Fundamentalists Believe They Will Take Over Government And Rule By The Bible.

[TheMastersNemesis]

In 2008 when my mother-in-law passed we took her to Kentucky to be buried. We had the service at her Baptist Church there. Went to Sunday services to meet the pastor. It was amazing that his sermon included taking out a dollar bill and him going on a 40 minute angry rant on this country must embrace Jesus and will become a religious state. That was because "In God We Trust" is on our money.

I thought I was on another planet or something. We must remember we have an insurgency in our midst called "religious extremism. Fundamentalist ideology and memes dominate debate as far as I am concerned. And religion is being injected to a lot of our public policy.

If you look at the war on women's reproductive rights you should take notice. Women have lost a lot of their freedom in this regard and women's health care has suffered a lot.

And we do have an extremist element that believes in a 2nd amendment solution. And when you have someone like Huckabee who has said the military should police a woman's right to choose then you should really take notice. What they are doing cannot be ignored and must be pushed back.

[dembotoz]

1. YEP the nutsos are out there

[procon]

7. The Handmaids Tale

It was scary enough as a novel, but I don't want to live it.

[rusty quoin]

104. I never understood the need to control women.

I read it in the 80s and watched the film I did not like probably because Bob Duvall was the bad guy. These thing disturb me more than ever.

[Rockyj]

96. The Truth is DUG!

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_age_of_the_demagogues_20151129

[longship]

2. But, but, but...

Didn't Hucklebuck say that the mayhem in Colorado Springs was not a good thing?


Maybe he only wants a little mayhem. Or maybe when mayhem results from his rhetoric he back peddles.

I would try to question him on the issue if I had an opportunity.

He's the problem.

[Baitball Blogger]

3. And we continually ignore these warnings.

[el_bryanto]

4. We do have an extremist element that is very troubling

We also have the dominionist movement and the Family which seem to have some influence at the higher levels of Government.

On the one hand there's nothing particularly wrong with a preacher calling for a spiritual renewal; preachers are generally assumed to be in favor of that. On the other hand, when there is the hint that such renewal might be accomplished through violence or with the help of the government than we should grow really concerned.

Bryant

[phantom power]

5. something something Margaret Atwood....

[Kablooie]

6. Extremists are rising in influence everywhere in the world.

And they are all egged on by the right wing.

[2naSalit]

22. ...and most are heavily armed. nt

[smirkymonkey]

24. Why do so many around the world seem to embrace religious extremism?

Is it fear? Poverty? A combination? It does seem like the whole world is regressing these days. Frightening.

[Ahpook]

46. Good question

That I've often thought about myself. Maybe it legitimizes their behavior in some strange way? If these things are done under a deities name its not so crazy.

In the end that is even more bizarre.

[lastlib]

93. Don Henley said it well.....

"...We satisfy our endless needs,
And justify our bloody deeds
In the name of Destiny,
And in the name of God.

And you can see them there, on Sunday morning,
Stand up and sing about what it's like up there,
They call it Paradise, I don't know why
You call someplace Paradise, then kiss it good-bye...."
--"The Last Resort"

[hifiguy]

68. Simple answers that require no thinking.

If the Invisible Man in the Sky says it, you're absolved of all responsibility for any thought and any action in pursuit of Skydaddy's orders is justified.

Daniel Dennett discusses this masterfully in his splendid book "Breaking The Spell" which I heartily recommend to all DUers.

[haikugal]

80. Thanks for the recommendation. I've seen Dennet but haven't read him. nt

[hifiguy]

89. He's an exceptionally clear

and incisive thinker and an engaging, witty and accessible writer to boot. Not many philosophers can claim all that.

[grasswire]

101. kind of like you, then?

incisive thinker, engaging, witty and accessible writer?

[hifiguy]

116. Aww, thanks.

[Kablooie]

88. Anything that happens is Allah's will...

Is a classic way of absolving yourself of any responsibility.

[whatthehey]

8. NO!! DU assures me religion can never be damaging or dangerous

[Missn-Hitch]

55. Exactly.

[Arugula Latte]

61. And we must respect it at all times because most people are religious and

we can never say anything bad about religion for fear of pissing them off politically!

[hifiguy]

69. Ever read Daniel Dennett's "Breaking The Spell?"

He takes that argument apart like a cheap suit in the space of three or four pages. Reading Dennett is like hearing Martha Argerich play the piano. There ain't none better.

