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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAside from DU, what one news source would you recommend to a friend?
If you could only recommend one news source to a progressive friend, which one would you?
I suggested The Guardian UK
Any others?
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)NPR -- radio and website.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I live where petroleum is a huge part of the economy, and my local NPR station NEVER mentions financial support from petroleum companies or any individuals involved with the petroleum industry. And, NPR's coverage of the petroleum industry is logical and objective.
However, I recognize that a lot of DUers are under the impression that they would be able to live their current in the total absence of fossil fuels. Um... yeah.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Defending tax-exempt profits? Taking pride in predatory practices by the oil companies?
Yeah, I would be fascinated in hearing that on NPR.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Gosh 3 min search. It's a from 2012 but I heard another one just recently.
I am sure a little digging will bring all sorts of examples to surface. Why don't you look for a change.
"Public Media" Joins "Gang Greens" in Colluding With Frackers
http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/7179:public-media-joins-gang-greens-in-colluding-with-frackers
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Not great fodder for an argument about objectivity.
Just a couple of things that we have learned since 2012:
1) Near-surface groundwater contamination by fracking is extremely rare -- far less frequent than contamination by things like dairy farming
2) Fracking did get us to the brink of energy independence before the Saudis started dumping cheap petroleum on the market.
3) Natural gas is the cleanest burning carbon-based fuel with no exceptions.
4) The lack of dependence on Middle East petroleum kept us out of armed conflict in a number of countries in turmoil and gave us tremendous leverage with the Iranians in our nuclear accord.
So, NPR was correct, and Maura Stevens of TruthOut was wrong.
Again, NPR comes through as a credible news source despite not bathing us in the left-wing talking that we so deeply crave.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)So fracking is now awesome?
BTW thats just one article. NPR has dozens out there PRO Fracking, PRO Oil, Pro TPP etc. A better term is National Propaganda Radio. A bought and paid for subsidiary of Koch Enterprises.
But considering who your candidate is it's understandable.
Post 42 says it perfectly
"NPR and PBS are Fox News for people who think they are too intelligent for Fox News."
And you like NPR.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Thank god DU is not representative of anything.
MADem
(135,425 posts)That site is a mockery of itself because they have shitty writers who don't do proper research.
It's all hot-breathed bullshit. They hurt the causes they purport to support.
There have been times that I have read that site and wondered if it was, in fact, a wingnut disinfo project designed to make us look like morons.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and almost the entire right wing imagine NPR to be hopelessly corrupted. It is still -- by far -- one of the most ethical and responsible news sources we have. For only one news source, I would recommend NPR for radio, or in spite of its faults the New York Times for on-line or print. (In spite of its satisfactions for those who come here, it would not occur to me to recommend DU.)
Good luck in trying to discuss specific issues, Buzz Clik. For dogmatists who live in a black and white world, there are not typically many problems that must somehow be addressed together, much less various viable solutions to problems, all with their own benefits and tradeoffs -- and all prone to frequent change. There is only what they want to believe and thus know to be true -- MUCH simpler that way.
Hekate
(90,837 posts)...and info to the contrary is proof of bias.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Hmm, I thought they were a national contributor.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)They're a major contributor to stations on the coast. I hear a plug for them at least every hour and I listen to a lot of NPR when travelling.
Interesting that it's not a national contribution from them.
MADem
(135,425 posts)People think plastic grows on trees! LOL....
hunter
(38,328 posts)There are certain issues NPR will not touch, and they lean right, like all major U.S. news media.
The BBC is often equally frustrating, but at least they have more international content and diverse perspectives.
Both are heavily influenced by big money.
I even have trouble with the Guardian U.K.
DU isn't an actual news source but members here often dig up important news and opinion that you won't find in mass media.
The worst thing about DU is how often it reflects television news. Television news is worthless, and most is pure propaganda, it doesn't matter where it comes from. Anybody whose major "news source" is television is at best is misinformed, and in the case of "Fox News" and most local news stations, a willing consumer of vile propaganda.
