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kpete

(71,996 posts)
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:47 AM Nov 2015

In America, why is terrorism a term reserved specifically for Muslims?

planned parenthood shooting
Call the Planned Parenthood Shooting what it is 0
BY JULIAN DRURY ON NOVEMBER 29, 2015 MEDIA, NEWS

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It seems that whenever a white (non-Muslim) shooter is involved in any political shooting, the mainstream media refrains from calling such an act “Domestic Terrorism.” ................
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While being arrested, the gunman was reported as saying “no more baby parts.” A reference to a series of videos by an anti-abortion advocacy group. The videos alleged that Planned Parenthood was illegally selling body parts from fetuses for profit. These allegations were debunked and the videos relied on deceptive editing, but the right-wing, including some 2016 presidential candidates, kept on selling the lie.

Despite that the incident is clearly a case of terrorism, America will not collectively call it such. Imagine for a moment, the shooter was Muslim and he walked into the clinic and committed the same act. How fast would the media heads label it terrorism, in such a scenario? Even if Planned Parenthood seems like an off target for an Islamist, the split second we identify the shooter as Muslim, isn’t it likely we will start calling it terrorism quickly?

Here we have a shooter with a clear political motivation, he hates Planned Parenthood, and possibly President Obama. His politics led him to kill three people, which by definition would constitute as terrorism. Despite the facts, America seems to hesitate in calling an act like this “terrorism.” There are other examples as well.

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It seems irrational to avoid such a conversation, but America avoids it swimmingly. What happened in Colorado is only another episode of a failed conversation. We must examine this bias, and come to terms with why we avoid labeling people like the Colorado shooter as a “terrorist.” If his name was Ahmed or Abdullah, we’d probably be having a much more vocal discussion about the evils of terrorism.


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http://quietmike.org/2015/11/29/call-the-planned-parenthood-shooting-what-it-is/

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In America, why is terrorism a term reserved specifically for Muslims? (Original Post) kpete Nov 2015 OP
It's insane how people even here on DU are trying to say it's not terrorism. It is. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #1
Of course it is .... I am at a loss as to why so many are so invested in denying this n/t etherealtruth Nov 2015 #2
Because he is "one of them" - a white Christian man. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #4
Huckabee: Planned Parenthood shooting is 'domestic terrorism' oberliner Nov 2015 #3
no, he isn't TheSarcastinator Nov 2015 #9
Yes, he is oberliner Nov 2015 #11
I applaud Mr Huckabee for calling it "domestic terrorism" but.... Wounded Bear Nov 2015 #19
Is that similar to when Muslim leaders say that Islam does not in any way condone violence? oberliner Nov 2015 #22
... napkinz Nov 2015 #5
thank you kpete Nov 2015 #6
you're welcome kpete napkinz Nov 2015 #13
two more memes ... napkinz Nov 2015 #14
On DU, it seems like "Christian shooter = entire religion guilty" oberliner Nov 2015 #12
It seems some posters are FAR more concerned about Christian persecution than victims. PeaceNikki Nov 2015 #17
There is no Christian persecution going on here oberliner Nov 2015 #21
Nice strawman. linuxman Nov 2015 #7
In reality, anti-abortion terrorism is a single issue subset of Christian terrorism. This is how it Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #8
Bluenorthwest kpete Nov 2015 #10
You post nice things about Francis, and Francis says abortion is murder of babies. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #18
Also I am sorry to be so blunt, but I used to defend clincs when I was younger and I'm tired Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #20
It isn't Facility Inspector Nov 2015 #15
'Cuz that ain't "fightin' 'em over there" or "keepin' us safe". Iggo Nov 2015 #16
also hippies, I'd add; back in 1980 Reagone called everything "terrorism," including peaceful MisterP Nov 2015 #23
... napkinz Nov 2015 #24

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
1. It's insane how people even here on DU are trying to say it's not terrorism. It is.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:50 AM
Nov 2015
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2015/7/anti-abortion-extremists-are-domestic-terrorists.html

Targeted threats are forms of terrorism that are meant to scare providers into stopping the provision of abortion services.
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. Huckabee: Planned Parenthood shooting is 'domestic terrorism'
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 10:53 AM
Nov 2015

Washington (CNN)Mike Huckabee called the Friday shootings at a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado an act of "domestic terrorism."

The former Arkansas governor and Republican presidential contender who's known for his social conservatism admonished the alleged shooter in an interview with CNN's Brianna Keilar Sunday on "State of the Union."

