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sheshe2

(83,785 posts)
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 09:55 PM Nov 2015

Naming the name

Liberal Librarian | November 28, 2015




On April 19, 1995, a terrorist planted a bomb at the front of a federal building in Oklahoma City, blowing up the building and killing 168 people.

On July 17, 1996, a terrorist detonated explosives in Atlanta during the Summer Olympics, killing 1 person and injuring 111.

On June 17, 2015, a terrorist went into an African American church, was welcomed into its prayer group, and proceeded to kill 9 of the congregants.

On November 27, 2015, a terrorist invaded a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, killing 3, injuring 9.

All of theses terrorists were white.

See what I did there? I called acts of terror for what they are, "terror". Which seems to be something that we as a country cannot do.

Read More:http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2015/11/27/naming-the-name

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This is a very good read by Liberal Librarian. I first started reading his work at The Obama Diary.

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Naming the name (Original Post) sheshe2 Nov 2015 OP
... napkinz Nov 2015 #1
Fascism is another word for it. leveymg Nov 2015 #2
Yes napkinz, exactly right. sheshe2 Nov 2015 #3
it comes down to this ... napkinz Nov 2015 #8
PP shooter falls under mentally ill, loner Iliyah Nov 2015 #4
I'd bet most terrorists fall under that umbrella too. Live and Learn Nov 2015 #17
the real threat ... napkinz Nov 2015 #5
"very interesting" ... napkinz Nov 2015 #6
FYI - one of the stats from thereprimandproject is a little misleading: jonno99 Nov 2015 #10
Right on. Kath1 Nov 2015 #22
Sorry, false analogy Yorktown Nov 2015 #7
Uh...yeah, they do share a common ideology. jeff47 Nov 2015 #9
RW loons are a hodge podge with no support. Not so with islamism. Yorktown Nov 2015 #13
The men who murder Planned Parenthood doctors, nurses, stalk their kids, burn the clinics.... Hekate Nov 2015 #16
Agreed, but that's still very limited Yorktown Nov 2015 #20
You really do not get it, and I am sorry for that. nt Hekate Nov 2015 #26
I perfectly understood and answered Yorktown Nov 2015 #27
Islamism is an ideologically diverse movement with not much popular backing. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #18
Half the 1.6 Bn Muslims back stoning/death for apostasy/homosexuality/blasphemy/adultery. Yorktown Nov 2015 #21
...+1 840high Nov 2015 #24
Hey!!! bravenak Nov 2015 #11
We as a country can't call Timothy McVeigh a terrorist? oberliner Nov 2015 #12
Kick and wrecked Hekate Nov 2015 #14
PBO tried to warn us. brer cat Nov 2015 #15
One of my cats does about that IRL Yorktown Nov 2015 #23
and they were taken alive nt KT2000 Nov 2015 #19
What did we call Ft. Hood? 840high Nov 2015 #25
kick napkinz Nov 2015 #28

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
4. PP shooter falls under mentally ill, loner
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:11 PM
Nov 2015

GOPers/RWers/Pro-Lifers still are spouting the same bulls**t.

Live and Learn

(12,769 posts)
17. I'd bet most terrorists fall under that umbrella too.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:48 PM
Nov 2015

Happy people don't commit atrocities. That is why Bernie wants to solve the root problems.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
10. FYI - one of the stats from thereprimandproject is a little misleading:
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:01 PM
Nov 2015

"There is one mass shooting (defined as at least 4 people being shot in one event) per day in the U.S."

- this stats applies to all ethnic groups - not just whites
- this stat includes injured

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
7. Sorry, false analogy
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:18 PM
Nov 2015

The white shooters do not share a common ideology (racism, fundamentalist Xian, anti-state,)

But Islamist shooters share one platform, one goal, and their goals are supported at many mosques influenced by the Muslim Brotherhood and financed by petrodollars.

Playing false equivalences is a dangerous way to get numb to the most pressing danger of the two. It's not because the problem hasn't grown to EU proportions that it isn't there.

(Edit: besides, do RW nutjobs benefit from the manpower and financial support of a large fraction of a 1.6Bn community overseas? which group has the strongest backing? RW nuts or islamist nuts?)

Other than that, what point is the article making? That radical Islam isn't the only violent group in town? Major find..

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
9. Uh...yeah, they do share a common ideology.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:33 PM
Nov 2015

Take a look into each of those terrorists. You'll find extremely similar ideologies.

Playing false equivalences is a dangerous way to get numb to the most pressing danger of the two.

Yes, clearly we should pay more attention to the people who can only hurt us when an incompetent is in the White House. Instead of the group that attacks us so many times a year we don't even count the dead.
 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
13. RW loons are a hodge podge with no support. Not so with islamism.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:14 PM
Nov 2015

Islamism is a ideologically coherent movement with lots of financial and popular backing.

Makes it far more dangerous overtime than loon RW Christians whose power base is ebbing.

(evangelicals are on the way out in the developed world, and they know it)

Hekate

(90,713 posts)
16. The men who murder Planned Parenthood doctors, nurses, stalk their kids, burn the clinics....
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:45 PM
Nov 2015

... I have to tell you this: they ARE organized and have been for years. Look up Eric Rudolph. He was on the run for years, with widespread support. The ones who actually go to prison are hailed as martyrs -- yes, martyrs, the religious terminology. They ALL identify as Christians. They are connected via the Internet.

Now some of them are "loners," but due to the widespread nature of Internet sites, books, hate radio and enablers like Fiorina, they can be classified as stochastic terrorists even if they have no friends IRL.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
20. Agreed, but that's still very limited
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 12:41 AM
Nov 2015

RW loons may connect to each other via the net (monitored by the FBI),
but they don't have the ideological, financial backing islamists have.

People who would give kudos to the PP attacker will be ostracized in the US,
while CAIR will find excuses to attackers of draw-muhamad contests.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
27. I perfectly understood and answered
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 03:11 AM
Nov 2015

Islamists: broad base of support, nationally and internationally.

RW nutjobs: narrow base of support nationally, none internationally.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
18. Islamism is an ideologically diverse movement with not much popular backing.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 12:04 AM
Nov 2015

McVeigh and the abortion doctor assasins were not loons.

Few of the 1.3 billion muslims back violent terrorists. A higher percentage of Irish christians backed terrorists. Irish terrorists had pockets of financial support (including much funding from Americans), just like radical islam has pockets of funding but not widespread funding.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
21. Half the 1.6 Bn Muslims back stoning/death for apostasy/homosexuality/blasphemy/adultery.
Mon Nov 30, 2015, 12:44 AM
Nov 2015

That's a LOT of popular backing for violence for imaginary crimes.

I don't think half 1% of the US Christians back death for PP centers.

This is what I referred to as a larger support base.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. We as a country can't call Timothy McVeigh a terrorist?
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:04 PM
Nov 2015

I would respectfully disagree with that claim.

Hekate

(90,713 posts)
14. Kick and wrecked
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:36 PM
Nov 2015

I thought we would get better. I thought we would fix this. I thought we were better than this.

brer cat

(24,573 posts)
15. PBO tried to warn us.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:40 PM
Nov 2015

"Barack Obama's first Secretary of Homeland Security was going to put out a report that the greatest threat of terrorism to the United States came from well-armed, Christian, white men. The led to the howls of the Right, saying that evil, Marxist Kenyan Obama was criminalizing God-fearing Christians. Of course, the history of the past 7 years has shown that Pres. Obama's security service was correct."

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