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linuxman
(2,337 posts)I was just reading here the other day how violent those folks are. Way more than Muslims, anyway. Safe bet, I'd say.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)
I forgot all about those monsters.
B2G
(9,766 posts)
sarisataka
(18,755 posts)if Mali is a resort, city or country and where is it...
When they find out I'd venture to say about half the population stops caring
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)
one_voice
(20,043 posts)all morning.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)how they can blame the US for it.
Hassin Bin Sober
(26,335 posts)
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Of all the moral precepts instilled in Buddhist monks the promise not to kill comes first, and the principle of non-violence is arguably more central to Buddhism than any other major religion. So why have monks been using hate speech against Muslims and joining mobs that have left dozens dead?
This is happening in two countries separated by well over 1,000 miles of Indian Ocean - Burma and Sri Lanka. It is puzzling because neither country is facing an Islamist militant threat. Muslims in both places are a generally peaceable and small minority.
In Sri Lanka, the issue of halal slaughter has been a flashpoint. Led by monks, members of the Bodu Bala Sena - the Buddhist Brigade - hold rallies, call for direct action and the boycotting of Muslim businesses, and rail against the size of Muslim families.
While no Muslims have been killed in Sri Lanka, the Burmese situation is far more serious. Here the antagonism is spearheaded by the 969 group, led by a monk, Ashin Wirathu, who was jailed in 2003 for inciting religious hatred. Released in 2012, he has referred to himself bizarrely as "the Burmese Bin Laden".
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)From the article...
"But aren't Buddhist monks meant to be the good guys of religion?
...(snip) But however any religion starts out, sooner or later it enters into a Faustian pact with state power. Buddhist monks looked to kings, the ultimate wielders of violence, for the support, patronage and order that only they could provide. Kings looked to monks to provide the popular legitimacy that only such a high moral vision can confer.
The result can seem ironic. If you have a strong sense of the overriding moral superiority of your worldview, then the need to protect and advance it can seem the most important duty of all.
Christian crusaders, Islamist militants, or the leaders of "freedom-loving nations", all justify what they see as necessary violence in the name of a higher good. Buddhist rulers and monks have been no exception."
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)and nothing to do with religion.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Nope. No religious tie ins at all.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. Quite the necessary fallacy for the dogmatic to continue validating their biases.
'Native Sons' by Greg Mann and 'Connections and Confrontations between the Tuareg' by Ashley Heacock may be of use should you decide to learn about both the region and the sources of the conflict.
However, should you decide to rest your case on a simply bit of bumper-sticker thinking, well... we all have the right to possess inaccurate opinions. 
linuxman
(2,337 posts)How silly of me.
It was the Christians who stormed the hotel while shouting Islamic phrases and killing innocent guests.
It's in keeping with their MO, after all.
FYI, you don't seem to know what that fallacy means. For what I typed to fit that particular fallacy, I'd have to be arguing that their chants of "allahu Akbar" caused the attack. I did not. I simply suggested that this indicated they were Islamists. Read more.
What do you think the reason behind that particular religious expression during the attack was? Bonus points for a straight answer.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Lest they be seen as criticizing Islam.
Every single one of our leaders takes great pains to distinguish between the two, but some seem to fail to acknowlege the distinction at all.
Which renders them completely unable to get worked up over attacks such as these. Their only reaction is to excuse it because, well, "Christians!", "The Crusades!", etc..
Which makes them part of the problem.
B2G
(9,766 posts)And Al Qaeda is centrol to the 'civil war' you talk about.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)Smart money is on LDS or maybe the Amish.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)The Buddhist nuns are more likely however.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)
trotsky
(49,533 posts)How many people died in that?
linuxman
(2,337 posts)where we invaded to spread Christianity, further christian belief, and establish christian rule.
You know, things that might have made it religious in nature.
One man justifies a war for oil by invoking God's name. "Crusade"
Every jihadist involved in a conflict espouses belief that they are fighting for Islam and to subjugate others unto it's laws: Secularist fighters! Islam wasn't even involved!
Yawn.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)by western intervention, and we want to remove Assad too.
We have been fooled by our own ignorance into spreading muslim extremism and enabling the slaughter of christians, secular muslims and minorities.
linuxman
(2,337 posts)It's a good point.
For a bunch of supposed crusaders, We've sure been diligent about eliminating secular leaders who embrace them from the middle east.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)Then you'll be able to figure whose interests were served by his escapade and our further interventions.
still_one
(92,372 posts)overthrew the Democratically elected government in the fifties, and put in the Shah.
I remember a speech I heard Wesley Clark give regarding a bombing that had missed the intended target, and killed innocent civilians. He said something to the effect, those that lost family members in that bombing would take at least a whole generation to work the hate they felt for the U.S. out. This was in reference to our involvement in Bosnia.