"What he did is domestic terrorism, and what he did is absolutely abominable, especially to us in the pro-life movement, because there's nothing about any of us that would condone or in any way look the other way on something like this," Huckabee said.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/29/politics/mike-huckabee-planned-parenthood-domestic-terrorism/index.html

Even Mike Huckabee is calling this what it is.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Yes, he is
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:29 AM
Nov 2015

Insisting that he use the word "Christian" is akin to what the right wingers do when they insist that Obama use the word "Muslim" in a similar context.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
19. I applaud Mr Huckabee for calling it "domestic terrorism" but....
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:55 AM
Nov 2015

he lied later in his statement.

"What he did is domestic terrorism, and what he did is absolutely abominable, especially to us in the pro-life movement, because there's nothing about any of us that would condone or in any way look the other way on something like this," Huckabee said.


Bolded text is bullshit of the highest order. "Christians" have been looking the other way at this shit for years. Hell, large swaths of them have been cheering people like Dear on. Get real, gov.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
22. Is that similar to when Muslim leaders say that Islam does not in any way condone violence?
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 12:06 PM
Nov 2015

Or do you feel that is not an apt comparison?

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. On DU, it seems like "Christian shooter = entire religion guilty"
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:31 AM
Nov 2015

Kind of the flip side of what is being satirized in that cartoon.

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
17. It seems some posters are FAR more concerned about Christian persecution than victims.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:46 AM
Nov 2015

As long as we're 'observing' and all...

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
21. There is no Christian persecution going on here
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 12:05 PM
Nov 2015

The victims are of the highest concern - well beyond that of anyone else.

But just as many DUers rightly noted that ridiculous rhetoric against Muslims that took place in the wake of recent terror attacks committed by members of that religion, so, too, ought we note similar sorts of rhetoric in this instance.

 

linuxman

(2,337 posts)
7. Nice strawman.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:03 AM
Nov 2015

McVeigh
Kanzynski
Dear
Roof.
Etc...

Because every single person in the country didn't sign some notarized paper to call them terrorists doesn't mean they aren't terrorists, much less that the vast majority of them don't think it is terrorism.

Yet another "nobody ever calls white people terrorists" post fail.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
8. In reality, anti-abortion terrorism is a single issue subset of Christian terrorism. This is how it
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:24 AM
Nov 2015

is spoken of by those who are not involved in religion. The OP is a person who has promoted Pope Francis, who says abortion is a horrific symptom of our throwaway culture, murder of babies. That is not where I come from.
Francis:
“the innocent victim of abortion, children who die of hunger or from bombings, immigrants who drown in the search for a better tomorrow, the elderly or the sick who are considered a burden, the victims of terrorism, wars, violence and drug trafficking, the environment devastated by man’s predatory relationship with nature – at stake in all of this is the gift of God, of which we are noble stewards but not masters. It is wrong, then, to look the other way or to remain silent. Ever present within each of them is life as gift and responsibility. The future freedom and dignity of our societies depends on how we face these challenges."

So Francis says saving fetuses from being aborted is just as pressing as feeding the hungry, abortion is the same as bombing children. If one believes him, then one might make all manner of choices to save babies from being murdered or bombed. It's just like the refugees Francis says. And DU cheers for that.
I do not join in your cheers for the anti abortion activist. I object to those cheers, in fact.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
18. You post nice things about Francis, and Francis says abortion is murder of babies.
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:46 AM
Nov 2015

Can't really have it both ways. Francis is the world's leading anti abortion activist, and you along with many others on DU have offered him legitimacy and excuses for that and for his anti gay activism.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027202014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027195864#post24

In your threads I have been attacked for favoring Choice and Equality over Francis, and in your threads I have felt most unwelcome for favoring reproductive choice over a clerical bigot.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
20. Also I am sorry to be so blunt, but I used to defend clincs when I was younger and I'm tired
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:59 AM
Nov 2015

of this routine where liberals promote the leading anti-choice and anti-gay activist in the entire world because they like 'other things' he says. It makes no sense.

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
16. 'Cuz that ain't "fightin' 'em over there" or "keepin' us safe".
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 11:44 AM
Nov 2015

And because, you know, white people.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
23. also hippies, I'd add; back in 1980 Reagone called everything "terrorism," including peaceful
Sun Nov 29, 2015, 02:33 PM
Nov 2015

strikes in foreign countries (because Moscow had engineered them, natch--he said there'd be no war or terrorism without the USSR)

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