To be a well informed person requires one know the biases of their news sources. I don't think news can be accurately reported except by the written word, a thousand words or more, perhaps with a few pictures and videos, but probably not. The most primitive parts of our human minds don't seem to recognize that video isn't always a true representation of reality, and that video can be used in very manipulative ways.
It also helps if one is multi-lingual. Alas, I'm not, beyond some slight reading skills, but I have friends and family who are thoroughly multilingual. I can read and write my "native tongue" English well enough, but my speaking and listening skills are some sort of aphasic autistic spectrum atrocious. I don't hear what people say unless I'm focused. A great source of trouble in my half-century plus living in this civilization, the one I was born into by some cosmic accident, as we all are.
While watching television alone I turn the sound down low or off, with subtitles or closed captioning on. Subtitles and closed captioning have improved my movie and television experience immensely.
I entered kindergarten knowing how to read and write. I don't remember not knowing how to read, but I do painfully remember not talking.
Second grade I was reading at sixth grade plus level. I spent classroom reading and writing time, kindergarten through third grade, away from my classmates, with the school speech therapist. I was a little freak. On a good day for the speech therapist I'd tell her stories about one of my obsessions, hopefully about radio and telephone electronics, or insects, and not about picking at scabs and ingrown hairs, or playing with knives and fire. Nevertheless, my knife and fire scars, even as an adult, are the wellspring for many stories I have.
I don't watch any commercial television or listen to any commercial radio. I do have a television, but it is strictly a movie player. I don't see many television commercials except a few posted here on DU, and occasionally visiting family who watch sports. When I am exposed to it, my initial reaction is usually...
Who are these people and why should I care?
Oliver Sacks
What was going on? A roar of laughter from the aphasia ward, just as the Presidents speech was starting, and the patients had all been so eager to hear the President speak.
There he was, the old charmer, the actor with his practiced rhetoric, his histrionics, his emotional appealand all the patients were convulsed with laughter. Well, not all: some looked bewildered, some looked outraged, one or two looked apprehensive, but most looked amused. The President is generally thought to be a moving speakerbut he was moving them, apparently, mainly to laughter. What could they be thinking? Were they failing to understand him? Or did they, perhaps, understand him all too well?
It was often said of these patients, who though intelligent had the severest receptive aphasia, rendering them incapable of understanding words as such, that they nonetheless understood most of what was said to them. Their friends, their relatives, the nurses who knew them well, could hardly believe, sometimes, that they were aphasic. This was because, when addressed naturally, they grasped some or most of the meaning. And one does speak naturally, naturally.
Thus to demonstrate their aphasia, one had to go to extraordinary lengths, as a neurologist, to speak and behave unnaturally, to remove all the extraverbal cuestone of voice, intonation, suggestive emphasis or inflection, as well as all visual cues (ones expressions, ones gestures, ones entire, largely unconscious, personal repertoire and posture). One had to remove all of this (which might involve total concealment of ones person, and total depersonalization of ones voice, even to use a computerized voice synthesizer) in order to reduce speech to pure words, speech totally devoid of what Frege called tone-color (Klangenfarben) or evocation. With the most sensitive patients, it was only with such a grossly artificial, mechanical speech, somewhat like that of the computers in Star Trek, that one could be wholly sure of their aphasia.
--more--
http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1985/aug/15/the-presidents-speech
I saw Ronald Reagan in his second term, a Very Big Event someone had gained me entrance to.
I witnessed a confused old man who didn't know where the hell he was or what he was doing there, entirely controlled by his handlers. But Reagan's acting skills kicked in, he read his lines with great actor sincerity, and that's what everyone saw on television news.
My faith in the U.S.A. political machine died a little more that day.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Don't listen.
But you have convinced me that you prefer to hear only comments within your comfort zone. Which is okay. It's why Fox News exists and has been a commercial success.
I like my news to be completely objective.
hunter
(38,328 posts)NPR and PBS are Fox News for people who think they are too intelligent for Fox News.
They always have been.
The listeners of Prairie Home Companion are the ones seeking comfort.
Most Bernie Sanders supporters are the ones seeking comfort.
My own politics are both radical and highly objective.
