The trickiness of being suspended on DU--and believe me---I know.

[trumad]

OK---this is what I have learned about getting suspended here on DU--IE: flagged for review.

First off. If you get suspended---good fucking luck getting it overturned. It pretty much ain't gonna happen. Oh I've plead with Admin---emailed Admin---offered sexual favors---Nada....

Second: Just Man up--Woman up---and take it. Look at it as a min-vaca.

Third: Some of my suspensions have come from multiple posts being hidden. Yes friends---there are some out there that will find each of your posts---alert on them, and you may win or lose. I'd be like what---I posted that last week, why is it getting juried now. Because those out to get you know that multiples will get you gone girl for a nice bit of time.

The more posts hidden, the longer the suspension. I've been suspended 2 months at a time. You go through posting withdrawl for a day or two---but you survive.

Forth: COMING BACK. That's where it gets really tricky.

I came back once all cocky---Announcing---come and get me. Well I was gotten pretty quick. Another suspension.

So here's my advice when you come back. Lay the fuck low--- because trust me---there are hunters looking for one word in your post that can be juried. Be super duper careful with your snark--don't call anyone stupid---don't tell someone their Mama wears Army boots--- don't direct your posts to anyone and that includes a tombstoned member---yes I got a post hidden for that.

I post this Op because a member just got flagged again---after a long suspension, because that member got 2 posts hidden right off the bat.

Was that member a target---in my best Sarah Palin voice---YOU BETCHA!

If you read the posts that were hidden you might say---what the hell, those aren't bad.

Me---being a suspension expert thought differently. Those posts were targets, AND---they gave hunters a bullseye to shoot at. AND guess what---they hit those targets.

This is the advice of trumad---you can take it or leave it.

[ScreamingMeemie]

1. I thought it was "your mama wears combat boots..." that would get hidden

but army boots were okay. Thanks for the tips.

(my father STILL uses that line in traffic jams)

[Fumesucker]

5. The prostitutes who followed the troops all the way back to Napoleon would wear army issue boots

Because they were serviceable and easy to get for a few minutes of their normal trade.

That's where the insult comes from.

[ScreamingMeemie]

6. I think you missed my joke. I know where it comes from. My father really DOES say, "your mother

wears combat boots." He told me long ago where the line comes from. Now I'm bummed that my joke fell flat. (not really)

[Fumesucker]

8. There's a bunch of stuff my mother said I couldn't repeat here

A petite and usually sweet woman with a tongue like a lash if you provoked her.

[ScreamingMeemie]

18. That and "roundhead" were the worst my father could come up with.

(I know where roundhead comes from too )

[awoke_in_2003]

62. Roundhead? nt

[ScreamingMeemie]

66. It's what the Irish called the Polish in pre-1950 Milwaukee.

I grew up thinking it was a "thing." We've talked about it before, and some people knew it and others don't.

[MosheFeingold]

67. Funny

My father called Germans "square heads."

(He was a German/Polish Jewish man and actually fought for Germany in WWI.)

[MosheFeingold]

70. Before I foget

Methodists and Lutherans were "Chicken Eaters." As in: "you chicken-eating Methodist."

Not really sure what this meant.

[Scuba]

2. Hey, my Mama did wear Army boots.

She served proudly during WW II.

[GusBob]

3. Good advice

I think, and I may very well be wrong, that if one has a long history of 'crossing swords' with people on this website, it may lessen your odds with the jury and increase your odds for alerts.

[polly7]

9. Oh yeah ......... once you're on the list, you wear a neon target forever.

I know this first-hand.

[G_j]

4. K&R

for sound advice

[Go Vols]

7. Plus other sites that try to get people banned

[trumad]

10. I think that blows...

I don't condone that shit at all.

But if you read Cali's latest posts that got hidden....she put a God Damn target on her back.

This is what she wrote in one hidden post: "Not only do you have a critical thinking deficit, but your mind reading abilities really suck. I do find you amusing however".

That my friend is a big fat bullseye for her haters.

[Go Vols]

11. I don't condone it either.

[BlueJazz]

28. I'd still vote to leave it. Somebody has to truly get weird for me to hide. Something like...

"Eat shit you mother-F*cker and die by somebody shaving 1/4 inch pieces of your rotting flesh off every 10 minutes."

[treestar]

36. Yea that deserves a hide

Other web site or not. She's rude. No alert stalking needed. Skinner says repeatedly that it or a thing

[imthevicar]

37. I was Juryied Because

I poked fun at a Candidate. Talk about thin skinned. You Mention the Dccc and might as well be Marie Antoinette! But the people who hunt sometimes get theirs in the end, Karma's a trip.

