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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forumswhy cant liberals accept conservative values, policies and candidates?
cant we all just get along?
or is it just too important to roll over?
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)But we already have that.
trumad
(41,692 posts)Let me finish the bottle and maybe---just maybe I'll get this Op.
SamKnause
(13,108 posts)Conservatives have few values.
Conservatives have proven decade after decade that their policies are monumental failures.
I don't accept Conservative candidates because I disagree with them on every issue.
I don't want the U.S. to become a Corporate Theocracy.
WinkyDink
(51,311 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)It's the conservatives who are intolerant, hateful and uncompromising.
reddread
(6,896 posts)thanks
Throd
(7,208 posts)rocktivity
(44,576 posts)they're insane and anti-social.
rocktivy
nruthie
(466 posts)I would die before I accepted their "values". They have none. And no, we can't all get along.
trof
(54,256 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)but armed camps where the other side is evil.
Instead of a nuanced difference in how to achieve a policy goal, they take diametrically opposite solutions.
Think about it.
A core principal of Conservatism is individualism. The individual is king. Why did Conservatives decide, then, to say an individual being gay is an abomination in the sight of the lord while liberals champion being gay as being sacrosanct?
This was not always so.
The Equal Rights Act of 1964 could not have passed without Conservative, Republican votes. Democrats, most living the South, but many other elsewhere, would have killed equal rights on sight. Conservative votes saved it. That could not happen today.
Using the word, "rollover" is telling. We have government that requires compromise. We have reached a point where neither side can get anything done of substance unless they control the government. They refuse to compromise.
Half-Century Man
(5,279 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)because it's somebody's turn.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)the protection of the government is based on the morals of the person who needs protection rather than on the morality of protecting every citizen regardless of race, creed, gender, and religion or lack of.
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Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)You mean, the guy whose favorite phrase on his reality show is "You're fired"?
LOL
Manifestor_of_Light
(21,046 posts)They are radical. They run up huge debt, start wars and want fairy tale libertarian ideas. If you want libertarian anarchy, Somalia awaits.
kydo
(2,679 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)that applies to the problem.
PatrickforO
(14,578 posts)right back into the holes they crawled out of. Like happened in 1964 when Goldwater lost by a landslide.
Unfortunately, we have some big monied interests that have activated these cretins, given them power, given them legitimacy, given them a platform and they have fucked up this country big time. The problem is they don't care about anything but themselves - oh, they are tough! Oh, they are fit! Oh, they are survivors!
They BELIEVE in social Darwinism. They believe in it because of the giant, swollen, throbbing corporate owned propaganda organs begun in 1971 with the Powell memo, hastened in 1984 when Reagan allowed the Fairness Doctrine to lapse and brought to a cankerous fruition through hate talk radio and Fox 'news.' This feces has been poured down our backs for decades now...
Unions are bad.
Helping each other is bad.
We don't need no social safety nets.
We should privatize Social Security.
Hey, let's mess with the US Postal Service and its public union! Yep, we'll pass the Postal Enhancement and Accountability Act of 2006. Yep, we'll force them to pay $5 billion off the top every year to pay for pensions and benefits for workers who haven't even been born yet. Doesn't matter NO private sector firm does this. We don't like no postal union. Let's fuck 'em up!
Hey, let's pass some giant 'free trade' acts called NAFTA and CAFTA! We'll relish that giant sucking sound as good American jobs are shifted overseas and our people end up taking lower paying service jobs with no benefits.
Hey, let's deregulate Wall Street. We don't need no Glass-Steagall Act! Nope. We don't need no regulation at all. What? Bubble? Well, it's the fault of the borrowers, not Wall Street! Heck, give us $750 billion to bail us out because the taxpayers should shoulder the risk as long as we get to keep our profits, our multi million dollar salaries and our bonuses!
Well, there's an EVIL guy named Saddam Hussein. He's got (gasp) WMDs (shudder)! We gotta go get him. Let's have some shock and awe and launch a nice FOREVER WAR. Because what could be better for the MIC than a shadow enemy that can't really ever be defeated but that we need the very highest, bestest, mostest state-of-the-art military to fight. What? What do you mean where is that $8 billion? What $8 billion? We didn't lose no $8 billion! It disappeared from pallets in Iraqi warehouses, you say? No...that's a LIB-er-AL conspiracy. We didn't lose no money. In fact we need MORE!!!
We need a Wall to keep Mexican immigrants out! We'll make Mexico pay for it! And these Syrian refugees? We ain't takin' no Syrians. And if Obama forces us to then they need to wear badges and be 'concentrated' in certain locations...
We don't like no abortion. Don't matter it's the law of the land...not at all. Hey, I know, let's regulate the clinics out of business! That'll work. And we can de-fund Planned Parenthood. We shouldn't have to subsidize no sex for poor women! And they shouldn't make as much as men. And they should stay at home anyway...
So, Reddread, now you have it. THAT is why we can't get along with 'conservatives.' They are batshit crazy and we need to end the gerrymandering and vote in sane people so the crazies can go back under their rocks.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)is to guarantee only your eternal servitude.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)reddread
(6,896 posts)RandySF
(58,911 posts)Racial and enthusiasm minorities as 2nd class citizens? LGBT people shoved back into the closet? Where do you want us to begin?
how about TPP and endless war?
it isnt liberals that have problems accepting conservative mindlessness,
it is CONSERVATIVES who cannot abide progressive liberal values.
How much suppport has the struggle for equality and same sex marriage seen from the backers
of CONSERVATIVE BUSH POLICIES?
alarimer
(16,245 posts)Conservative values restrict freedom of individuals. They place business above all else, to the detriment of people's health and of the environment (despite conservation and conservative coming from the same root word).
In short, those values and individuals are actively harmful to what we hold dear.
reddread
(6,896 posts)on the money.
TexasBushwhacker
(20,202 posts)There's nothing conservative about expecting the government to create or repeal laws to coincide with your religious beliefs.
It's not conservative to to say you are "pro-life", but think that programs should be cut that make the lives of poor families bearable - food stamps, Medicaid and subsidized housing.
It's not conservative to start unnecessary and counterproductive wars to enrich the MIC.
It's not conservative to allow industries to pollute our planet.
It's not conservative to allow the financial industry to police themselves when they have a record of being reckless.