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Aside from DU, what one news source would you recommend to a friend? (Original Post) NightWatcher Nov 2015 OP
The Guardian UK is far better than any US-based source arcane1 Nov 2015 #1
First of all, not DU. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #2
Yes...National Petroleum Radio is always a good source. Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #22
National Public Radio. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #38
You should hear some of the Pro oil, Pro TPP stories I hear off of it then. Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #40
Pro-oil? You mean like justifying the Deep Horizon incident? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #41
You mean stuff like this? Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #43
Hm. Damning condemnation in an editorial from someone with an an anti-petrofuel agenda Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #44
Lol..."Left wing" Katashi_itto Nov 2015 #45
I am leaning toward Sanders. So .... what? Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #48
Truth OUT means the truth is the first thing to be tossed OUT when formulating a POV. MADem Nov 2015 #58
In spite of attempts to influence it, only both left-wing extremists Hortensis Nov 2015 #59
+1 Buzz Clik. Some (well, a lot) people want to hear their opinions confirmed.... Hekate Nov 2015 #62
You've never heard a Koch Industries plug on NPR? Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #52
I have not. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #55
Ok , I hear it all the time on NPR on the east coast from FL through NY. Cassiopeia Nov 2015 #60
As their petroleum based keyboards melt away under their fingers!! MADem Nov 2015 #56
NPR is bought. I find them extremely frustrating to listen to. hunter Nov 2015 #29
yawn. Another "NPR has gone to the dark side" screed. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #37
You are entirely wrong about me and my "comfort zone." hunter Nov 2015 #42
Lol whut? rjsquirrel Nov 2015 #3
AlJazeeraAmerica. grntuscarora Nov 2015 #4
Just Found The Channel This Morning... Corey_Baker08 Nov 2015 #15
The Democracy Now website is a treasure trove of information. SamKnause Nov 2015 #5
I second that. It's the best for in depth news stories. eom Cleita Nov 2015 #10
I'll third that! tabasco Nov 2015 #47
DU is for discussion, not news. HuckleB Nov 2015 #6
Check out these links. Rex Nov 2015 #7
Breitbart is pretty good. Nye Bevan Nov 2015 #8
NYT Yorktown Nov 2015 #9
Good call. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #50
I fear I never look at The Guardian Yorktown Nov 2015 #63
TalkingPointsMemo.com. randome Nov 2015 #11
Common Dreams northoftheborder Nov 2015 #12
I agree with Guardian, and nominate Auntie Beeb. longship Nov 2015 #13
BBC news is a good one.nt. drray23 Nov 2015 #14
I like the BBC etherealtruth Nov 2015 #16
Telesur, the Guardian, and local paper cally Nov 2015 #17
i would not recommend DU as a news source to anyone JI7 Nov 2015 #18
DU a news source? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA Generic Brad Nov 2015 #19
There was a time when the Latest Breaking News forum was actually damn good BootinUp Nov 2015 #20
It has never been the same since we lost Khephra. blue neen Nov 2015 #28
Agree with others - The Guardian, Telesur and Democracy Now - for in-depth stories, polly7 Nov 2015 #21
In addition to others mentioned, I like Crooks and Liars. nt BootinUp Nov 2015 #23
I like them, too. herding cats Nov 2015 #24
Raw Story is pretty good. backscatter712 Nov 2015 #25
RT.com Purveyor Nov 2015 #26
CBC was good 2naSalit Nov 2015 #27
Only your own judgement . TheFarS1de Nov 2015 #30
The Guardian is good for news, but I have never seen a more smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #31
reddit Dem2 Nov 2015 #32
CommonDreams burrowowl Nov 2015 #33
BBC World Steven the Somnolent Nov 2015 #34
ARD, ZDF, WDR DFW Nov 2015 #35
Pick 10 foreign countries you know little about, find their highest circulation English newspapers Recursion Nov 2015 #36
There is no one source. bemildred Nov 2015 #39
DU isn't a news source BainsBane Nov 2015 #46
It comes closer to being a source of disinformation than news. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #49
If I can't corroborated news, I don't trust the news liberal N proud Nov 2015 #51
"Progressive" friend...or "liberal" friend? The terms do sometimes coincide, but not always. MADem Nov 2015 #53
Deutsche Welle and France 24 on Link TV BeyondGeography Nov 2015 #54
I read Radley Balco daily. At the Washington Post. nt Logical Nov 2015 #57
Not DU. Sadly the days of Kephra are gone. National Public Radio does a good job... Hekate Nov 2015 #61
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
38. National Public Radio.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:03 AM
Nov 2015

I live where petroleum is a huge part of the economy, and my local NPR station NEVER mentions financial support from petroleum companies or any individuals involved with the petroleum industry. And, NPR's coverage of the petroleum industry is logical and objective.