[Buzz Clik]

31. If it takes over two months to organize a lynch mob, I wouldn't worry about that website.

[Oilwellian]

63. This was alerted

I was juror 6

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This screen shot has been hidden several times in the past, it should be hidden again.



You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:39 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter utterly failed to explain WHY this should be hidden. Voting to Leave It so the truth can be known. Censorship is for conservatives.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: We post from other sites every day. This actually exposes a DU'er plotting to ban another long time DU'er. Oh, the irony of this alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

[Go Vols]

65. TY

I agree with your assessment too.

[arcane1]

64. Surprise, surprise, this was alerted! Jury results:

On Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Plus other sites that try to get people banned
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7361955

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This screen shot has been hidden several times in the past, it should be hidden again.



You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Nov 19, 2015, 01:39 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Alerter utterly failed to explain WHY this should be hidden. Voting to Leave It so the truth can be known. Censorship is for conservatives.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: We post from other sites every day. This actually exposes a DU'er plotting to ban another long time DU'er. Oh, the irony of this alert.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given


I was Juror #3, for the record.

[Go Vols]

69. TY

[Waiting For Everyman]

12. Good advice. Mine would be...

...(not as a suspension expert but just in general) put together a damn good Jury Blacklist. And keep it up to date.

[trumad]

14. LOL---Mine is stacked...

No more room.

[Waiting For Everyman]

16. True,

a couple good fights and they're not big enough, even with star membership.

Hmm... maybe people who get a high number of alerts should get extra Jury Blacklist spots?

[geomon666]

13. And this is why I will never support the jury system

Too easy to abuse.

[petronius]

15. I'm pretty sure that posts more than 24 hours old aren't supposed to go to juries;

those alerts should go directly to Admin.

If you're getting jury hides on posts that were posted a week before, you may want to mention it in ATA - perhaps there's a glitch of some sort...

(Or maybe it's people PMing results of 'leave' juries, but days after the jury actually occurred?)

[HuckleB]

61. I don't think they do, any more.

Still, if my memory is correct, and it may not be at all, they used to go to jury. Does anyone remember a change?

[lumberjack_jeff]

71. I once had a post hidden that was six months old.

... But it was pinned.

[HuckleB]

79. Hmm.

You got me.

[lumberjack_jeff]

80. I think the process has changed since then. nt

[brooklynite]

17. How about -- don't get suspended?

I seem to annoy a lot of people but I never get my posts hidden...just criticized. Just focus on making rational arguments, rather than getting angry or personal.

[trumad]

19. Now what fun would that be?

[Buzz Clik]

33. Seriously.

Suspensions are the perfect opportunity to walk away from this dysfunctional shithole.

[polly7]

20. Some people are passionate here about what they believe in

and are confronted over and over in hopes of getting to the point they're frustrated and angry. A screenshot of the cave shows that is exactly what they tried to do ........ and it works, obviously.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7361955

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7360692

[snooper2]

23. If you get worked up over what random people post on a random website on the intertubes

You may need to rethink your priorities in life, or maybe need to go fucking outside and live a life LOL

[polly7]

24. Really?

You've never argued with anyone on a message board .......... ever? I doubt cali, or myself or 99% of the posters here consider a message board a top priority in their lives and do go outside - a lot - and have great fucking lives, but while they're here ---------- this shit happens, and it pissed people off. Get over it.

[Rex]

49. Sounds like he is upset about something.

Some here are not very clever.

[polly7]

77. Seems to be. I wonder why he's wasting so much time with that on a message board?

Surely there must be something else to do outside?

[mahina]

38. This post would be alerted if you were a target.

[DocMac]

43. Give it a few minutes.

[one_voice]

45. his posts are alerted on all the time.

[840high]

27. Sometimes my fingers type

without my permission.

[Festivito]

21. The post, not the person, should be the subject matter of all responses.

Posting to the post is safer and even more effective.

[HuckleB]

57. Indeed. But even then posts get alerted upon and taken down, at times.

It's fairly random, really.

[KG]

22. the admins have denied it, but alert stalking is a real thing.

[Mosby]

25. maybe so

But if Cali would refrain from making personal attacks her posts would not be hidden.

It's really that simple.

Eta - I have had posts hidden for bizarre reasons, it's not easy being a liberal Zionist here at DU, but for the most part I earned most of my hides.

[LiberalArkie]

30. It has nothing to do with the content of the message

I have been on juries and have been on the losing side of the votes where the offending message was

"Good Morning"

"Are you feeling better"

Etc.


