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BootinUp

(47,179 posts)
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 06:17 PM Nov 2015

The tiny pill fueling Syria’s war and turning fighters into superhuman soldiers

A tiny, highly addictive pill produced in Syria and widely available across the Middle East, its illegal sale funnels hundreds of millions of dollars back into the war-torn country's black-market economy each year, likely giving militias access to new arms, fighters and the ability to keep the conflict boiling, according to the Guardian.

“Syria is a tremendous problem in that it’s a collapsed security sector, because of its porous borders, because of the presence of so many criminal elements and organized networks,” the U.N. Office on Drugs and Crime (UNDOC) regional representative, Masood Karimipour, told Voice of America. “There’s a great deal of trafficking being done of all sorts of illicit goods — guns, drugs, money, people. But what is being manufactured there and who is doing the manufacturing, that’s not something we have visibility into from a distance.”

A powerful amphetamine tablet based on the original synthetic drug known as "fenethylline," Captagon quickly produces a euphoric intensity in users, allowing Syria's fighters to stay up for days, killing with a numb, reckless abandon.

"You can't sleep or even close your eyes, forget about it," said a Lebanese user, one of three who appeared on camera without their names for a BBC Arabic documentary that aired in September. "And whatever you take to stop it, nothing can stop it."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/19/the-tiny-pill-fueling-syrias-war-and-turning-fighters-into-super-human-soldiers/

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The tiny pill fueling Syria’s war and turning fighters into superhuman soldiers (Original Post) BootinUp Nov 2015 OP
And guess who just got busted for having two tons of it in his private plane? KamaAina Nov 2015 #1
Good catch flamingdem Nov 2015 #12
With friends like that... KamaAina Nov 2015 #14
Well, of course, the House of Saud. Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #15
Special Ops Idea Z_California Nov 2015 #2
no, no, no...that will not help. better to give them a powerfull opiate and put them to sleep. magical thyme Nov 2015 #3
That would mean speed to keep them fighting during battles Warpy Nov 2015 #6
the idea is to replace the speed with the opiates. there is no speed in between. they take the wrong magical thyme Nov 2015 #7
It's beyond naive to think they won't be able to tell the difference Warpy Nov 2015 #9
offs, the whole line of just replace the drug with another drug was a joke. magical thyme Nov 2015 #13
+1 callous taoboy Nov 2015 #4
Meanwhile, some of those "Captagon" tablets were analyzed in Saudi Arabian labs that Warpy Nov 2015 #5
Star Trek's Jem H'dar. daleo Nov 2015 #21
Great. Just what we need. Psychopathic terrorists on speed. smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #8
This just screams CIA operation 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #10
Yes, its definitely the CIA. It's always the CIA maxsolomon Nov 2015 #16
You got that right 951-Riverside Nov 2015 #17
So your theory maxsolomon Nov 2015 #19
"When Captain Assyria throws his mighty shield…" Efilroft Sul Nov 2015 #11
Great. So now they're the freaking Jem'Hadar... petronius Nov 2015 #18
Reminds me of when we gave out Provigil to our guys NightWatcher Nov 2015 #20
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
1. And guess who just got busted for having two tons of it in his private plane?
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:04 PM
Nov 2015

That's right, a Saudi prince!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027288853

You don't suppose... naaaah, it couldn't be. They're among our staunchest allies!

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
3. no, no, no...that will not help. better to give them a powerfull opiate and put them to sleep.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:49 PM
Nov 2015

literally sound asleep, or too groggy to care any more. Pacify.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
6. That would mean speed to keep them fighting during battles
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:52 PM
Nov 2015

and opiates to knock them out between them. They'd be a lot less effective--and psychotic--on that combination.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
7. the idea is to replace the speed with the opiates. there is no speed in between. they take the wrong
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:55 PM
Nov 2015

pill...sleep. take more of the wrong pill...sleep more.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
9. It's beyond naive to think they won't be able to tell the difference
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:58 PM
Nov 2015

between junk tabs and the meth tabs being produced in Syira.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
13. offs, the whole line of just replace the drug with another drug was a joke.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:02 PM
Nov 2015

it's beyond naive to think we were proposing serious operations

it's manufactured in unknown places in Syria and apparently is easy to make from legal ingredients. no way those operations are shut down.