However, I recognize that a lot of DUers are under the impression that they would be able to live their current in the total absence of fossil fuels. Um... yeah.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
41. Pro-oil? You mean like justifying the Deep Horizon incident?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:56 AM
Nov 2015

Defending tax-exempt profits? Taking pride in predatory practices by the oil companies?

Yeah, I would be fascinated in hearing that on NPR.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
43. You mean stuff like this?
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:43 PM
Nov 2015

Gosh 3 min search. It's a from 2012 but I heard another one just recently.

I am sure a little digging will bring all sorts of examples to surface. Why don't you look for a change.

"Public Media" Joins "Gang Greens" in Colluding With Frackers

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/7179:public-media-joins-gang-greens-in-colluding-with-frackers

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
44. Hm. Damning condemnation in an editorial from someone with an an anti-petrofuel agenda
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:58 PM
Nov 2015

Not great fodder for an argument about objectivity.

Just a couple of things that we have learned since 2012:
1) Near-surface groundwater contamination by fracking is extremely rare -- far less frequent than contamination by things like dairy farming
2) Fracking did get us to the brink of energy independence before the Saudis started dumping cheap petroleum on the market.
3) Natural gas is the cleanest burning carbon-based fuel with no exceptions.
4) The lack of dependence on Middle East petroleum kept us out of armed conflict in a number of countries in turmoil and gave us tremendous leverage with the Iranians in our nuclear accord.

So, NPR was correct, and Maura Stevens of TruthOut was wrong.

Again, NPR comes through as a credible news source despite not bathing us in the left-wing talking that we so deeply crave.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
45. Lol..."Left wing"
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:32 PM
Nov 2015

So fracking is now awesome?

BTW thats just one article. NPR has dozens out there PRO Fracking, PRO Oil, Pro TPP etc. A better term is National Propaganda Radio. A bought and paid for subsidiary of Koch Enterprises.

But considering who your candidate is it's understandable.


Post 42 says it perfectly

"NPR and PBS are Fox News for people who think they are too intelligent for Fox News."

And you like NPR.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. Truth OUT means the truth is the first thing to be tossed OUT when formulating a POV.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:08 PM
Nov 2015

That site is a mockery of itself because they have shitty writers who don't do proper research.

It's all hot-breathed bullshit. They hurt the causes they purport to support.

There have been times that I have read that site and wondered if it was, in fact, a wingnut disinfo project designed to make us look like morons.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
59. In spite of attempts to influence it, only both left-wing extremists
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:36 PM
Nov 2015

and almost the entire right wing imagine NPR to be hopelessly corrupted. It is still -- by far -- one of the most ethical and responsible news sources we have. For only one news source, I would recommend NPR for radio, or in spite of its faults the New York Times for on-line or print. (In spite of its satisfactions for those who come here, it would not occur to me to recommend DU.)

Good luck in trying to discuss specific issues, Buzz Clik. For dogmatists who live in a black and white world, there are not typically many problems that must somehow be addressed together, much less various viable solutions to problems, all with their own benefits and tradeoffs -- and all prone to frequent change. There is only what they want to believe and thus know to be true -- MUCH simpler that way.


Hekate

(90,837 posts)
62. +1 Buzz Clik. Some (well, a lot) people want to hear their opinions confirmed....
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 03:50 PM
Nov 2015

...and info to the contrary is proof of bias.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
60. Ok , I hear it all the time on NPR on the east coast from FL through NY.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:46 PM
Nov 2015

They're a major contributor to stations on the coast. I hear a plug for them at least every hour and I listen to a lot of NPR when travelling.

Interesting that it's not a national contribution from them.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
56. As their petroleum based keyboards melt away under their fingers!!
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:05 PM
Nov 2015

People think plastic grows on trees! LOL....

hunter

(38,328 posts)
29. NPR is bought. I find them extremely frustrating to listen to.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:46 PM
Nov 2015

There are certain issues NPR will not touch, and they lean right, like all major U.S. news media.

The BBC is often equally frustrating, but at least they have more international content and diverse perspectives.

Both are heavily influenced by big money.

I even have trouble with the Guardian U.K.

DU isn't an actual news source but members here often dig up important news and opinion that you won't find in mass media.

The worst thing about DU is how often it reflects television news. Television news is worthless, and most is pure propaganda, it doesn't matter where it comes from. Anybody whose major "news source" is television is at best is misinformed, and in the case of "Fox News" and most local news stations, a willing consumer of vile propaganda.

To be a well informed person requires one know the biases of their news sources. I don't think news can be accurately reported except by the written word, a thousand words or more, perhaps with a few pictures and videos, but probably not. The most primitive parts of our human minds don't seem to recognize that video isn't always a true representation of reality, and that video can be used in very manipulative ways.