[Arugula Latte]

75. I haven't, but thanks for the rec.

[Oilwellian]

112. He gave a lecture a U of Edinburg under that title

Last edited Tue Dec 1, 2015, 11:05 AM - Edit history (1)

I just listened to the lecture and it's not complete. Can't find a part 2 anywhere. Here's another good interview with Moyers.

[longship]

106. The best of the Four Horsemen books.

Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon

The subtitle is important. Dennett argues -- well, I might add -- that religion is such a worldwide influence that humanity had better damned well study in order to understand it. He does not advocate the elimination of religion, stating that that goal might be impossible. Instead, he advocates helping religion to morph into "a less virulent form".

The book is comprehensive and a very good read.

Of the other three books of the horsemen.

Christopher Hitchens: god is not Great
I love this book, too. It is a straight polemic. However, Hitch is such a great writer and his personality comes through loud and clear. I recommend this often.

Richard Dawkins: The God Delusion
A good book. He explores some of what Dennett writes, without Dennett's solutions. I like his utterly fascinating history of the cargo cults. Good, but third.

Sam Harris: The End of Faith
Oh dear! I cannot recommend this one. I found it a difficult read. This is the only one of the four that I've read only once. There is no coherence whatsoever in it as far as I am concerned. It is not rambling; it just makes no sense whatever. One is never sure what Harris is trying to argue. I do like his TED talk, but ditch this one.

Hope this fleshes out your response.

[hifiguy]

115. I think more highly if Harris than you do

but, having read all four, and all but Dennett twice, must concur overall. Hitch was an almost Tom Paine-class combination of rabble-rouser and bitingly accurate critic, wasn't he?

Dennett's less polemical tone makes his arguments and recommendations all the more powerful. He also looks like a cross of Santa and Johannes Brahms, lol.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

86. We must respect the right TO a religion, but not necessarily the religion. nt

[Arugula Latte]

118. Agreed. People have the right to believe what they want, even if it

is fact-less, evidence-free and mythology-based, but they don't have the right to be protected from hearing that other people think their beliefs are nonsense, which is what a lot of religious people, even here on DU, argue for.

[uppityperson]

83. Why do people persist in the insane idea of "always" and " never"?

I don't understand why dichotomous thinking has such a draw.

[kentauros]

98. Because it's an easier means of arguing.

Otherwise, they'd have to get into details that might bore their audience because those same details are necessary to have an actual and thorough discussion of a topic.

Then again, isn't that also how fundamentalists approach their limited version of their particular religion? Those who aren't fundamentalists seem to have a much broader grasp of what their religion is about and how to live in the world without being an extremist.

[kwassa]

119. Excellent observation.

[whatthehey]

114. Dunno, but then again religion and nuance are never all that comfortable together

Oh you get all kinds of buzzwords and "sophisticated theology" TM but all they are is what's left when apologetics has been repeatefly forced to retreat from scientific knowledge. God fixed the earth! Oh it's not fixed...bugger... well then he created it from the void! Accretion of heavier elements produced in supernovae due to gravity eh? Damn...well then he made all living things on it! What's an australopithecine? Oh I see...fuck... well then..

You get the idea. Eventually all those bold certainties either have to remain, rendering the believer a certifiable loon who has abandoned all science and reason anywhere in the developed except the US, or they have to dissipate into mealy-mouthed ineffable vagueries like "divine force of love" or "essential nature of being itself", but underneath all that "sophisticated theology" is the battered and bruised remnants of the certainty that Big Man In Sky Bang Rocks Make Thunder just put through the wringer of actual human knowledge. They may talk Spong, but they feel and want Yahweh the warrior god and national totem...if it only weren't for the pesky rationalists and empiricists and logical positivists and scientists who all said "how do you know..?"

[uppityperson]

117. Thank you for providing such a good example

[Pacifist Patriot]

9. My grandfather's funeral reeked of Christian Nationalism

People need to stop thinking this is just a handful of nutters. It's more than most may think and they look like your rational neighbors on the outside.

[Panich52]

52. And GOP pres candidates are among them - nearly every one

Cruz is even "The Anointed One" for the ultra-radical Dominionists. They are as adamant about religious law governing all aspects of life as Daesh.

Exceptions are Trump & Kasich, but the former's harsh fascism is as bad and latter is a closet radical conservative who is nowhere as moderate as media makes him out to be. He'd cater to RW religious nuts.

