The best witness so far interviewed said three men

[flamingdem]

probably lighter skin, athletic build, assault rifles with extra magazines, all in black, black cargo pants, she couldn't see faces, she didn't want to commit much more since she was distant.

I am a pessimist that they will be caught. The descriptions are too vague. The only thing, to me, that makes sense is that this is Isis related. The slight connection to me is that they attacked the vulnerable as did the Bataclan killers. At the Bataclan the shooters went to the special area for the disabled and killed many in wheelchairs.

Other than killing for maximum numbers for max terror what else would motivate three people do do this?

If it was one I'd think mental illness mixed with some connection to the facility, but three?

And of course if they're not caught they can do it elsewhere, thus their goal, max terror can happen if they are not caught.

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. sovereign citizens could

I'm waiting and seeing but I highly doubt international terrorism. San Bernadino is not Paris.

[flamingdem]

10. Have the sovereign citizens done anything like this?

Maybe one of their own will inform on them.

[ScreamingMeemie]

13. I think the only way they will catch these people is if someone who knew about it spills.

I hope that happens.

[MohRokTah]

15. Targeting local government is their MO.

They will purposefully violate traffic laws in areas of known speed traps, then wen pulled over another vehicle pulls up and blows the cop away.

They've gone after local officials on numerous occasions nationwide, the cop attacks have just been the most visible.

[jwirr]

19. With the recruiting practices of Daesh it is possible anywhere.

One recruitment sign I saw said "if you cannot come to join us shot someone in your area." Thus it could be them.

I am not sure who would do this.

[razorman]

27. If you are in Paris, San Bernadino is international.

I hope everyone will wait until the facts are in before making any judgements about who or what is to blame, be it Jihadists, a trio of nutcases, or whatever. It will probably take a day or two, since the media is always wrong in the first reports of sudden, big events.

[ScreamingMeemie]

28. See the "wait and see" in my post. No, Paris does not think of San Bernadino as

a leading global city. Sorry. It's a podunk area in CA.

[razorman]

30. By "international", I just meant "a country other than your own". After all, it is a matter

of perspective. An "outsider" is just someone who had to drive further than I did to get here. San Bernardino is certainly famous now, for sure.

[ScreamingMeemie]

31. By "international" I mean a spot where international terrorists would plan an attack like this.

I'm talking in terms of "cosmopolitan cities across the world" that would entice the type of attack that happened in Paris. In fact Los Angeles is a spit's distance, if you don't count the traffic, away with a hockey game going on at Staples.

[razorman]

32. I see your point. But, who knows how the terrorist's mind works? Such an attack, all by itself,

will put even a little podunk town on the map and gain worldwide attention. Who knew of Columbine or Aurora before they were attacked? Now, they are both internationally famous.

[KamaAina]

2. They did not attack the vulnerable

the conference room where the shooting took place had been rented by county public health employees for a holiday awards ceremony.

The only thing, to me, that makes sense is that this is Isis related.

Aw, c'mon. Isis would have used a brand-new white Toyota as the getaway vehicle, not a black Yukon.

[flamingdem]

4. Ah you're right about the white Toyota

I feel relieved now In fact I live in Socal so I'm not feeling to good until (if ever) they catch these guys.

[MeNMyVolt]

3. To much time has past. They can be hours away and in a different vehicle.

Unless they start again, they got away with it.

[mwrguy]

12. They did ditch the black SUV a while back

according to the scanner

[bettyellen]

5. Do these extremists have a dim view of the disabled? The first I had heard of anything like this

was from Bataclan. I know they go after older women who they don't want to rape, and adult men who could harm them.
I'm confused.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

6. It's still too early to speculate.

It could indeed possibly be ISIS but a disability center in San Bernadino is just an extremely odd choice for a target.

It could be domestic fundamentalists not affiliated with any official terror group (i.e. Boston).

It could be anti-government militia types.

It could be malicious nihilist types (Columbine, which was far more planned out than your typical mass shooting.)

It could be somebody totally different.

I'll refrain from speculating until more facts are known.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

7. Weren't the Paris attackers dressed/equipped (sans bombs) the same way? nt

[randome]

8. I heard an earlier report that said video caught them changing clothes on a bridge.

Don't know if it was true or not but some video, somewhere, must have caught a glimpse of them.
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[flamingdem]

14. Good to hear, at least they might be able to see a face

Maybe there are other cameras, for sure they won't tell us everything now.

[MeNMyVolt]

17. It was on the SBPD scanner. But these calls come in too late.

Apart from several units on the way, I didn't here any follow up.

[2pooped2pop]

9. I'm thinking maybe a father and 2 sons? n/t

[woodsprite]

20. I'm thinking some extremist "good ole boys"

were out for an adrenaline rush. They did it because they could, to spread fear of the refugees and Muslims, and take out some easy targets in the process. Oh, and to give gun humpers and the NRA something more to rile up the masses.

Apparently the GOP isn't worried, since they think people on the terrorist watch list should be able to buy guns legally. They don't want to restrict those on the watch list because it would affect all their militia buddies.

[2pooped2pop]

21. I think def. 'good ole boys" rednecks

the reason I am wondering about father and sons is based on one of the people at the get together there got pissed off and left. I don't think a couple of friends would just go back with him but sons might. I think there is a grudge and a plan going on.

[GummyBearz]

33. And you would be incredibly wrong

Keep looking for a redneck connection though...

[2pooped2pop]

35. lol why would you even bother to post on this

It has come out that the shooter is a middle easterner. It's pretty widely known now.

[Bonx]

36. To note how wrong you were in your post ?

Just a guess.

[2pooped2pop]

37. yeah, thinking it might be another redneck is way far off the norm

of who it always is. So so wrong. lol

[ileus]

34. It's for sure Redneck christian gunhumpers this time.

I can feel it.

[B Calm]

11. My first thought was Mexican Drug Cartel.

But, why would they be killing people in a handicap facility?

[pangaia]

16. I have no idea who did it or why. Next...

[fredamae]

18. If all this is true

then I don't understand How Three could All escape in a Black SUV and NOT be tracked down pretty damned fast with All the LE in the area. Choppers too. That doesn't make sense to me.

daesh copy-cats?

[arcane1]

22. I was wondering that too. It's quite an escape!!

[fredamae]

23. Exactly-doesn't ring quite right to me... n/t

[LiberalElite]

25. There was a shootout between 6-7pm EST-

one is dead, one's injured and in custody and they're not sure about a third. This from CNN.

[fredamae]

26. Thank you....I just found out about one of 'em n/t

[LiberalElite]

24. CNN says: There was a shootout - one is dead

one is injured and in custody and they're not sure about a third.