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Just a small Google and I come up with a few of the news reports. There are literally pages and pages of this. Looks to me like this was eventually going to happen sooner or later.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-07/pentagon-confirms-russia-violated-us-airspace-16-times-last-10-days-not-just-trainin
https://www.rt.com/news/205355-baltic-nordic-military-cooperation/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/03/russia-ukraine-air-space_n_4888979.html
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)StrayKat
(570 posts)Russian bomber approached UK air space in September of this year:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/raf-typhoons-stop-russian-bomber-6428076
Earlier this year, the Mirror revealed RAF jets challenged Russian planes under the QRA, triggered when mystery aircraft appear on radar, 88 times between 2005 and the end of 2014.
Moscow claims the flights are routine training missions but experts say they are used to test reaction times and gather intelligence.
Current search by RAF/France/Canadians for submarine off Scotland:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-34896956
An RAF plane is "conducting activity" off the Scottish coast, the Ministry of Defence says, amid reports of a Russian submarine being spotted in the area.
A Royal Navy Frigate and submarine are also thought to be involved in the search, along with Canadian and French maritime patrol aircraft.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Russia has numbers, not quality. Do you think a friendly would have been shot down by a 16?
As a vet I find it offensive that the ground forces shot helpless pilots in a harness. That is so wrong.
Charges should be brought, or a quick field justice.
You just don't do that! They could have been ours!
There is no Geneva Convention in place here. Do the Republican hawks realize what happens to prisoners?
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)This casual attitude about protection of our prisoners in war is annoying to me too. If the rules don't protect everybody, they protect nobody.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)Because the IFF Transponder would've responded with the current friendly code.
Back when George I declared a "no fly" zone in Northern Iraq to protect the Kurds from Saddam's chopper attacks a UN chopper full of high level people was shot down. The explanation is the IFF did not respond with the new safe code.
Last report I read 1 pilot was rescued by Russian forces from Turkman fighters operating in Serbia. The other was killed by the same group. Not to give them a break, but since this group was the target of the Russian bombs I can see that as elevating their anger. These things happen in war.
Considering that we would not allow the guerrillas the protections of the Geneva Convention it seems moot to even bring that up.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)Even if they have been "invading sovereign countries air space"- Let's compare Russia to the US over the last 20 years
Who is behind this?
Iraq 1
Serbia (no it wasn't about genocide*)
Afghanistan
Iraq 2
Libya
Syria
How about before 1990?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regime_change_actions
After the Berlin Wall fell your leaders decided to go for it. And they did. And they want you to think Russia is expansionist- while they illegally try to overthrow the elected government of Syria. Don't be a fool. And look up PNAC
"We have no choice but to re-instill in our foes and friends the fear that attaches to any great power.... Only a war against Saddam Hussein will decisively restore the awe that protects American interests abroad and citizens at home" PNAC fellow Reuel Marc Gerecht
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#Focus_on_military_strategies.2C_versus_diplomatic_strategies
*http://web.archive.org/web/20030622122722/http://www.newamericancentury.org/balkans.htm
840high
(17,196 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)and divert away from who has helped create and fund IS and their brutal terrorist acts that the hated Russia is at least trying to stop. Even going so far as to laugh about the deaths of a pilot down shot parachuting and a rescuer trying to locate these men. It's sick.
Pilger - From Pol Pot to ISIS: The blood never dried
Full article: http://johnpilger.com/articles/from-pol-pot-to-isis-the-blood-never-dried
Anti-Empire Report #140
by William Blum / November 3rd, 2015
Are you confused by the Middle East? Here are some things you should know. (But youll probably still be confused.)
-The first example of this was in 1979 when the United States began covert operations in Afghanistan, six months before the Russians arrived, promoting Islamic fundamentalism across the southern tier of the Soviet Union against godless communism. All the al-Qaeda/Taliban shit then followed.
-In addition to Afghanistan, the United States has provided support to Islamic militants in Bosnia, Kosovo, Libya, the Caucasus, and Syria.
-The United States overthrew the secular governments of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya and is trying to do the same with Syria, thus giving great impetus to the rise of ISIS. Said Barack Obama in March of this year: ISIS is a direct outgrowth of al-Qaeda in Iraq that grew out of our invasion. Which is an example of unintended consequences. Which is why we should generally aim before we shoot.1
What these governments have had in common can be summarized in a single word independence independence from American foreign policy; the refusal to be a client state of Washington; the refusal to be continuously hostile to Washingtons Officially Designated Enemies; insufficient respect and zeal for the capitalist way of life.
Attempted to overthrow more than 50 foreign governments, most of which were democratically-elected.
Dropped bombs on the people of more than 30 countries.
Attempted to assassinate more than 50 foreign leaders.
Attempted to suppress a populist or nationalist movement in 20 countries.
Grossly interfered in democratic elections in at least 30 countries.4
Plus although not easily quantified more involved in the practice of torture than any other country in the world for over a century not just performing the actual torture, but teaching it, providing the manuals, and furnishing the equipment.
Full article: http://dissidentvoice.org/2015/11/the-deadly-ongoing-role-of-the-us-in-the-middle-east-and-beyond/#more-60317
Mendocino
(7,504 posts)They used missiles to bring down a commercial airliner, Korea Air 007 that nicked their airspace, killing 269.
TexasProgresive
(12,157 posts)American Airlines flight 77 and United Airlines flight 93 would have been put down as well. The were out of route, transponder not responding to interrogation and the WTC had been hit. I don't think in the short distance from Logan to NYC those airliners could've been intercepted in time. What was the 1st Air Force and the Eastern Air Defense Sector doing? Why didn't they launch the hot birds ASAP?