I happened to be on 3 juries in 1 afternoon where they were all Cali's

Cali would post and I would get a jury request.

[Buzz Clik]

35. I had a post hidden for offering to a poster "a tissue for your tears". No exactly an attack.

The jury system is totally broken and cannot be fixed.

[ProfessorGAC]

48. I Remember That

IIRC, i was on that jury and was shocked when only me and one other juror voted to leave it.

[Logical]

42. How? Also, what proof do you have? BS CS shit. Nt

[HuckleB]

56. Indeed. They know we know, so why deny it?

[DFW]

26. I haven't had the "honor" yet

But if it happens, well, I got other things to do. Ain't no way no how I'm gonna let an internet board, even one I've belonged to for ten years, rule my life. "Get a life" can't enforced in a court of law, but if there are people out there who have so little else to do with their lives than to alert on me because of what I post here, and if there are enough people here that agree with them, then maybe I need to spend more time doing crossword puzzles in the first place.

I haven't seen a post here yet that has made me change the way I vote on anything, though I do listen to the discussion (unless it contains seething anger directed at one of us, or the words "corporate" or "unelectable&quot .

[Javaman]

29. doesn't this post violate the first rule of fight club? nt

[sharp_stick]

32. Another option is just to quit the snark

altogether. If you ignore those that provoke you and use your head a little bit before you go about provoking others the number of hides goes away.

I make pretty good use of the ignore and trash features to filter out posters I simply don't like. That alone saves me a ton of hides because corresponding with these people would guarantee some hides. It's going to happen in a group as large as this that there are people that rub me the wrong way, piss me off and provoke my anger either intentionally or by accident. I've chosen not to engage them, they aren't worth my time or yours.

Ditching certain groups and forums will also greatly reduce your potential for contact with assholes and thereby reduce your chances of pulling in a hide.

The result of this behavior, no hides in well over a year.

YMMV

[valerief]

34. THIS^^^

[ScreamingMeemie]

50. Yes, and no.

I purely address posts/not people, and angry folk will alert over just about anything. Some of the complaints I have seen on jury alerts lately (when they come from that Primary place) are absolutely nutty bananas.

I say this with one hide... ever. I do live by respond to the post and not the poster, and I don't remember past run-ins with people very well (with the exception of one DUer. Pretty sure he knows who he is, and I admit I will celebrate the day he is banned). But I can also see where sometimes people just plain don't like what a person has to post (this happened to me last week), so they alert on it. Sometimes they get lucky.

In short (sorry for so long-winded), nothing's foolproof.

[sharp_stick]

52. I understand that

and that's why I added the trash forum as one of my anti-hide techniques. If I had to put up with GD-P on my latest feed I don't think I could manage sticking around.

For me GD-P has become a cess pool, there is so little beneficial discussion going on there that I can't find it anymore. I trashed it quite awhile ago but just went back and looked. On all of the most recent "discussions" with more than 4 replies that I looked at (7 or 8) not one of them lacked insults aimed at the other candidate or even veiled insults at another poster. I think at least some of these are set ups to try and get people pissed off so they can fire off an alert.

Recently almost every jury I've been on has been an alert from the cesspool. Like you've seen, the complaints on a lot of them are nuts. I find it hard to go through enough of the thread to try and figure out what the hell they're talking about. They start referring to a post made a month ago and before long I wonder if any of them actually have any kind of actual life to go back to.

You're absolutely right at the end, nothing's foolproof.

[CTyankee]

39. I have worried that some of the nudity in the art threads I post here could get my post

hidden. But I figure if the painting hangs in, say, the Louvre, no one would be so foolish as to target it's photo to be hidden. To date, I don't think that has happened since I would have been informed.

If that happened, I would leave DU and yes, I'd do a GBCW and give it all I got as I exited. I just can't believe that we have such yahoos here on DU who would try it, tho. If it did, I'd feel very sad for DU and its art lovers. Exchanging experiences with art with other art devotees here at DU have been some of my greatest experiences I've ever had with the art world.

So if I do offend you with the nudity or other things in the great art I write about, I would hope you would at least give me the chance to try to help you see it my way on a few of the finer points. I don't care if you don't like a work or an artist...there are those that could hang through a milennia in the Louvre or National Gallery or Uffizi and I wouldn't miss them. We all have a preferences...

[Fairgo]

44. Your art history posts are golden

A cultural oasis in an ideological strip mall. You have fans. If the alert lurkers run out of targets before you, I'd say DU ran out of reasons to exist...at least for me.