Voting is more important than ever. From SCOTUS to local school boards, conservatives with a penchant for evangelical Sharia law already have too much control. If rational people actually voted instead of ceding their voice, we could turn things around — we do outnumber the radicals but we don't bother to prevent living under their repressive control because we stay away from the polls.

[jalan48]

10. These crazy, well armed folks are not really there to stop a "government takeover".

They are there to help the right wing Fascists take over the government.

[jwirr]

27. Exactly.

[haikugal]

99. That's my take as well.

[valerief]

11. Religion--the quickest way to turn someone utterly loony. nt

[kairos12]

12. They also believe their religious teachings

are not open to discussion or debate. If you question them you are anti-religion. It is quite a dangerous scam.

[erlewyne]

13. check the internet for "norwalk prayer in school"

You just have to understand that prayer is good for you

[jwirr]

28. Unless you are the one they are praying against.

[lunasun]

95. +1 !! exactly.

[alfredo]

33. And we will beat and imprison you until you see we are right.

[SHRED]

14. Do I get some hand maidens and concubines then?

[KansDem]

17. Ask Betty...

[eggplant]

15. "the military should police a woman's right to choose"

Hey, I'm all for this. They can keep all the crazies at bay.

[KansDem]

16. Will that be the "Buffet Bible?"

Fundamentalists will take what they like and leave the rest for someone else...

[tclambert]

56. Warren Buffett wrote a Bible? Oh, maybe you mean Jimmy Buffett.

That would be one cool, laid back version of scripture, no doubt.



(Just funnin'. I know you mean boo-fay, and frankly, I really like that term "Buffet Bible," although I think many believers pick things that aren't actually in the Bible, too. I went to a Protestant Sunday School, and they think the Catholics just made up Purgatory out of nothing. Actually, it was a Pentecostal Sunday School, so they made great exertions of interpretation to explain how Jesus deplored alcoholic drinks, though the Gospels say he drank a lot of wine. Must be some sort of mistranslation. Surely, they meant "grape flavored Kool-Aid.&quot

[KamaAina]

72. No, the cook at a Golden Corral in Broken Arrow, Okla. did.

[mountain grammy]

18. and all tax exempt.. meaning we're all supporting this crap.

TAX THE CHURCH!

[SHRED]

19. Another reason to TAX THE CHURCHES!

[jwirr]

29. Taxing them will only drive them underground.

[SHRED]

32. Okay then...

...tax the ones who engage in political speech.

[jwirr]

34. It is them that will go underground. Liberal churches will

not hide because for the most part they engage in traditional religion and help the poor etc.

The haters will fan out and meet in homes in secret and they will not be missed by the community because they do no good works anyhow.

[Proserpina]

74. I don't have a problem with that

make it as hard and expensive as possible, and as demeaning as a young girl running the gantlet at a PP facility for medical care...

[jwirr]

76. Oh I agree with you. But fading away into the background

is exactly what they see in their future - prosecution - and it will be cheaper - they won't have to maintain those big temples anymore.

[Moostache]

20. I do not fear Muslim terrorists.

They are too far away and very unlikely to waste time terrorizing middle-American towns.

I fear White Male Christian Terrorists, because they are homegrown and attack indiscriminately INCLUDING middle-American towns, schools, movie theaters, churches and damn near anywhere else people congregate.

[SHRED]

21. Every church that does this needs to be reported

They need to lose their tax exempt status.

[2naSalit]

23. Here's an often forgotten phrase everyone

should start chanting when encountering/engaging the religiously blinded:

Separation of church and state!!!!!!!


Separation of church and state is in the 1st amendment of the Constitution, which you claim to agree to by living here, if you can't deal with it, don't let the door hit you on your way to somewhere else.

I want to hear all the presidential candidates and the MSM say it often and loudly with a brief explanation of what that means.

[Mariana]

44. They've convinced themselves the Constitution

doesn't really mean that. The various Supreme Court rulings that say it does are wrong. Your argument will get nowhere with them.

By the way, there are a LOT of people who truly believe the Constitution was based on the Bible, or the Ten Commandments, or Christianity in general (obviously none of those people have actually read it), because they've been told that in church. Most of those people are not nutters, not extremists, not individually dangerous or even hostile to people who don't believe as they do. They are ordinary ignorant people who believe what Preacher tells them.

[DhhD]

113. The Bible refers to the separation as in Faith and Law. And that Faith and Law will remain

separate until Christ returns to unite the two at the End of the Seven and a Half Year Tribulation period.

