You are 7x more likely to be killed by right wing extremist than Muslim terrorist

[Hawaii Hiker]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/30/3725562/you-are-more-than-7-times-as-likely-to-be-killed-by-a-right-wing-extemist-than-by-muslim-terrorists/

"Though terrorism perpetrated by Muslims receives a disproportionate amount of attention from politicians and reporters, the reality is that right-wing extremists pose a much greater threat to people in the United States than terrorists connected to ISIS or similar organizations. As UNC Professor Charles Kurzman and Duke Professor David Schanzer explained last June in the New York Times, Islam-inspired terror attacks “accounted for 50 fatalities over the past 13 and a half years.” Meanwhile, “right-wing extremists averaged 337 attacks per year in the decade after 9/11, causing a total of 254 fatalities.”

[Buzz Clik]

1. Let's see... 50 deaths at the hands of Islam-inspired terrorists, 254 by rightwing extremists...

254/50=5.08

Five, seven. Close enough.

[pipoman]

2. And one is twice as likely to be killed by lightning than by a rightwing extremist...

Then there is the failure of this to be true if we look at 14 years instead of 13 1/2.....actually this wasn't very well thought out....

[951-Riverside]

3. White, Black and Hispanic males are scary, they are responsible for nearly most gun crimes

The chances you'll see a Arab Muslim, Chinese, Japanese, Korean, etc male committing a gun crime is slim to none but you'll stand a very likely chance of getting gunned down by a white, black or hispanic male during a home invasion, robbery, workplace incident, at the bar, driving down the street, etc.

Just a statistical fact, just look at the murder rate of Dearborn Michigan (6 between 2011 and 2013) and compare it to Detroit Michigan (1,046 between 2011 and 2013). It amazes me how many Americans are scared of Arab Muslim males.

[pipoman]

6. I don't know what a "very likely chance" is, but if it means

What it sounds like it means it would be a false statement. ..most people....nearly all people in the US will not be "gunned down" or even know anyone who will be "gunned down" at a "workplace incident, at the bar, driving down the street, etc."

[Lizzie Poppet]

8. Agreed. But it's still true that run-of-the-mill "street crime" is more likely to kill you...

...than Muslim terrorists, domestic terrorists, or spree killers...combined...by a mile.

Yet we focus on the last three, to the near-exclusion of of the former, which is kinda insane.

[951-Riverside]

11. Point being Arab Muslims rarely commit gun crimes. Is that really so difficult to understand?

Just look at the prison population, most are white, black and Hispanic males.

If you need visual evidence of that just look at California's most wanted parolees

http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Parole/GPSAlerts/

Most fall into the following categories:

White.
Black.
Hispanic.
Male.

Yet we're scared of Arab Muslims?

[cynzke]

44. This Study

Was not about crimes statistics. The professors specified that their study focused on what were considered acts of DELIBERATE terrorism committed in the US, SINCE 9/11. And SINCE 9/11, the majority of specific acts of terrorism were committed by right wing extremists. The study was not trying to dismiss or disregard that foreign terrorism conducted by Islamic extremist are the leading global threat. The study merely points out that since 9/11 terrorism conducted in this country is primarily domestic and therefore we should not be paralyzing ourselves in fear over Muslim extremists.

[sinkingfeeling]

4. Yep, we spend trillions of dollars 'fighting' Muslims, and zero preventing RW extremists.

[pipoman]

7. Zero? Hardly....ridiculous...

[sinkingfeeling]

21. Well how much is spent on infliterating RW, white supremists and neo-Nazi groups? How about

'pro-life' groups? I will admit that maybe the FBI spends a couple of hundred thousand on it. But the conservatives don't want it looked at. Remember the Dept. of Homeland Security wasn't allowed to release its report was titled “Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment,” back in 2009.

[pipoman]

23. Why? Have we had an outbreak of neo-nazi club members

Committing crimes? I can't think of any right off hand. How would we know how much is spent? I don't recall a single 'nut who shot the place up' being active in any criminal organization.

