The Freedumb Of Guns Is Not Worth The Cost Of Guns.

[onehandle]

The gun industry generates 33 billion dollars a year. This includes all sales, corporate, small business and private.

Gun violence cost the U.S. 229 billion dollars a year.

Potential savings to Americans: 196 billion dollars a year.

Where are your fiscally conservative Republicans now?

[restorefreedom]

1. where they always are

in bed with the gunmakers and profiteers.

profits before people

[Travis_0004]

2. Cost of Alchol in the US 223 billion a year

Do you support banning both?

http://www.cdc.gov/features/alcoholconsumption/

[onehandle]

3. Sure. Why not?

So much for your little unbalanced game there.

[former9thward]

29. So the opponents of the 2nd Amendment want to restore he 18th Amendment.

At least you are honest about where you are coming from.

[Hoyt]

4. Good reason not to screw with gun love.

Do I need sarcasm thingie?

[Travis_0004]

5. Im just seeing where people stand

229 billion-we have to do something.
223 billion-meh we can afford that.

One beer has a economic cost of 1.90.

I bought 18 tonight, so US taxpayers, thanks for picking up the 35.00 tab.

[Hoyt]

44. Yeah sure. You spend a lot of time with the gungeoneers.

[madinmaryland]

15. Good catch! Gunnerism is a serious disease, also. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

6. I disagree.

I am perhaps looking at a longer timeline than you consider. One including the ability of the private citizenry to defend themselves against an oppressive government. It happened once, anyway.

[onehandle]

7. LOL!

Government checkmate.

[img][/img]

[JonLeibowitz]

9. Doesn't work so well against a guerrilla resistance though.

[onehandle]

22. Wolverines!

LOL.

[JonLeibowitz]

25. I assure you this is not a laughing matter.

[GGJohn]

35. So tell us onehandle,

how well has the US military done in Afghanistan? Iraq? Syria? Libya? Somalia?

And don't accuse me of slamming our military, but guerilla warfare is designed to harass and wear down a superior enemy until they finally say fuck it and go home.

[GGJohn]

16. You're delusional if you think the military is going to open fire on fellow americans

the military has a distinct RW flavor to it and would probably support or refuse to fire on Americans who are opposing unconstitutional laws.

[onehandle]

23. And yet Obama is still in office.

How little you respect our brave fighting men.

[GGJohn]

24. And your delusion is showing.

I can tell you, with over 40 years in the Army, that the US Military will not take up arms against fellow Americans opposing an unconstitutional law.

[onehandle]

28. Obama is an unconstitutional President?

Jesus. How transparent.

[GGJohn]

30. Really? I said that?

You sure do like to twist what others have said.

[GGJohn]

31. 40+ years in the US Army and you slander me like that?

Take your crap elsewhere.

[Crunchy Frog]

33. Drones might not be so accommodating.

And what if it happens to be a left wing resistance going against a RW government? You really think your guns would save you, or would you be on the side of the RW anyway, so it wouldn't matter?

[GGJohn]

34. You really don't understant the concept of guerilla warfare do you.

Resistance fighters do hit and run attacks, they go after the infrastructure, IE: fuel supplies, food supplies, etc.

For examples, just look at Vietnam, of which I have extensive experience in, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.

[Crunchy Frog]

36. Yes, I do.

And there are plenty of instances where guerrilla warfare has failed miserably.

I can't see beer gutted American fetishists being in the successful category.

Americans don't have the toughness and persistence of Vietnamese peasants, or Afghan cave dwellers. There's also a huge difference between fighting a foreign occupier, and fighting your own government.

Successful guerrilla movements also need to have the support of a large sector of society as a whole. Just try destroying loads of infrastructure, and interrupting food supplies, and see how much the American people love you for it. Most of them will be rooting for you to be stomped out like cockroaches.

It's not as simple as "the Vietnamese did it, so we can too".

And just what exactly is it that your guerrilla movement is going to be fighting for anyway?

[GGJohn]

37. And what leads you to believe that the military would turn it's weapons on fellow Americans?

And I'm not talking about denying food to the general population, I'm talking denying the powers that be the necessary tools to wage war on fellow Americans.

You belittle the American people as too lazy, fat slobs who wouldn't fight back, I suggest you rethink your idea of Americans.

