq

BTW, this my point of view. I will not reply to trolls or those with their "Oh noes, or those who don't know, or anyone with such a touchy ego that you might want to enter into a long "uh-uhh, na-aH" exhibition of a good reason someshould not have a gun. Big egos and guns are a bad mix. Guns make egos too big. Thin skinned egos and guns is the worse of all possible worlds.

[Photographer]

59. Another great post. Well said, sir or madam.

[LiberalElite]

45. They most probably are not welcome

where I work either, because an employee bringing a gun to the office is subject to immediate termination.

[LiberalElite]

49. Waffle House is "anti-gun"?

Then how did that waitress get shot when she asked a customer to stop smoking?

[Skittles]

53. anti gun does not mean paranoid gun nuts won't be in the restaurant

the restaurant is saying they are not welcome

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

52. Gosh, movie theatres and jewelry stores don't want people wandering in with guns, I wonder why? nt

[Initech]

54. Chuck E Cheese is one place guns should not be allowed under any circumstance.

With all the batshit crazy parents who frequent that place getting in all kinds of crazy fights, yeah I would be very grateful that no guns are allowed there.

[SwankyXomb]

60. Hey Skinner

how about getting Democratic Underground, LLC on that list?