It also helps if one is multi-lingual. Alas, I'm not, beyond some slight reading skills, but I have friends and family who are thoroughly multilingual. I can read and write my "native tongue" English well enough, but my speaking and listening skills are some sort of aphasic autistic spectrum atrocious. I don't hear what people say unless I'm focused. A great source of trouble in my half-century plus living in this civilization, the one I was born into by some cosmic accident, as we all are.

While watching television alone I turn the sound down low or off, with subtitles or closed captioning on. Subtitles and closed captioning have improved my movie and television experience immensely.

I entered kindergarten knowing how to read and write. I don't remember not knowing how to read, but I do painfully remember not talking.

Second grade I was reading at sixth grade plus level. I spent classroom reading and writing time, kindergarten through third grade, away from my classmates, with the school speech therapist. I was a little freak. On a good day for the speech therapist I'd tell her stories about one of my obsessions, hopefully about radio and telephone electronics, or insects, and not about picking at scabs and ingrown hairs, or playing with knives and fire. Nevertheless, my knife and fire scars, even as an adult, are the wellspring for many stories I have.

I don't watch any commercial television or listen to any commercial radio. I do have a television, but it is strictly a movie player. I don't see many television commercials except a few posted here on DU, and occasionally visiting family who watch sports. When I am exposed to it, my initial reaction is usually...



Who are these people and why should I care?

The President’s Speech

Oliver Sacks

What was going on? A roar of laughter from the aphasia ward, just as the President’s speech was starting, and the patients had all been so eager to hear the President speak.

There he was, the old charmer, the actor with his practiced rhetoric, his histrionics, his emotional appeal—and all the patients were convulsed with laughter. Well, not all: some looked bewildered, some looked outraged, one or two looked apprehensive, but most looked amused. The President is generally thought to be a moving speaker—but he was moving them, apparently, mainly to laughter. What could they be thinking? Were they failing to understand him? Or did they, perhaps, understand him all too well?

It was often said of these patients, who though intelligent had the severest receptive aphasia, rendering them incapable of understanding words as such, that they nonetheless understood most of what was said to them. Their friends, their relatives, the nurses who knew them well, could hardly believe, sometimes, that they were aphasic. This was because, when addressed naturally, they grasped some or most of the meaning. And one does speak “naturally,” naturally.

Thus to demonstrate their aphasia, one had to go to extraordinary lengths, as a neurologist, to speak and behave unnaturally, to remove all the extraverbal cues—tone of voice, intonation, suggestive emphasis or inflection, as well as all visual cues (one’s expressions, one’s gestures, one’s entire, largely unconscious, personal repertoire and posture). One had to remove all of this (which might involve total concealment of one’s person, and total depersonalization of one’s voice, even to use a computerized voice synthesizer) in order to reduce speech to pure words, speech totally devoid of what Frege called “tone-color” (Klangenfarben) or “evocation.” With the most sensitive patients, it was only with such a grossly artificial, mechanical speech, somewhat like that of the computers in Star Trek, that one could be wholly sure of their aphasia.

--more--

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/1985/aug/15/the-presidents-speech


I saw Ronald Reagan in his second term, a Very Big Event someone had gained me entrance to.

I witnessed a confused old man who didn't know where the hell he was or what he was doing there, entirely controlled by his handlers. But Reagan's acting skills kicked in, he read his lines with great actor sincerity, and that's what everyone saw on television news.

My faith in the U.S.A. political machine died a little more that day.
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
37. yawn. Another "NPR has gone to the dark side" screed.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 10:57 AM
Nov 2015

Don't listen.

But you have convinced me that you prefer to hear only comments within your comfort zone. Which is okay. It's why Fox News exists and has been a commercial success.

I like my news to be completely objective.

hunter

(38,328 posts)
42. You are entirely wrong about me and my "comfort zone."
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:18 PM
Nov 2015

NPR and PBS are Fox News for people who think they are too intelligent for Fox News.

They always have been.

The listeners of Prairie Home Companion are the ones seeking comfort.

Most Bernie Sanders supporters are the ones seeking comfort.

My own politics are both radical and highly objective.

I'm not seeking any kind of comfort.





 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
3. Lol whut?
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:33 PM
Nov 2015

DU is not a "news source" I would recommend to anyone.

Google news can be tailored by topic and source. If you need one news portal it's the best.

SamKnause

(13,110 posts)
5. The Democracy Now website is a treasure trove of information.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:36 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.democracynow.org

Archived all the way back to February 1996.

Democracy Now also airs on Link TV.