Also the Bible says, that Christ will Rapture (caught up in the air) His Church members and THEN the Tribulation period will begin. At the End of the Tribulation, Christ will return with His Church (the Bride) to set up a thousand year reign of the World.

According to the Bible, Christ will unite Faith and Law or Church and State, when He reigns on Earth. Dominionist do NOT believe this, even though it is clearly stated in the Bible. They want to set up - their - kingdom on Earth; Ted Cruz is working toward being King of North America after he shuts down the government (again) and destroys the Constitution of the United States of America.

IMO, Evangelicals are being lead away from the Biblical teachings of Christ to the teachings of the anti-thesis, some call the Anti-Christ.

[niyad]

25. and these are the same nutbars who scream about "sharia law"

[alfredo]

35. Sharia law and Mosaic law, same shit, different package.

Cruz and Huckabee are both Dominionist. They believe American and the world should be under the thumb of their deity.

[niyad]

36. and yet, when we point these things out to them, they are completely outraged--and in complete

denial.

[alfredo]

42. They need to read the Old Testament, then the Koran.

both will bore you to tears.

[malthaussen]

38. Well, be fair. Their objection is not to religious law...

... it is to which religion becomes the law. Because only one is right, you know. And forcing me to live in a world that does not conform to my laws is taking away my freedom of religion, don't you know?

-- Mal

[niyad]

39. I know, how very silly of me.

[retrowire]

26. i am so close to finding a bumper sticker

that says something about fearing Christians and radical Christianity everyday

[Lizzie Poppet]

30. Which would be, essentially, Christian "Sharia."

Yet I'm betting not a single one of those folk would fail to screech long and hard about any advocacy of Sharia law.

[MynameisBlarney]

31. They also believe

in an Iron-Age mythology dreamed up by desert dwelling goat herders.
They're morons.

[niyad]

37. one of my favourite quotes about the bible: "it is amazing to me how white europeans and

their descendents worship a book that has no white europeans in it"

[malthaussen]

41. Kind of like how we appropriated Ancient Greece...

... which is really a Middle Eastern (one-time "Oriental&quot culture, to represent the foundations of Western Civilization (so-called).

-- Mal

[ProfessorGAC]

47. But Mal. . .

. . .we didn't appropriate that as much as we adopted it. It actually is foundational to western culture. Reason and analysis, democratic ideals, property ownership protected by the state, etc.

I see your point, but in this case it's not appropriation. It actually is a cornerstone.

No?

[malthaussen]

51. The point being, we disclaim its origins.

Sort of in the same way the Arabic origins advances in science, medicine, and mathematics are acknowledged only by their names. We're labelling things to reflect our exclusivity, when in fact "Western" culture comes from a variety of sources.

-- Mal

[ProfessorGAC]

63. We Agree Completely

Arithmetic. Words like Azimuth. Concept like zero. Yep, we agree.

[whatthehey]

64. The Ancient Greeks wrote extensively defining themselves in contrast to "orientals" though

They saw themselves as a different and western culture, and as said we have indeed adopted much of their cultural bases, including that distinction from "orientals" in the Middle East, both as was and as is.

Now in Hellenistic times Alexander et al grafted some Persian and even Afghan and Indian (as is) bits into Greek culture it's true, but it is the earlier anti-Oriental Greek culture that is both the claimed and real ancestor of much of western norms. Hellenism relatively fizzled into nothing in the West.

[malthaussen]

66. But there are parts we suppress.

For example, Greek "democracy" was based on a vast underclass of slaves and serfs with few rights, which would be anathema to our system today, but fits right in with classical "oriental despotism." Grecian attitudes towards women and paedophilia would not fit in well with what we are pleased to call "Western" values, but again are right in tune with the "oriental" ideal. How's that poem go? "There's a boy across the river/with a bottom like a peach/and alas, I cannot swim." (Of course, "Oriental" culture also officially makes paedophilia anathema, but depending on whom you believe, this is an anathema honored more in the breach than otherwise) However, point taken, the ancient Greeks did see themselves as separate from the "oriental" cultures, whether they were or not, and we have taken that differentiation to heart as one of the foundations of our culture. too.