[sinkingfeeling]

25. Nobody is talking about criminal organizations, just RW groups that have committed killings in the

last 15 years. Such as John Russell Houser killed two people and wounded nine in a movie theater in Lafayette, La., a Neo-Nazi admirer. JT Ready, Neo-Nazi committed mass murder in Phoenix in 2012. Both Michael Page, killer of 6, and Frazier Glenn Miller, killer of 3, both had accounts on Stormfront. Ryan Giroux, in March of this year killed one and wounded 6 is a Neo-Nazi. The numbers of hate groups increase every year. So, yeah, we have had an outbreak of neo-nazis, white supremists, and sovereign citizen groups committing murders.

[pipoman]

27. What else? if someone who does something illegal

Likes KFC shall we surveil KFC?

No, we haven't enough money or manpower to waste on unlikely investigations. Apparently we haven't enough of either to ..oh, maybe investigate actual criminals sending the FBI thousands of messages every year which say, "I am right this minute trying to illegally buy a gun"....literally thousands of times per year....every single day....yet less than 1% of these criminals are ever charged and less than 5% are ever investigated.

No, being a Democrat means not being a McCarthyist....

[sinkingfeeling]

32. So you're all for more 'lone wolf' shooters?

[pipoman]

33. So you are for investigation of citizens just because you disagree with them?

How liberal....ffs

[sinkingfeeling]

34. No I'm for investigation of groups that support murder and terror. You couldn't

name one Neo Nazi that had shot someone, yet there are plenty who have been convicted. Same with KKK members and white supremacy organizations. Shouldn't our government protect us from all types of terrorists?

[pipoman]

35. No, you are for investigation of people who you disagree with

I can name plenty of neonazi criminal (and Presbyterians, and vegans, and catholics, and car salesmen and model airplane enthusiasts), none who are acting on a common plan/conspiring with others a larger group...

Just admit it, your idea to infiltrate and investigate thousands of people exercising their right to assemble is anti democratic whether you agree with them or not. It is dumb idea to waste money investigating groups which haven't done anything. It is McCarthism advocated by a supposed liberal....

[sinkingfeeling]

38. Wow, so the KKK and Ayrian Brotherhood are just good old boy clubs excerising their right

to assemble. Goodbye. Have fun supporting your favorite murderers.

[pipoman]

41. I support frredom

When is the last time the klan was implicated in a death? And what fool wouldn't think that the klan isn't monitored by all types of law enforcement? Then there's the AB?...Well since the AB is a prison gang where every piss they take is monitored for years and decades by SIS, my money is on they are monitored relentlessly on the outside....of course there is the not insignificant problem of infiltrating a prison gang...if you haven't done a stretch with honor you're not in....

What infiltration would have caught this lone nutcase?

[NCTraveler]

9. Do these right wing extremists tend to come out of rural or urban areas? nt.

[Democat]

10. These type of studies always start counting the day after 9/11

Is that the same as saying George W. Bush kept us safe?

[linuxman]

12. What is the current ratio of Muslim extremists in the US to RW extremists?

You know, as long as we're doing statistics...

[Nye Bevan]

13. Many, many more Americans have been killed by Islamic terrorists this century

than by any other form of terrorism.

Starting the clock on September 12, 2001 is kind of like producing a study saying that many more Jews have been killed by car accidents than by Nazis if you start counting on July 1, 1945.

[cynzke]

45. The Professors conducting this study....

specified they were looking at the current most history in THIS country after 9/11. Based on the current statistics regarding what count as DELIBERATE ACTS of terrorism, the volume of occurrence were DOMESTIC, led by right wing extremists. Based on current history, the statistics suggest you have a greater risk of experiencing a domestic related act than a foreign one. So far, that is reality since 9/11. The study is not about what has occurred in the last hundred years, the body count or dismisses global terrorism. It merely points out that the statistically in THIS COUNTRY from current history we are more at risk from domestic right wing extremists. You are more likely to be killed by a drunk driver in this country, than a terror attack but no one is suggesting we stop driving.