There are too many examples of American misadventures in our foreign policy which effectively were based on regime change. Sure, at time we called it the "domino effect" or other such names, but invading a country, and propping up oppressive regimes does not endear us to the populous in those countries
linuxman
(2,337 posts)I'm simply refuting that the Christian conquest and domination over islam was the goal of these or any wars launched by the USA.
still_one
(92,372 posts)caught in the middle of the bomb
B2G
(9,766 posts)Truly curious.
Lochloosa
(16,067 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)I view religious beliefs as a big part of MANY of our problems. Islam certainly gets most of the headlines today (and deservedly so) but Christianity has its share of awful, violent ideas too.
B2G
(9,766 posts)and not the Muslim jihadists who are the cause of this atrocity, which is the thread topic.
My mistake I guess.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)In other threads I have been called a bigoted Islamophobe.
I'm an equal-opportunity offender. 
B2G
(9,766 posts)Carry on. Lol.
Rex
(65,616 posts)"The revelation comes after Mr Bush launched an impassioned attack yesterday in Washington on Islamic militants, likening their ideology to that of Communism, and accusing them of seeking to "enslave whole nations" and set up a radical Islamic empire "that spans from Spain to Indonesia". In the programmeElusive Peace: Israel and the Arabs, which starts on Monday, the former Palestinian foreign minister Nabil Shaath says Mr Bush told him and Mahmoud Abbas, former prime minister and now Palestinian President: "I'm driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan.' And I did, and then God would tell me, 'George go and end the tyranny in Iraq,' and I did."
Thankfully the bumbling fool didn't get us all killed!
randys1
(16,286 posts)and we are the good guys, i.e. xtians, and the Muslims were the bad guys.
I know he made that one positive statement right after 911, but all of his actions were otherwise.
Rex
(65,616 posts)I mean, if there is a true hellhole of a dictatorship on this planet...NK is IT. I think it was pure pandering to his base, which ate it up like hotcakes.
His voting base could not wait for this new Crusade! Their bloodlust was palpable.
randys1
(16,286 posts)and I have often wondered if W is a conman liar or a real xtian.
Well, he is of course not a xtian AT ALL given his life and actions, but i do wonder if he is sincere in his belief.
Rex
(65,616 posts)He comes off imo as a total conman. Not even a good one either, just someone in love with power and control.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)and which side we are on, and who the good guys and bad guys are, is not as clear cut as the neocons made out.
Look at the results of their actions, not their rhetoric.
CJCRANE
(18,184 posts)leading to increased terrorism and a tsunami of migrants.
It's pretty much a self-inflicted crisis enabled by western leaders.
All the secular leaders who protected christians have been removed by western intervention.
Now christians, secular muslims and minorities are being wiped out by our proxies.
Our ignorance has been used against us, all the while we are helping to spread the extremism that we thought we were fighting.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)Tens of thousands of Muslims flee Christian militias in Central African Republic
Killings and atrocities continue as thousands flee to neighboring countries.
By Sudarsan Raghavan February 7, 2014
BANGUI, Central African Republic – Tens of thousands of Muslims are fleeing to neighboring countries by plane and truck as Christian militias stage brutal attacks, shattering the social fabric of this war-ravaged nation.
In towns and villages as well as here in the capital, Christian vigilantes wielding machetes have killed scores of Muslims, who are a minority here, and burned and looted their houses and mosques in recent days, according to witnesses, aid agencies and peacekeepers. Tens of thousands of Muslims have fled their homes.
The cycle of chaos is fast becoming one of the worst outbreaks of violence along Muslim-Christian fault lines in recent memory in sub-Saharan Africa, tensions that have also plagued countries such as Nigeria and Sudan.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/africa/tens-of-thousands-of-muslims-flee-christian-militias-in-central-african-republic/2014/02/07/5a1adbb2-9032-11e3-84e1-27626c5ef5fb_story.html
flamingdem
(39,319 posts)and that's a hotel that's part of a major chain.
It really does seem that Isis is inspiring their ilk to attack anything Western.
Bamako is also a cultural capital, lots of music and tourism.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)One imagines that many if not most of the foreigners in the hotel are French. 
still_one
(92,372 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,355 posts)Seven Algerians, reports AFP news agency
Six Americans, according to AP news agency
Five Turkish Airlines personnel, according to AP
12 Air France crew members
Two Russians, reports Russian news site Life
One Ivorian according to AP
Four Chinese, reports China state TV
There were also 20 Indians who were staying at a complex slightly separate from the main building who have all been reported as safe.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-africa-34815762
And a local site in French: http://maliactu.net/attaque-contre-le-radisson-de-bamako-outre-les-maliens-au-moins-14-nationalites-presentes/
says the above, plus 2 Germans, 4 Belgians (one of whom is known to have been killed), 1 Canadian, 2 Ivorians (not 1), 2 Spaniards, another 15 French, apart from the aircrew, 2 Moroccans, and a Senegalese.
