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UTUSN

(70,706 posts)
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:09 PM Nov 2015

No coverage except from a gossip site that TRUMP's fans kicked and dragged a protester out?

A few weeks ago it was a Latino being dragged and kicked. Now a BLM. At first I was going to post only this topic alone, then thought of the Nazi thuggery so added the putsch item, then thought I might get gigged about making Nazi/HITLER parallels, but I see by http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027367202 that it's a valid point to make.

Not to mention that from his Day 1 he started making outrageous proclamations, and quickly went from being written off to being respectfully interviewed and treated as a credible, even creditable, figure. Now he's even into waterboarding territory. What will it take for a have-you-no-decency moment?


Fitting that the putsch anniversary is November. And some quotations: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross.” --Sinclair LEWIS

Hamlet: O villain, villain, [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]smiling[/FONT], damnèd villain! ...
That one may [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]smile, and smile, and be a villain[/FONT] — “Hamlet”, Act I, scene 5, 105-109

from the movie “Elizabeth” (1998), Cate BLANCHETT: “A man will confess to anything...under torture.”

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http://gawker.com/donald-trump-supporters-filmed-kicking-punching-black-1743981571
[font size=5]Donald Trump Supporters Filmed Kicking, Punching Black Lives Matter Protester at Rally in Alabama[/font]

Melissa Cronin
A black protester who tried to interrupt a speech by Donald Trump at a rally in Birmingham, Alabama was set upon by the candidate’s supporters.

The protester appeared to be shouting “black lives matter,” and wearing a shirt that read the same, according to CNN. Some six Trump supporters attacked him, with at least one man punching him, and a woman kicking him while he was lying on the ground.

The scuffle was captured from all angles, with Trump’s voice blaring over a loudspeaker in the background.

Trump reportedly told security to “get him the hell out of here.”

Campaign spokeswoman Hope Hicks told CNN “the campaign does not condone this behavior.”

(Image via Twitter)



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The Beer Hall Putsch, also known as the Munich Putsch,[1] and, in German, as the Hitlerputsch or Hitler-Ludendorff-Putsch, was a failed coup attempt by the Nazi Party leader Adolf Hitler — along with Generalquartiermeister Erich Ludendorff and other Kampfbund leaders — to seize power in Munich, Bavaria, during 8–9 [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]November[/FONT] 1923. About two thousand men marched to the centre of Munich, where they confronted the police, which resulted in the death of 16 Nazis and four policemen.[1] Hitler himself was wounded.

After two days, Hitler was arrested and charged with treason.[2] From Hitler's perspective, there were three positive [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]benefits from this attempt to seize power unlawfully[/FONT]. First, the putsch brought Hitler to the attention of the German nation and generated front page headlines in newspapers around the world. His arrest was followed by a 24-day trial, which was widely publicized and gave Hitler a platform to publicize his nationalist sentiment to the nation. Hitler was found guilty of treason and sentenced to five years in Landsberg Prison.[3] The second benefit to Hitler was that he used his time in prison to produce Mein Kampf, which was dictated to his fellow prisoner, Rudolf Hess. On 20 December 1924, having served only nine months, Hitler was released.[4][5] The final benefit that accrued to Hitler was the [FONT style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: yellow"]insight that the path to power was through legitimate means. Revolution and anarchy was not the route to power[/FONT]. Accordingly, the most significant outcome of the putsch was a decision by Hitler to change NSDAP tactics, which would demand an increasing reliance on the development and furthering of Nazi propaganda.[6]

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No coverage except from a gossip site that TRUMP's fans kicked and dragged a protester out? (Original Post) UTUSN Nov 2015 OP
Had the exact same thought. octoberlib Nov 2015 #1
Godwin's Law no longer applies. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #2
Donald Trump Has Gone Full Nazi – And If The GOP Doesn’t Repudiate It They Own It napkinz Nov 2015 #11
I don't know CNN is reporting etherealtruth Nov 2015 #3
Well, O.K., I should expand my limited parameter of the O.P. to focus on the incident itself. UTUSN Nov 2015 #5
A quick google search yields many stories by reputable and biased reporting sources etherealtruth Nov 2015 #7
Well, the Gawker article is a rewrite from CNN. Brickbat Nov 2015 #4
You quote Gawker citing CNN as source. Bluenorthwest Nov 2015 #6
I saw it on the home page of the Washington Post: CharlotteVale Nov 2015 #8
Yeah, at this point, Godwin's out the window. Trump earned the mustache. backscatter712 Nov 2015 #9
Sincere thanks for focusing on the main point instead of my faulty framing!1 n/t UTUSN Nov 2015 #10
the word RETHUG fits! napkinz Nov 2015 #12
I guess it has become both inappropriate and counter productive to compare someone to Hitler. world wide wally Nov 2015 #13
I had qualms about the comparison but now don't. Clearly there is a difference in SCALE UTUSN Nov 2015 #15
The only reason is because of the Godwin meme. backscatter712 Nov 2015 #23
You know the M$M has no drive to help out democracy and transparency. Rex Nov 2015 #14
it was posted on yahoo's headlines nt msongs Nov 2015 #16
Maybe I should self-Delete this thread, since my narrow framing has become the focus UTUSN Nov 2015 #17
Start over to get the discussion you want to have etherealtruth Nov 2015 #19
Thanks for helping so much. n/t UTUSN Nov 2015 #21
You posted an OP title about coverage. voila, responses about coverage. msongs Nov 2015 #22
sue the shit out of them. spanone Nov 2015 #18
... napkinz Nov 2015 #20
ABC News covering it tonight ... Trump says " Maybe he should have been roughed up" napkinz Nov 2015 #24