[clarice]

14. Very poorly documented IMO. nt

[LanternWaste]

17. Documentation is not predicated on opinion.

Documentation is not predicated on opinion.

[clarice]

19. You are correct, neither is it predicated on spin.nt

[LanternWaste]

24. Spin... e.g., your allegations of poor documentation

Spin... e.g., your allegations of poor documentation lacking any fundamental conclusion.

[clarice]

36. Not allegations....fact. As you know....

Statistics or lack of, can be massaged to incorporate ANY agenda.

[niyad]

15. the three deaths at PP in colorado springs on friday were at the hands of a homegrown, white

domestic terrorist.

[Daniel537]

16. It seems perfectly fair to start the count post-9/11

since any reasonable person knows those attacks could have been prevented if the president had bothered doing half his job at the time. There's a reason no attacks of that magnitude have occurred before or since anywhere in the world.

[Democat]

20. It's only fair if you are trying to get a specific result

Otherwise, January 1, 2000 would make the most sense.

[sinkingfeeling]

22. The DHS Report that the GOP wouldn't allow in 2009, said this....

DHS/I&A has concluded that white supremacist lone wolves pose the most significant domestic terrorist threat because of their low profile and autonomy—separate from any formalized group—which hampers warning efforts..[…]

Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to boost their violent capabilities.

The report’s findings were congruous with previous studies that indicate right wing extremism is responsible for more instances of violence every year (with the exception of 2001, when the September 11th attacks happened) in the United States than Islamic extremist. It also tracks with the rise of hate groups in the US since 2000.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/08/07/645421/right-wing-extremism/

[cstanleytech]

18. Wait, arent they both just different sides of the same coin?

[still_one]

26. It depends where you live

[quakerboy]

29. No, it doesnt.

[quakerboy]

28. That is true by definition

Since Islamic terrorists are right wing extremists, it is not possible for fewer people to be killed by RW extremists than by Muslim terrorists.

[davidpdx]

30. I believe it

Most all of the shootings are by white males (with a few exceptions). Next year I am headed back to the US for a 2 week visit. I am going to be more careful about being in crowded places.

[Yorktown]

31. So 9/11, the Boston Marathon and the Paris attacks were committed by RW whites?

"7x more likely to be killed by right wing extremist than Muslim terrorist"?

Even if it were true (and it is not, see 9/11), on a per capita ratio,

islamists are much more fearsome than crackpot RW Christians.

[cynzke]

46. No.

"right-wing extremists pose a much greater threat to people in the United States than terrorists connected to ISIS or similar organizations." The study specified WITHIN the US AFTER 9/11 when we were forced to take the risk of foreign terrorism on US soil seriously. This was a statistical study, not a competition as to who is the baddest bad ass globally. Since 9/11, the majority of attacks in this country that can be designated as DELIBERATE acts of terrorism have been committed by DOMESTIC terrorists led by right wing extremists. Therefore, the current statistics do accurately reflect our RISKS in the US at this time. No one is dismissing the danger posed by Islamist extremists globally. They are the number one threat worldwide. But so far in this country, domestic extremist are reeking the most havoc and causing death here, SINCE 9/11. The study merely points we are so obsessed by the threat of Islamic terrorism we are turning a blind eye to the home grown terrorism occurring under our noses that is posing a greater RISK to us within the US.

[Yorktown]

47. that's a looking in a narrow rear view mirror without 9/11

You overlook 9/11, but also all the spectacular jihadi attacks in Europe (Spain, France, UK)

[Kaleva]

37. 7 X 0 still equals 0

With over 300 million people in this country and with an average of about 29 victims of terrorist attacks per year, the chances of getting killed by a terrorist, regardless of ideology, is essentially zero.

[madville]

39. What if they go back 14.5 years instead

Of 13.5?

[Nye Bevan]

42. Hey no fair.

Standard practice for these "academic studies" is to use a start date of September 12, 2001.

[hill2016]

40. lol

why not use 15 years?

[Nye Bevan]

43. Because these "studies" *always* use a start date of September 12, 2001.

It's the rule.