[Crunchy Frog]

38. Well, the police do it often enough.

And no, I'm not rethinking my idea of Americans.

I think you're living in an action hero movie fantasy world.

And you still didn't answer my question as to what your guerrilla movement is actually fighting for.

[GGJohn]

40. ....

I think you're living in an action hero movie fantasy world

And you would be wrong, again.
I actually was on the receiving end of guerilla warfare, so I think I know what the hell I'm talking about.

If there was an attempt to ban and confiscate firearms in this country, you can bet there would be widespread civil disobedience and quite possibly the start of CW2, don't discount the passion of lawful firearm owners in this country.

[Crunchy Frog]

41. Thank you for answering my question.

You're going to go to war against your fellow citizens in order to protect your toys.

And. You were a foreign occupier. It's a very different dynamic when you're fighting against your own government.

[GGJohn]

42. I never said I would go to war,

my firearms would be lost in a tragic boating accident at sea.
But you better believe that there would be millions of Americans willing to fight against such an unconstitutional law.
And don't count on the US Military to jump in and start shooting fellow Americans, the military has a distinct RW flavor to it right now and may either sit by and let it sort itself out or many units would take their weapons and join citizens.

[Straw Man]

43. Hurray for the Death Star!

LOL!

Government checkmate.

I find it odd when supposed progressives call handguns "weapons of mass destruction" but then get all warm and fuzzy over the thought of unleashing the full might of the war machine on American citizens.

[jeff47]

8. I eagerly await your explanation about how your assault rifle can defeat a tank.

Then we can move on to shooting down B2 bombers with it.

When "It happened once":
First the militia were nearly useless. The Continental Army generals were thrilled if the militia managed to get off one shot before fleeing.

Second, there wasn't a terribly large disparity in the weapons available. That is no longer true. You are WAY outgunned, and that evil government won't hesitate to carpet-bomb. After all, they're evil.

[JonLeibowitz]

10. It doesn't need to. See: Vietnam, Afghanistan, Francis Marion.

Besides, unilaterally disarming is a strange response to being outmatched in firepower.

[Logical]

12. I remember making fun of Russia getting ass kicked in Afghanistan! Now.....

I get it.

[JonLeibowitz]

14. Well, we helped kick their ass. See: Senator Charlie Wilson & Operation Cyclone.

Then we forgot our lessons.

[jeff47]

13. Problem is there wasn't an evil, tyrannical government fighting in those places.

So our warfighting was relatively restrained.

When you're claiming you are fighting an evil, tyrannical government, why would they be similarly restrained? They'd just bomb the shit out of the entire city, then roll on through shooting anything that moved.

[JonLeibowitz]

17. Is it your position that the Soviets were not an evil, tyrannical government?

They did not choose that route. Though I do admit the Mujahideen were better equipped.

[jeff47]

18. Not nearly as evil as the one described by those with a "rebel against the government" fetish. (nt)

[JonLeibowitz]

19. Yes, sick fetishists, every last one of them. All 56 of them.

Here they are!

https://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/declaration_signers_gallery_facts.pdf

[Logical]

11. Ask Russia! Nt

[GGJohn]

20. Ah hell,

just ask us how we've defeated the Taliban or the Iraqi guerillas, oh, wait.....................

[Logical]

21. People forget quickly. Nt

[X_Digger]

26. When the differences between the good guys and the bad guys isn't skin color, or religious garb,..

.. or tribe, or language, or the flag they fight under, but is instead ideology that isn't expressed outwardly.. yeah, that's a tough nut to crack.

Less 'shooting at tanks' and more 'Lee Boyd Malvo'. Less 'inbound mortars' and more 'let me pull these railroad tracks out of place with a $40 home depot wench'.

[GGJohn]

27. Exactly,

less shooting down a bomber and more interdicting the fuel supplies for those bombers or drones.

[Crunchy Frog]

39. On the other hand, they've stomped the Chechens pretty effectively.

The Lithuanians, Latvians, and Estonians fought guerrilla wars against them and lost. So did the Hungarians.

Sometimes it works. Lots of times it doesn't.

[Crunchy Frog]

32. Tax guns and ammo to match the cost.

Since gunners aren't willing to pay the insurance premiums that would cover the real risks of their playthings.

If you're a genuinely responsible gun owner, you should be willing to pay for the social costs of your hobby.