Warpy

(111,332 posts)
5. Meanwhile, some of those "Captagon" tablets were analyzed in Saudi Arabian labs that
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:51 PM
Nov 2015

found 49% of them to be methamphetamine, far worse than fenethylline ever was. It's a great strategy, get your fighters addicted to meth and they'll never stop fighting, just to keep their supply. It explains a lot about the pathology within the group.

It's also sowing the seeds of their total destruction as it ages bodies quickly.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
8. Great. Just what we need. Psychopathic terrorists on speed.
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:57 PM
Nov 2015

What a nightmare. However, this can't be good for them long term. Most addictive drugs destroyer users sooner or later, let's hope it's sooner in this case.

 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
10. This just screams CIA operation
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 07:58 PM
Nov 2015

The CIA is notorious for testing various drugs on people and I'm sure these guys are just test subjects but we'll probably see US troops on these pills in 5 years depending on how this test goes.

Captagon quickly produces a euphoric intensity in users, allowing Syria's fighters to stay up for days, killing with a numb, reckless abandon.


Seems to me, "someone" is testing to see if they can eliminate PTSD in warzones.
 

951-Riverside

(7,234 posts)
17. You got that right
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 08:18 PM
Nov 2015



Little Blue Pills Among the Ways CIA Wins Friends in Afghanistan

The Afghan chieftain looked older than his 60-odd years, and his bearded face bore the creases of a man burdened with duties as tribal patriarch and husband to four younger women. His visitor, a CIA officer, saw an opportunity, and reached into his bag for a small gift.

Four blue pills. Viagra.

"Take one of these. You'll love it," the officer said. Compliments of Uncle Sam.

The enticement worked. The officer, who described the encounter, returned four days later to an enthusiastic reception. The grinning chief offered up a bonanza of information about Taliban movements and supply routes -- followed by a request for more pills.

For U.S. intelligence officials, this is how some crucial battles in Afghanistan are fought and won. While the CIA has a long history of buying information with cash, the growing Taliban insurgency has prompted the use of novel incentives and creative bargaining to gain support in some of the country's roughest neighborhoods, according to officials directly involved in such operations.

In their efforts to win over notoriously fickle warlords and chieftains, the officials say, the agency's operatives have used a variety of personal services. These include pocketknives and tools, medicine or surgeries for ailing family members, toys and school equipment, tooth extractions, travel visas, and, occasionally, pharmaceutical enhancements for aging patriarchs with slumping libidos, the officials said.

"Whatever it takes to make friends and influence people -- whether it's building a school or handing out Viagra," said one longtime agency operative and veteran of several Afghanistan tours. Like other field officers interviewed for this article, he spoke on the condition of anonymity when describing tactics and operations that are largely classified.

Officials say these inducements are necessary in Afghanistan, a country where warlords and tribal leaders expect to be paid for their cooperation, and where, for some, switching sides can be as easy as changing tunics. If the Americans don't offer incentives, there are others who will, including Taliban commanders, drug dealers and even Iranian agents in the region.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/25/AR2008122500931.html



then there is the famous MKULTRA program

maxsolomon

(33,384 posts)
19. So your theory
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:01 PM
Nov 2015

is that the CIA is sending ISIL Captagon to see if it will work for US soldiers at some point in the future?

Or that we're getting the Sauds to smuggle it in?

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
20. Reminds me of when we gave out Provigil to our guys
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 09:06 PM
Nov 2015

Pilots on long haul bomber runs, special operators for extended days...

Those were great pills.

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