[CTyankee]

60. Oh, thank you, Fairgo! To date, I have not encountered any problems but

I feared that some here would be offended that women's bodies were exploited by artists who were themselves misogynists and therefore their art was suspect as same. So when I confronted this real part of art history I tried to express it in the art thread, to also confront the reality of the artist's misogyny and acknowledge that it existed. I am glad to hear that it was successful.

[gregcrawford]

40. All of this begs the question...

... WHY? Why do these people get all medieval on longtime Duers like you and Cali and others? What do they get out of it? It baffles me.

[Amimnoch]

41. Heh, as someone who also just finished his 2n bad-boy time out of the primary season

I'm all for making the GDP a free-for-all and Jury-free realm until primary season is over.

Personally, and imo, I think jury blocking, and only keeping the moderators with the sole task of hiding/removing META or the occasional pro-republikin BS.

Give us a place where we can freely, and without fear just say what's on our mind, get it out in the open, without fear of being hidden or losing board privileges. There'd still be a lot of ugly stuff posted by both sides, but a lot less "baiting" type threads, and frankly I think the level of the bad feelings between the camps will ultimately be at least a little less, and promote a more unified group once the primary season is done.

If we keep on going at it this way, I do feel either candidate will lose valuable support come General season.

[one_voice]

46. Agree with a lot of what you say.

There's an opposite to those being targets. There are some here that could tell someone to go eff themselves with a chainsaw and it would stand. Some people are untouchable.

[ileus]

47. Yup the jury system is stacked against folks that are unpopular or hold unpopular positions.

[Hortensis]

58. True. 85% of DUers support one candidate and, yes,

are often very combative and hostile against "outsiders" who disagree with them.

[Faux pas]

51. I don't understand why nothing can

be done about this?

[Nye Bevan]

53. The admins refused to make a "Trumad exception" and overturn your suspension?

That's shocking. Shame on them.

BTW is it still considered "manning up" if you only "man up" after begging and pleading to the admins and being turned down?

[trumad]

54. The trick is not to be baited by those who love to bait.

I'm sorry---you were saying?

[Nye Bevan]

59. I know, right? Some DUers are master baiters (nt)

[HuckleB]

55. Yup. Been there, done that, learned the hard way, over and over again.

Alcohol will do that to, well, me, anyway. I don't drink any more, and, as long as I can keep that up, I should be ok, but I don't trust much. Most of my posts that were taken down were pretty mild, at least compared to other posts I've made. Some were clearly over the line. Regardless, it doesn't matter. It's the DU system. We have to live with it.

[lumberjack_jeff]

68. Tricky? Getting suspended seems to me to be the easiest possible thing.

Not getting suspended is harder. It's why three year olds have better self regulating skills than two year olds do.

[trumad]

72. You're right.

I watch those MRA guys and marvel at their skills to not get their shit hidden. That's skill.

[lumberjack_jeff]

74. When the critics are suspended and unable to alert stalk, it's easier. n/t

[KMOD]

73. That's good advice, Trumad.

I will just add that the Friday night pizza and beer parties in the time-out lounge, were a nice perk.

[Kalidurga]

75. There is a flip side to this and it's just as ugly

I have seen posts survive a jury system that shouldn't have even been posted let alone survive. But, because they were directed at someone who advocated for Hillary, the vile post was allowed to stand. That is not cool. If someone says something racist, sexist, or homophobic it should be hidden just on the basis of community standards. If I am on a jury I don't care who side anyone is on I will vote to hide that crap.

[Agnosticsherbet]

76. Somehow, this doesn't make DU a friendlier place.

but it does teach to be careful with words, because they can come back to bite you.

[Vinca]

78. Just my opinion, but people can be way too sensitive.

Nobody's going to agree with you all the time. If you don't like what you're reading, don't read it. You don't have a moral imperative to "turn someone in" just because your tender sensibilities have been offended.

[ucrdem]

81. I sat on a jury yesterday for a 100% meritless alert against a well-liked HRC supporter.

It went 5-2 leave, and I'll be happy to pm the results to anyone who expresses an interest. The point is that Hillary supporters are without a glimmer of a doubt being targeted all the time. Where it gets murky is deciding what constitutes a conspiratorial intention, and from what's been posted and my own experience there's absolutely no evidence of such at the site on everyone's lips.

[totodeinhere]

82. I think some people take this way too seriously.

So what if you get suspended? There are plenty of other Net message boards to choose from. Life doesn't revolve around DU after all. If I ever got suspended I would care less. I would consider it DU's loss, not mine. And once suspended I doubt if I would ever come back.