I'm not seeking any kind of comfort.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)DU is not a "news source" I would recommend to anyone.
Google news can be tailored by topic and source. If you need one news portal it's the best.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)nt
Corey_Baker08
(2,157 posts)SamKnause
(13,110 posts)Archived all the way back to February 1996.
Democracy Now also airs on Link TV.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)Democracy Now is what journalism everywhere should be.
HuckleB
(35,773 posts)The Guardian is a good source. Al Jazeera, BBC, CBC, ... one really has to check multiple sources in this day and age, however.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)Just kidding. I like the BBC.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)Probably the best daily in the world.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Any opinion about The Guardian?
Most people who appreciate the NYT have trouble with the "objectivity" of The Guardian.
Yorktown
(2,884 posts)even rebound links don't carry me there
randome
(34,845 posts)Josh Marshall is the publisher but has a lot of level-headed reporters under his wing.
DU and TPM are really all I need.
northoftheborder
(7,574 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)The BBC still has the cojones. Their cotillion reportage is really very good.
Good thread!
R&K
drray23
(7,637 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)cally
(21,596 posts)I look at our local paper and local alternative paper, the Guardian, DU LBN, Telesur English (http://www.telesurtv.net/english/), and scan one major paper
JI7
(89,276 posts)I agree with others on bbc
Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)If the news is which DU member was butt hurt today because someone disagreed with their candidate, then I guess this is the place for that sort of news.
BootinUp
(47,197 posts)but I feel it has dropped off in recent years.
blue neen
(12,328 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)not necessarily breaking news.
BootinUp
(47,197 posts)herding cats
(19,568 posts)My morning reads are The Guardian, BBC News and Crooks and Liars. Then I hit the AP to see how it measures up.
I used to rely on LBN, but not so much ATM. I share some things in there once in a while, but I find interest in what's taking place across the globe to be lacking currently.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)2naSalit
(86,808 posts)back several years ago when I lived on the other side of the mountains for a spell, CBC was one of a couple stations I could access from there and I found it to be better than NPR... but that was in 2005. I confess I don't listen to it now but it's probably still better than NPR.
TheFarS1de
(1,017 posts)All sources have their own bent . The only way to be sure is to read multiple stories and come to your own conclusion .
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)bitter, miserable bunch of commenters vs. the NYT and WAPO. What is with the English? They are just so negative.
Dem2
(8,168 posts)burrowowl
(17,653 posts)The Nation, Reporters Consortium (Consortiumnews.com, The Guardian, Le Monde, Aljazeera on cable, BuzzFlash, etc.
Steven the Somnolent
(36 posts)(I admit I don't read newspapers anymore, except for their online additions.)
DFW
(54,445 posts)Those are my main three sources.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)and subscribe to those papers' twitter feeds.
You'll find other stuff from there.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)I like to read around in the foreign English press and state propaganda organs. When I find one that is good on certain subjects, I keep an eye on it. Usually there are a half-dozen sites on my list, British, German, Russian, Chinese, and a lot of Middle Eastern sources, but there is not just one.
And you have to use aggregators like Google News, Yahoo News, etc.
And this one is awesome if you don't need pictures and icons and all that shit: http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/
BainsBane
(53,072 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)I ban FAUX (FOX) and CNN is not far behind.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Teddy "Big Stick" Roosevelt was a "progressive."
I advise reading a wide variety of papers, and avoiding the obviously partisan outliers on either side of the spectrum--buh bye to the Breitbarts and Counterpunches, hello to all the stuff in-between, with a jaundiced eye, of course. If you know that, say, Daily Mail leans right, and Guardian leans left, you know what you're getting. If they both say the same thing, it's probably half way true.
BeyondGeography
(39,383 posts)Channel 375 on DirecTV. Unfortunately, Link TV can be hard to come by.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Hekate
(90,837 posts)When MSNBC and CNN are in hysteria and running tape-loops, NPR is doing in-depth reporting about a whole lot of things.
Someone mentioned The Guardian -- I generally enjoy the links posted here. I live in SoCal, and find the LA Times still gives value.
I don't use just one source.