-- Mal

[whatthehey]

71. Suppressed is a bit strong. De-emphasizerd I'd buy, but we do that to all progenitors

The Founding Fathers were largely sexist, classist and proslavery, and likely none too keen on gay rights at a guess, but we see them as wise and advanced. The Magnna Carta did bugger all to help the common man, but we hail it as a huge step in personal liberty. Same as we de-emphasize the good in any opposing society. Cuban health care, German art music of the 30s and 40s etc

[hifiguy]

40. 35-40% of the populace

Of this benighted country is clinically insane beyond recapture. The ammosexuals, the Ayn Rand crowd and first and foremost the religulously insane. I am not sure a country half mad and half sane can hold together. One cannot reason with those who have chosen to abandon everything resembling reality.

[alfredo]

43. That was the stated goal of the Christian Coalition.

[keithbvadu2]

45. There are various versions of the Bible

and many religions with different beliefs.

Which one will prevail as superior to the others?

Would they want Westboro Baptist Church in charge?

They are Bible believing/following Christians, according to themselves.

[tclambert]

48. They want to rule based on what they THINK is in the Bible.

They don't bother to read that stuff. It's really long for one thing. And in the book version, that Jesus guy seems way too liberal. So they'll mostly go with the snippets they hear on the TV. You can't count on them to listen carefully in church on Sundays, either, 'cause that's prime nap time.

[oldandhappy]

49. Yep. Well said. Now, if we could just get them to read the Bible!!!

[bowens43]

50. All religion is equally vile. All religion is evil. All religion should be discouraged.

[malthaussen]

53. For whose profit?

Religion serves the ruling class very well. Anything to keep the marks in turmoil and the munitions contracts flowing.

-- Mal

[Missn-Hitch]

60. I second that sentiment. But, back to reality. *sigh*

Maybe religion will start to fade in the next few years but it will probably be replaced with another. Scientology, Mormonism....security blankets made out of imagination and creativity just like all the others before them. Government and religion - Mmmm, mmmm! Now that is a spicy stew.

[ileus]

54. all two of them...

What's really bad is when folks believe this crap.

[Beowulf42]

57. Extremists

Yes, and these extremists have a name and it is Dominionists. Their often expressed goal is to replace our Constitutional government with a theocratic state where we all obey their particular interpretation of what god wants. They hate women, Jews, LBGTQ people, Methodists, Atheist, Catholics, Presbyterians, Lutherans, Agnostics, children, the poor, Muslims, teachers, and the list is endless. If you aren't at the table, you're on the menu.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

58. They were bombing abortion clinics and harassing doctors 25 years ago.

This terrorism started in the early 1990s. I was reporting a civil trial in 1992. It started when they anti-abortionists were picketing PP at the Republican National Convention in 1992 in Houston and they knew they would get publicity. So PP and the doctors sued them in civil court for damages and injunctions.

By the time it went to trial in 1994, Dr. David Gunn had been killed and there had already been arson and firebombings and unbearable harassment. Several of the plaintiffs were doctors who had their houses picketed on Sundays and people would bring their kids and yell at them for being baby killers.

This has been going on a LONG time, folks. It's just getting worse. And the defendants were the same people that are still involved in this terrorism.

[blackspade]

59. Christian Fundimentalists are a far larger problem than Muslims.

Why other Christians don't march against them I have no idea.

[Mariana]

73. It's so much easier for other Christians just to say

"They're not really Christians!" and so decide it's not their problem.

[d_legendary1]

62. So no more shrimp and lobster?

Alrighty then!

[hobbit709]

65. There are lots of Nehemiah Scudders out there.

[bvar22]

67. NO, no. You have confused the Fundamentalist White Christian Terrorists

who want to impose Religious LAW on all the rest of us...

WITH

the Fundamentalist Muslim Terrorists who want to impose their Religious Law on all the rest of us.


Both sides seem intent in KILLING anyone who opposes them.
Watching these fundamentalists perform their acts of mass murder closes me off to anything they have to say.

[spanone]

70. ...and they fear sharia law?

naw, they admire sharia law.

[kestrel91316]

77. Time to remind the christofascists that WE will make use of that 2nd Amendment Solution (TM)

if they try any such nonsense. But WE will have the constitution on our side.

[world wide wally]

79. Small consolation if they have the Supreme Court on their side.

(And they do)

[kestrel91316]

78. I have been warning about this for decades and saying that Margaret Atwood's

book The Handmaid's Tale would be their playbook.

People used to laugh, if a bit nervously.

They aren't laughing anymore.

