"no more baby parts"--said dear as he was led away. but people continue to scramble to find

[niyad]

some other explanation for his murdering rampage. the man is a homegrown, white, domestic terrorist.

[90-percent]

1. comment

There seems to be a complete blackout about his possible motives by the local authorities. Why would they do such a thing?

-90% Jimmy

[niyad]

3. well, the idiot mayor did give us a wink and a nudge about his motives on friday. this is, after

all, fundieville, home of fungus (aka focus on the family) and new life, and the religious academy known as the afa.

[jeff47]

4. Colorado Springs is extremely evangelical.

Focus on the Family's headquarters is there. Ted Haggard's super-evangelical megachurch is there. And there's been massive effort to turn the Air Force Academy into an evangelical factory.

So the local authorities are either true believers, or dependent on the true believers to stay in office.

[niyad]

7. some of both

[phantom power]

2. "It’s a Giant Fucking Mystery Wrapped Inside A Riddle Inside an Enigma"

If a Muslim man shot up a synagogue and told the cops “No more Jews,” would his motives be enigmatic?

If a black man shot a cop and said “fuck the police” while being arrested, would we have to wait to figure out his motivations?

But if a crazy loner gun nut shoots a bunch of people in front of a planned parenthood, carrying explosive devices with him, and states “No more baby parts,” which JUST SO FUCKING HAPPENS to be rhetoric tossed around by right to lifers the past few months, and it’s a GIANT FUCKING RIDDLE what his motivations might have been. It’s a real fucking whodunit. Lemme guess, you probably think Dr. Tiller’s killer just had a thing against lab coats.

May he have said a number of other things? Sure. Crazy people say all sorts of crazy shit. But you can’t deny where he was and what he said. It’s not a riddle. It’s the result of calculated rhetoric that is DESIGNED to encourage this kind of behavior.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2015/11/29/its-a-giant-fucking-mystery-wrapped-inside-a-riddle-inside-an-enigma/

[Marty McGraw]

27. ( ._.)

Beyond BogglesVille

[mreilly]

5. The right-wing pattern in response to these tragedies is always the same...

1. Insist it's the "pro-abortion culture of death" that caused this tragedy, never them or their rhetoric of course.
2. Moan and whine they're being "picked on" by haters who are wrongfully blaming the anti-choice crowd for it's rhetoric

They get a two-fer - pointing fingers and playing the victim, both of which these creeps just love.

Rinse and repeat.

[niyad]

6. and they are so adept at it.

[valerief]

8. A Christian terrorist. nt

[niyad]

9. which the fundies will try to deny, despite the fact that he had crosses in both his place

in south carolina and the dump in hartsel.

[valerief]

11. And he was shooting AT and FROM a Planned Parenthood.

Location, location, location!

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

34. A right wing Christian terrorist coward

Let's start calling them cowards.

[valerief]

38. I think 'right wing' and 'coward' are synonymous. Also, not all RW Christians are

terrorists but all Christian terrorists are RW.

[marew]

35. What a nightmare the GOP has become!

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/16/opinion/campaign-stops/ted-cruz-and-the-anti-gay-pastor.html?_r=0

"EARLIER this month, in Des Moines, the prominent home-schooling advocate and pastor Kevin Swanson again called for the punishment of homosexuality by death."

"Mr. Swanson proposed this at the National Religious Liberties Conference, an event he organized. Featured speakers included three Republican contenders for the presidency: the former Arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, Gov. Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Senator Ted Cruz of Texas."

"Mr. Cruz apparently felt little need to make excuses. He was accompanying another of the featured speakers at the conference: his father, Rafael Cruz — a politically connected pastor who told a 2013 Family Leadership Summit that same-sex marriage was a government plot to destroy the family."

What the hell is going on? I am not gay, never had an abortion, etc. But this abject hatred for others is dangerous crazy talk!

Still waiting to hear how Jebbie is going to test people to make sure only christians are allowed into the country. I came from a very religious family- studied scripture under the Jesuits in college. But the older I got and the more greed and hypocrisy I saw, I became an atheist! Anyone who acted like that in my name would be "smited" down in seconds! "God" either can't or won't. Neither is acceptable.

The GOP welcomed these crazies into their party. Now these mentally-challenged bozos are a problem! Duh!

[Rex]

10. Even some here were falling all over themselves trying to ignore that and that he did not rob a bank

It was pathetic and still is. His motive is very clear, he wanted to blow up a PP building. It speaks VOLUMES about this country that authorities are doing everything they can to downplay his reasons.

The M$M is of course going along with it too, "we have no idea why he did this, just a lone gunman folks, move along nothing to see here."

[niyad]

12. I know--watching some of the responses here since it started has been sickening. reading

the comments on the local "news" sites was absolutely sickening.

[Rex]

13. For my own healths sake, I will not read the comments sections of news article online or off.

I already know what the replies are going to be, seeing them will just piss me off and raise my blood pressure.

[niyad]

14. most of the time I ignore, but this time, I went after them

yes, I know that it didn't do any good, but it did serve to sharpen my claws.

[Rex]

15. The important thing imo is it let you vent, which is good for your health.

Venting is a good way of releasing pent up frustration. I release tension by lifting free weights.

[niyad]

16. venting is indeed good--much better to have my fingers tapping on a keyboard, rather than

wrapping around someone's neck.

[Rex]

17. Agree 100%

If only everyone had that worldview, we would not have any wars and far less murders imo.