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,732 posts)
2. Godwin's Law no longer applies.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:12 PM
Nov 2015

Trump really is like Hitler. The comparison is not frivolous in the least, not any more.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
11. Donald Trump Has Gone Full Nazi – And If The GOP Doesn’t Repudiate It They Own It
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:56 PM
Nov 2015

November 20, 2015

If the Republican Party is ever going to wake up and shut down this misanthropic racist it had better be now. Donald Trump’s latest hateful howling has crossed a line of indecency that is impossible to ignore. And Godwin be damned, he is articulating Nazi rhetoric on a scale not seen since the originals.

Just yesterday Trump told Yahoo News that he would support the development of databases and other systems to track and monitor people in the United States on the basis of their religion. He did not rule out forcing Muslims to have identifying papers or badges. Perhaps he would make them wear a star and crescent in the manner that Hitler’s Nazis made Jews wear the Star of David. From Yahoo: “We’re going to have to — we’re going to have to look at a lot of things very closely,” Trump said when presented with the idea. “We’re going to have to look at the mosques. We’re going to have to look very, very carefully.”

This grotesque policy position fits nicely with his prior statement that he believes it may be necessary to close mosques in America. He said that “there’s absolutely no choice” because “some really bad things are happening.” Apparently one of the “really bad things” isn’t the assault on our Constitution’s First Amendment guaranteeing freedom of religion. But that’s not all, Trump also told Yahoo News that ...

"We’re going to have to do things that we never did before. And some people are going to be upset about it, but I think that now everybody is feeling that security is going to rule,” Trump said. “And certain things will be done that we never thought would happen in this country in terms of information and learning about the enemy. And so we’re going to have to do certain things that were frankly unthinkable a year ago.”

read more: http://www.newscorpse.com/ncWP/?p=30188

UTUSN

(70,706 posts)
5. Well, O.K., I should expand my limited parameter of the O.P. to focus on the incident itself.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:23 PM
Nov 2015

Not that CNN amounts to sweeping media coverage these days. Or here at DU, either.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. You quote Gawker citing CNN as source.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:27 PM
Nov 2015

What is interesting to me is that it is not being discussed much on DU.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
13. I guess it has become both inappropriate and counter productive to compare someone to Hitler.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:19 PM
Nov 2015

So I won't compare Trump to Hitler.
But I would be stupid not to see that Trump is simply. another Nazi in another country in another time.
What started as a mildly amusing clown show is quickly turning into a horror show with clowns straight out of a Stephen King novel, and Trump is leading the march

UTUSN

(70,706 posts)
15. I had qualms about the comparison but now don't. Clearly there is a difference in SCALE
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:30 PM
Nov 2015

as far as the putsch goes (2000 violent thugs in one place), although since the "non-violent" TRUMP fans at the rallies have not objected, maybe the scale isn't that different.

What bothers me even more than the acquiescence of his fans is that TRUMP has achieved deference and credibility among his media interviewers.

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
23. The only reason is because of the Godwin meme.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 03:29 PM
Nov 2015

Godwin's law really only applies to inappropriate comparisons. It came about when Unix neckbeards back in the 80's would have Usenet flamewars about which text editor is better: vi or emacs, and of course the argument would get heated enough that someone would lose their shit and call the other side Nazis or Hitler.

It doesn't apply when the comparison fits. Trump's drumming up bigotry against Muslims and Latinos. He wants to force all Muslims in the U.S. to register with the government and carry special badges. He just today said he'd bring back waterboarding. And his campaign rallies look like they came straight out of Nuremberg.

If the mustache fits...

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
14. You know the M$M has no drive to help out democracy and transparency.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:21 PM
Nov 2015

If anything, they've been going the oppostie direction since the pay-for CNN/Sucknews showed up.

UTUSN

(70,706 posts)
17. Maybe I should self-Delete this thread, since my narrow framing has become the focus
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:42 PM
Nov 2015

and has been pointed out multiple times.

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