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
6. DU is for discussion, not news.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 07:37 PM
Nov 2015

The Guardian is a good source. Al Jazeera, BBC, CBC, ... one really has to check multiple sources in this day and age, however.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
50. Good call.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:48 PM
Nov 2015

Any opinion about The Guardian?

Most people who appreciate the NYT have trouble with the "objectivity" of The Guardian.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. TalkingPointsMemo.com.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:02 PM
Nov 2015

Josh Marshall is the publisher but has a lot of level-headed reporters under his wing.

DU and TPM are really all I need.

longship

(40,416 posts)
13. I agree with Guardian, and nominate Auntie Beeb.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:21 PM
Nov 2015

The BBC still has the cojones. Their cotillion reportage is really very good.

Good thread!
R&K

cally

(21,596 posts)
17. Telesur, the Guardian, and local paper
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 08:55 PM
Nov 2015

I look at our local paper and local alternative paper, the Guardian, DU LBN, Telesur English (http://www.telesurtv.net/english/), and scan one major paper

Generic Brad

(14,276 posts)
19. DU a news source? HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 09:54 PM
Nov 2015

If the news is which DU member was butt hurt today because someone disagreed with their candidate, then I guess this is the place for that sort of news.

BootinUp

(47,197 posts)
20. There was a time when the Latest Breaking News forum was actually damn good
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:00 PM
Nov 2015

but I feel it has dropped off in recent years.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
21. Agree with others - The Guardian, Telesur and Democracy Now - for in-depth stories,
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:04 PM
Nov 2015

not necessarily breaking news.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
24. I like them, too.
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 10:42 PM
Nov 2015

My morning reads are The Guardian, BBC News and Crooks and Liars. Then I hit the AP to see how it measures up.

I used to rely on LBN, but not so much ATM. I share some things in there once in a while, but I find interest in what's taking place across the globe to be lacking currently.


2naSalit

(86,808 posts)
27. CBC was good
Sat Nov 21, 2015, 11:37 PM
Nov 2015

back several years ago when I lived on the other side of the mountains for a spell, CBC was one of a couple stations I could access from there and I found it to be better than NPR... but that was in 2005. I confess I don't listen to it now but it's probably still better than NPR.

TheFarS1de

(1,017 posts)
30. Only your own judgement .
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:16 AM
Nov 2015

All sources have their own bent . The only way to be sure is to read multiple stories and come to your own conclusion .

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
31. The Guardian is good for news, but I have never seen a more
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 12:49 AM
Nov 2015

bitter, miserable bunch of commenters vs. the NYT and WAPO. What is with the English? They are just so negative.

burrowowl

(17,653 posts)
33. CommonDreams
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 01:37 AM
Nov 2015

The Nation, Reporters Consortium (Consortiumnews.com, The Guardian, Le Monde, Aljazeera on cable, BuzzFlash, etc.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
36. Pick 10 foreign countries you know little about, find their highest circulation English newspapers
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 08:27 AM
Nov 2015

and subscribe to those papers' twitter feeds.

You'll find other stuff from there.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
39. There is no one source.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 11:10 AM
Nov 2015

I like to read around in the foreign English press and state propaganda organs. When I find one that is good on certain subjects, I keep an eye on it. Usually there are a half-dozen sites on my list, British, German, Russian, Chinese, and a lot of Middle Eastern sources, but there is not just one.

And you have to use aggregators like Google News, Yahoo News, etc.

And this one is awesome if you don't need pictures and icons and all that shit: http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/

MADem

(135,425 posts)
53. "Progressive" friend...or "liberal" friend? The terms do sometimes coincide, but not always.
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:02 PM
Nov 2015

Teddy "Big Stick" Roosevelt was a "progressive."

I advise reading a wide variety of papers, and avoiding the obviously partisan outliers on either side of the spectrum--buh bye to the Breitbarts and Counterpunches, hello to all the stuff in-between, with a jaundiced eye, of course. If you know that, say, Daily Mail leans right, and Guardian leans left, you know what you're getting. If they both say the same thing, it's probably half way true.

BeyondGeography

(39,383 posts)
54. Deutsche Welle and France 24 on Link TV
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 02:03 PM
Nov 2015

Channel 375 on DirecTV. Unfortunately, Link TV can be hard to come by.

Hekate

(90,837 posts)
61. Not DU. Sadly the days of Kephra are gone. National Public Radio does a good job...
Sun Nov 22, 2015, 03:40 PM
Nov 2015

When MSNBC and CNN are in hysteria and running tape-loops, NPR is doing in-depth reporting about a whole lot of things.

Someone mentioned The Guardian -- I generally enjoy the links posted here. I live in SoCal, and find the LA Times still gives value.

I don't use just one source.

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