[LiberalArkie]

32. When people believe in something/someone very deeply and then something happens

that makes them question that belief, strange things happen. Either the event did not happen, or it was not because of the belief. There always has to be another reason.

Same with politics. Many on the right can not except that trickle down economics won't work. Even when the person who came up with the idea says it's trash and when it has been proven time after time that it doesn't work.

How far did the believers in John Edwards go to defend him?

How far did the believers that Bill Clinton did not do the deed go to try and rationalize it?

Belief is a strange thing.

[malthaussen]

18. Of course I don't disagree...

... but I wonder why it matters. There seems to be a great need to label, categorize, and pigeonhole actions. But what inevitably occurs, it seems to me, is that if an inconvenient label does get applied, then society accommodates the action to expediency, as with, e.g., "enhanced interrogation." True, in some jurisdictions there are special laws against hate crimes (which from a legal standpoint are begging to be overthrown, as they require a jury to have the wisdom to determine intent). I find it baffling. If I kill you for your purse, or because I hate women, or because I hate you in particular, you are still as dead. Why should my motive make one killing more abhorrent than another? Each motive is equally selfish, and equally a denial of your right to exist.

-- Mal

[LanternWaste]

19. Do you apply that consistently to all crimes?

"Why should my motive make one killing more abhorrent than another? "

Do you apply that consistently to all crimes? If not, what are the specific and relevant differences between the crimes you apply it to and those you do not?

If so, what then is the specific and relevant denominator in the sentencing that the starving man, after stealing bread to survive, and the man who steals food for entertainment or profit? (As indeed, "Each motive is equally selfish...&quot

[malthaussen]

23. Mercy of the court, probably.

But answering the question with a question, while good rabbinical technique, doesn't answer the question. Back atcha: what are the specific and relevant denominators that make one crime more abhorrent to another? I'm not looking to score debate points, but to enlighten my understanding: why do some (possibly you) consider one sort of crime worse than another? Perhaps if the question were posed less deterministically: why would my motive matter, rather than why should?

-- Mal

[LanternWaste]

41. I'm yet awaiting the answer as to whether sentencing should be applied consistently regardless of mo

I'm yet awaiting the answer as to whether sentencing should be applied consistently regardless of motive.

If it's too clear, I empathize.

[whatthehey]

42. Because crimes are not discrete vacua

A murder to steal a purse only means value your life more than your purse if given the chance. It will cause no-one to stop carrying means of payment.

A murder aimed at a women's reproductive health facility means that people will be far more reluctant to work at or support them. It is a crime with a larger and more political effect, as intended.

[malthaussen]

43. Ah, that'll work.

Answers the question of why it is different in nature from a single-victim crime, and why it threatens society more. Thanks for the answer!

-- Mal

[MisterP]

20. hey, he might've thought he could bait Obama into coming and then shoot him

http://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-springs-shooting-suspects-anti-obama-remarks-bring/story?id=35469417

[SHRED]

21. Here...allow me to explain

[niyad]

22. sad, but true.

[spanone]

24. if he'd said 'ISIS' guess what his motive would be?

i just read this:

Dear, 57, told them he has anti-abortion and anti-government views, but that doesn't mean those opinions were his motive for allegedly shooting up the Colorado Springs clinic on Friday, the official said. It's too early to tell, as investigators are still processing evidence.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/29/us/colorado-planned-parenthood-shooting/index.html

[niyad]

26. reminds me of the way the msm twisted themselves into pretzels about dylan roof.

[uppityperson]

25. the man is a homegrown, white, domestic terrorist

I waited for PP's announcement, now have no trouble calling it terrorism.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

28. Don't you know right-wing guns couldn't possibly hurt anyone?

[niyad]

29. of course, like columbine, aurora, the halloween shooting, and this.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

30. Naw, those are all Lefty guns....

Heard it on FOX "News".

[niyad]

31. please tell me that you made that up!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

33. They blame EVERYTHING on us.

[chervilant]

36. Has anyone else noticed

that the worse things get for our species, the more a definable subset of us wrap themselves in the bible and the flag? AND, that this definable subset wants ALL of us to be wrapped in the bible and the flag?

I am gobsmacked by these pitiable fear-mongering, hate-mongering people.

[niyad]

37. yes, we do notice, and it is indeed gobsmacking!

[hifiguy]

40. Most people are dumb. That's the fact.

We are apes, and behave as such when stressed and propagandized via the deliberate and designed manipulations of the tenth-percenters.

Someday we'll live on Venus, men will walk on Mars
But we will still be monkeys down deep inside
If chimpanzees are smart then we will close our eyes
And let our instincts guide us, oh oh oh oh no

- David Byrne

[hifiguy]

39. Nothing is more dangerous to the power structure than the truth.

[niyad]

44. prescient little murdering thug.

[struggle4progress]

45. It's pointless to argue about what we call him

He certainly could have been influenced by rightwing talk radio or some similar strain of the constant ugly BS that runs through our society

There's also a good chance that he really is just bonkers

The possibilities aren't mutually exclusive

He seems to have been living an increasingly isolated life for almost twenty years now, with limited and often strange interactions with neighbors, indicating odd beliefs such as you-need-a-metal-roof-so-the-government-can't-spy-on-you

Six kids lost a parent because of him. Two of his dead victims were simply providing moral support to friends going to PP; the third was a pro-life cop called as back-up to the shooting scene

[niyad]

46. no, it isn't pointless. the reichwing tries to frame it to escape responsibility for their hatred

and vitriol. we have to expose them for exactly what they are.

[struggle4progress]

47. Who exactly are you "exposing"?