Turkey says it shot down two Russian jets for

[malaise]

violating its airspace - so how come they crashed in Syria. Russia says both pilots ejected.
This is very bad news.

[MADem]

1. Because the two countries share a border, that's why.

You shoot a plane, and the pilot will try to get to where they have the best chance of reaching safety before they have to eject.

[CJCRANE]

5. I'm not sure the pilot has much time or control once the plane's been hit.

Maybe someone in the airforce can chime in on the procedure.

[jberryhill]

7. Depends on how badly

To "shoot down" an aircraft, one only need damage it enough that it will not be able to reach its destination.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Armstrong#Navy_service

Armstrong first saw action in the Korean War on August 29, 1951, as an escort for a photo reconnaissance plane over Songjin. Five days later on September 3, he flew armed reconnaissance over the primary transportation and storage facilities south of the village of Majon-ni, west of Wonsan. While making a low bombing run at about 350 mph (560 km/h), Armstrong's F9F Panther was hit by anti-aircraft fire. While trying to regain control, he collided with a pole at a height of about 20 feet (6 m), which sliced off about three feet (1 m) of the Panther's right wing. Armstrong flew the plane back to friendly territory, but due to the loss of the aileron, ejection was his only safe option. He planned to eject over water and await rescue by Navy helicopters, and therefore flew to an airfield near Pohang, but his ejection seat was blown back over land.

[FreakinDJ]

2. Those are American weapons systems they are using

[pampango]

8. Exactly. That is the risk (in reverse) we would have run if we had attacked Syria in 2013 during

the chemical weapons crisis. The Syrian government would have used Russian planes and missiles to defend themselves.

[nitpicker]

3. BBC indicates only one plane

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-34907983


Turkey 'downs Russian warplane on Syria border'


21 minutes ago

From the section Middle East

The Turkish military has reportedly shot down a Russian military aircraft on the border with Syria.

Russia's defence ministry said an Su-24 had crashed on Syrian territory after being hit by fire from the ground, and that its pilots had managed to eject. But Turkish military officials said Turkish F-16s had shot down the plane after repeatedly warning its pilots they were violating Turkish airspace.

Video footage showed the plane crashing into mountains in Latakia province. It is believed to have come down in a rebel-held area.

((ongoing updates at http://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-34908469 ))

[muriel_volestrangler]

4. 1 jet, 2 pilots, I think

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-34908469

Hit a plane travelling at several hundred mph several thousand feet up, and it will go a few miles before hitting the ground.



Though the claim may be that it crossed into Turkish airspace, not necessarily that it was still there when shot, which won't make Turkey look good:

Turkey has released flight radar images appearing to show that the Russian jet briefly flew over southern Turkey before it as shot down, CNN Turk reports.



https://twitter.com/CNNTURK_ENG/status/669098577524822016/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/russian-jet-downed-by-turkish-planes-near-syrian-border-live-updates#block-56543af8e4b0877f6541edf4

Plus:

Video purporting to show dead Russian pilot

Graphic video purporting to show a dead Russian pilot is being widely circulated, but we cannot verify its authenticity.

BrookingsDoha analyst Charles Lister says the video shows the dead pilot wearing Russian uniform and equipment. He says the dead pilot is now reported to be in the hands of anti-Assad rebels from the Alwiya Al-‘Ashar group.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2015/nov/24/russian-jet-downed-by-turkish-planes-near-syrian-border-live-updates#block-56543bf3e4b0877f6541edf5

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. Finally we have our own air force

:large

[CJCRANE]

11. Do remember the meme on social media when we were threatening to bomb the Syria govt

on behalf of the rebels back in 2013?

US military personnel and others with banners saying "We're not Al Qaeda's Air Force".

[AngryAmish]

9. WW3

[Blue_Tires]

10. Well to be fair Russia has repeatedly encroached on TUR airspace

and they have been repeatedly warned...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34453739

[KingCharlemagne]

12. we had better all hope and pray that President Putin does not

listen to the advice of the hardliners and decide to incinerate Istanbul or Ankara with one push of a button.

[Blue_Tires]

13. Putin *IS* the hardliner

but luckily even he isn't crazy enough to nuke Istanbul, since if he launches, everybody launches...

Besides, his outrage falls on deaf ears as long as he continues to stonewall Russia's culpability for MH17

[KingCharlemagne]

14. oh, puh-leeze. you know nothing of Russian politics if you think

Putin and Lavrov are hardliners. They are veritable peaceniks when set against some of the Russian ultra-nationalists, like Edward Limonov, with political influence.

[Blue_Tires]

15. I didn't hear a lot of peaceful sentiment in Putin's media comments...

[KingCharlemagne]

16. If President Obama were giving a presser as video surfaced of two American pilots being brutally

murdered in cold blood, as they parachuted to ground utterly defenseless, do you think Obama would sound peaceful?????

FFS

[Blue_Tires]

19. I can say if that happened we certainly

wouldn't be blaming Russia, who seems convinced that this is somehow our fault...

[KingCharlemagne]

20. Turkey is our ally and Turkey backs ISIS. - nt

[Blue_Tires]

23. So stay out of their airspace, then...

And there won't be any problem... Do Russian pilots need a map or something?

[KingCharlemagne]

24. These Russian pilots were shot dead in cold blood as they parachuted to earth. Your

callous indifference to their murders is duly noted.

[Blue_Tires]

27. I don't condone that -- It was a very fucking stupid thing

for whichever rebel group this was to do...

But for Russian pilots to again (allegedly) be somewhere they weren't supposed to after repeated warning is either gross negligence, or complete disregard for airspace restrictions...

[polly7]

17. Wtf do you think he SHOULD say??? nt.

[snooper2]

18. you got his ear right? could you make sure he plays nice?

[KingCharlemagne]

25. My, aren't you precious? - nt

[snooper2]

29. Yes, I Am! thank you very much!

You are King! You tell Pootie Poo to watch his shit!

[951-Riverside]

21. "This is it, boys, this is war"

[Xolodno]

22. NATO Nation firing on a Russian Plane....

....sweet Jesus. At another time this would lead to WW3....it still may.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

26. Putin promised "grave consequences". That won't be good. nt

[KingCharlemagne]

28. Think August 1914 with just a soupcon of nukes thrown in for spice - nt