In my opinion, James O'Keefe should be charged as an accessory in the CO shootings

[shenmue]

That piece of shit made the fake anti-Planned Parenthood videos.

He stoked all this right-wing outrage.

I hope someone either sues or charges his ass off. Piece of garbage.

Here's a CNN update on the Colorado Springs attack.

CNN story here

[arcane1]

1. CNN says "It was not immediately clear whether Planned Parenthood was the target of the shooting."

It was not immediately clear whether Planned Parenthood was the target of the shooting.

"We're not sure what the connection is to Planned Parenthood, but that was the original address we received for the call for service," Buckley said.


I'm going to hold off on blaming anyone until I get some confirmed info, though I won't be surprised if most of the speculation turns out to be correct.

[immoderate]

2. I think it's good to *reserve judgement.*

--imm

[shenmue]

3. It's a shooting in a Planned Parenthood. Why do you think he did it?

Reserve judgement, my ass.

[immoderate]

8. At this time, I don't know, and neither do you.

If his mission was to kill people, he hasn't succeeded. Apparently, you're more in on his plans than I am. Maybe he's pissed about abortions. Maybe he wants people to leave Brittany alone! It may not be a rational person.

I need more data.

--imm

On edit: I'm only questioning what is happening in Colorado. O'Keefe is a grifter and scam artist and should be in jail. His connection to this event is dubious.

[Rex]

14. Yes we do know, he started at the PP and is still there. Confirmed.

So no bank robbery narrative for the GOP to spin. Of course they will anyway.

[immoderate]

16. But at the time I wrote "at this time" we didn't know the motives of the shooter, still don't.

Maybe he's an ideologue. Maybe he's just having a bad day. We don't know.

I'm sure James O'Keefe would love to think he inspired this, but "protected speech," and all that.

--imm

[Rex]

19. NP. Just wanted to let people know it has been cofirmed.

Now we will find out which moronic cause he believes in.

[pablo_marmol]

31. I'm with you.

Reserving judgement until all of the facts are in.

"We don't yet know the full circumstances and motives behind this criminal action, and we don't yet know if Planned Parenthood was in fact the target of this attack," Vicki Cowart, president and CEO of Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains, said in a written statement.

[still_one]

26. Theoretically it could have been a domestic issue with someone who worked their, but I

doubt it, and I have no problem saying it that this is another example of right wing terrorism.

I also would have no problem if he is found guilty if he were executed, not much different than my feelings toward Timothy McVeigh

[Rex]

4. I'm with you on this one shenmue 100%.

At some point in time, we will have to make these domestic terrorists and their enablers responsible for what they do to others.

[shenmue]

11. Thank you

[Scuba]

5. Stochastic terrorism.

[Fairgo]

6. Stochastic terrorism

Regardless of how this plays out, he got blood on his hands the minute he concieved the idea of turning "Jackass! The Movie" into gonzo journalism for 'baters (ref. Idiocracy).

[hack89]

7. He committed no crime so he can't be charged

a civil suit could work.

[branford]

9. A civil suit for what?

"Stoking right-wing outrage" and anything remotely similar are not actionable torts or statutory violations anywhere in the USA.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

10. Shouldn't we wait until we get the story

of what happened and why?

[Aerows]

13. James O'Keefe is a destructive, right wing filthwagon

that has facilitated many things that were wrong by deceptively editing video and releasing them.

You will have an easier time convincing me that Satan is a good guy than that slimy piece of crud.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

15. Yes, he's a scumbag

But even scumbags shouldn't be rounded up and jailed for something they didn't do. .

[Aerows]

17. Ask me later when innocent people aren't "collateral damage"

and when doctors are not getting shot.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

18. Speaking for myself

The wrong thing doesn't become the right thing based upon who the victims are.

[Aerows]

20. I'm also speaking for myself. n/t

[Aerows]

12. James O'Keefe is a jackass. n/t

[cal04]

21. Fox news, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, should be off the air. Here's the pic of this trash.

All the congress idiots that repeat these lies should be held accountable as well
They are saying he was targeting Planned Parenthood
he had explosive devices


Lone offenders warnings were given

[Rex]

25. He had to stop the 'babies' from being aborted, by blowing the place to smithereens.

I guess the women that were pregnant there...well their 'babies' don't count as much.

[mountain grammy]

22. The reality is, if this turns out to be what we think it is..

then involving O'Keefe isn't much of a reach. Bill O'Reilly's targeting of Dr. Tiller most certainly influenced the doctor's killer. I honestly believe charges should have been filed against O'Reilly in that case, and if O'Keefe's hand is found in this case, charge him.

[2naSalit]

30. But remember

Nothing happened to caribou barbie after Gabby Giffords was shot along with several others after her map with crosshairs on Giffords' info.

I am so sick of this shit, it's why I opted for a small population community, sure weird and awful stuff happens here too but rarely and certainly not as severe... and we do have most of the population as gun owners but most are respectful in their use.

[BlueJazz]

23. I agree. His lies led up to this.

[Throd]

24. I respectfully disagree. That would set a horrible precedent.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

27. Agree

Especially given that no motive has even been confirmed yet.

But it's just free speech, who the hell cares, right?

[moondust]

28. Don't forget TX Gov. Greg Abbott.

He and many others have stigmatized and turned Planned Parenthood into a target for RW nutjobs (their base).

Texas Removes Planned Parenthood From Medicaid Program

They should all be held responsible.

[Vogon_Glory]

29. As much as I loathe James O'Keefe

As much as I loathe James O'Keefe, he wasn't directly responsible for those incendiary and mendacious Planned Parenthood videos. Those were the handiwork of David Daleiden, with the counsel of Troy Newman.

As the facts begin to emerge from this cop-killing terror episode, I am VERY curious as to how many degrees of separation between the Colorado Springs gunman and Republican talking heads/politicos.

If they're as few as I suspect they are, Democrats should point fingers, bellow, and wave the bloody shirts that were created by aiding and abetting ambitious Teapublicans politicos.

[pablo_marmol]

32. "As much as I loathe James O'Keefe, he wasn't directly responsible.........."

Thanks for pointing that out. We do ourselves no favors when we twist the facts.

[Vogon_Glory]

35. No we do't do ourselves any favors by twisting facts.

No we don't do ourselves any favors by twisting facts.

Twisting facts, distortions and omissions are luxuries reserved for the sorts who think that waving the flag and banging a Bible justify any amount of lying.

[shenmue]

33. Okay then

[mythology]

34. You would never be able to make such a charge stick

nor should you be able to.

There is no direct and imminent link between O'Keefe's videos and this. Even if you prove he watched them, you still fail to prove the imminent portion.

It should be hard to get a case on incitement given the importance of freedom of speech.

Yes O'Keefe is a dishonest asshoe, but he knows that.