[haikugal]

81. Agree....

[Spitfire of ATJ]

82. In their world the PP shooter would be a cop.

[jmowreader]

84. Huckabee doesn't know the military can't police US civilians?

And he wants to be president!

[Bernardo de La Paz]

85. Dominionists. Look it up. Variation on the Pave The Earth gang. nt

[annabanana]

110. "Seven Cultural Mountains" is their organizing method..n/t

[yuiyoshida]

87. The insanity that was the documentary

"Jesus Camp" is turning the page, as those campers have become older. The Religious Right wants to make America into a Christian Bible land, and will do anything to achieve that, even if it means destroying this country in the process. This country, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights..all of it into one large ash pile.

[Beartracks]

90. If that's what the Founders wanted... But they didn't.

Fundies need to actually read and comprehend the Declaration, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights, as well as familiarize themselves with not only representative democracy, but also the kind of government that the Founders explicitly sought to avoid when forming this country.

If they really believe in America and freedom, then they need to stop redefining what those mean.

================

[ErikJ]

91. Theocrats -60% of Republicans want Christianity as the official religion

Yet they say Dems hate the Constitution? lol

[TheMastersNemesis]

92. That Means The Dominionists Now Control The GOP For All Practical Purposes.

All the GOP candidates would cooperate with radical Christians to remake this government. The real threat to notice is how many state legislatures are controlled by the GOP and elements of the extreme religious right. Look at the states who are most aggressive against women's reproductive rights. There is an atmosphere of Christian sharia already present.

[GETPLANING]

94. I call them The Christian State.

[meow2u3]

111. Fitting acronym: CSUS (pronounced "cease US")

Christian State of the United States, or American Daesh.

[Shandris]

97. That sounds like a terrible preacher!

What's the name of the church? It shouldn't be any problem to find out who was preacher then so others can be warned about him; preachers don't stay at one church their whole lives most often, but rather change every 5-7 years. Who knows where he could be now, and what he's preaching!?

In fact, most churches record their sermons to pass out to congregation members (or at least every fundie church I've ever gone to has, and I've been to plenty in my lfe) so this shouldn't be hard to get an actual copy of. That'll really shake things up!

[billhicks76]

100. They Put It On The $$$ In The 1950s

[Docreed2003]

102. Sadly this isn't new...

The evangelicals have been pushing their agenda into the political spectrum for at least 30 years. I grew up in a small evangelical church in a rural community. The anti-abortion agenda was being crafted at that time at the local level and it blossomed to a national movement. But their goal isn't to outlaw abortion, no it's to legislate so many restrictions on the state level that abortion choices become impossible. They have succeeded in limiting access because they know that that is their only choice. If given the chance, these evangelicals in politics will certainly push for their own version of theocratic rule. They've been pushing for nothing less since I was a child in the 80's, but they've gradually gained enough political clout to be successful.

[Initech]

103. And that is not a country I want to live in.

[ErikJ]

105. Intent on sending us back to the Dark Ages.

Science to them is the enemy.

[BeanMusical]

107. What a wonderful world it would be if they were in charge.

[meow2u3]

108. Those fundies looking to overthrow the goverment ought to face criminal charges

How can this not be seditious conspiracy given that the fundies' express intent is to overthrow the existing Constitutional government and install a Christianist theocratic dictator? These coup plotters are organized, posing as religious think tanks, megachurches, lobbying firms, and so on. The theocratic terrorists have gone as far as to infiltrate local governments, school boards, state governments, pretending to be mayors, council members, legislators, even governors. Now they've wormed their way into the halls of Congress, posing as Congresscritters and Senators.

It's a wonder why the media and the Obama adminstation haven't called out the fundie wannabe tyrant, hiding behind the very Constitution they despise and want tossed to spew their muderous hatred of anyone who isn't white, male, and their idea of Christian. Either they've been paid to maintain silence, intimidated and/or threatened with terrorist acts against their outlets, or the media are in on the plot to overthrow democracy. Scary times, indeed.

[annabanana]

109. Google "Seven Cultural Mountains"

They are organized and well on their way.. And Ted Cruz is their savior...

[ladyVet]

120. They can try to take over if they want to, outside of getting themselves into government,

but I believe in the Second Amendment as well. They might be surprised how many of us would fight them. I don't trust the military to do it, because they've been infiltrated.

It's not a conspiracy theory if they're actually doing it.

::::Waves at the NSA. It's an observation, not a threat, guys. ::::