so france, within days, kills the attack mastermind without invading any countries,

[restorefreedom]

diverting resources towards someone who didn't attack them, torturing anyone in horrid prisons, or losing the goodwill of the world.

compare and contrast with the us war in afghanistan and iraq, the assassination of saddam and his sons, abu ghraib, and the killing of obl that obama had to finish because of bush and cheney's "inability" to find him. i put inability in quotes because i don't think they wanted to find him. his presence gave them almost unlimited opportunities to continue war and the stomping of civil rights.

does anyone else find the contrast with france fascinating?

[trumad]

1. Little harder to grab Osama than the twerp they just killed.

[FLPanhandle]

2. Yep. Osama wasn't sitting around in NYC after 9/11

[treestar]

5. +1

and the twerp did not kill himself in the process of the attack.

[awoke_in_2003]

53. True, but Osama

was not in Iraq.

[BootinUp]

55. just a slight understatement, lol.

[Blue_Tires]

3. Apples and oranges, but whatever...

You're clearly on a roll...

[onehandle]

4. We invaded the wrong country.

Missed it by one.

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[restorefreedom]

6. snap! but since the bushes and saudis were bff's,

they had to do tremendous mental gymnastics to cram the facts into their pnac narrative. and we all know now the reality of their magic act.

still hard to believe they got away with it

[hifiguy]

60. Worst country and worst culture in the world.

No civilized person would mourn its disappearance.

[n2doc]

7. But they have been bombing Syria

So I am not so sure the comparison is all that different. They will be happy to kill the leaders of Daesh if they can find them in Syria or Iraq.

[The2ndWheel]

8. They're not the same situation

If Mohamed Atta survived 9/11, and was in NY or some other state, that might be a more apt comparison. France also did do some bombing runs in another country. If this happened during the heyday of France being a colonial empire, there also might have been a different response. Plus, by killing this guy, is France in the clear? They had the Charlie Hebdo thing, and they killed those guys too.

[restorefreedom]

15. yes, i did just see a reference

to a more senior leader which could make this guy more like an atta. but cheneys war for oil instead of going after obl cost a lot of time and lives.

[AlbertCat]

41. but cheneys war for oil instead of going after obl

Yes...

France did not invade the wrong country... to buck up a failing company.

[jwirr]

58. They were the same on 9/11. Both were attacks by individuals

not countries. 9/11 should have been handle as a criminal case not a military case involving any ME country. And the French had enough sense to handle both Charlie Hedbo and this attack as just that.

But there is a difference. Our oil baron government at the time were looking for an excuse to go after Iraq's oil and they used 9/11. That is the only difference.

[hifiguy]

61. The French and most other European nations

treat terrorism as, in essence, a law-enforcement issue. The American Imperium - no matter which puppet of the oligarchs is its titular head - sees it as an opportunity to expand the empire via chaos and, if possible, conquest, after which compliant puppets are then installed to fork over the resources.

[jwirr]

63. Exactly.

[Punkingal]

9. I'm with you...

I thought the same thing. We chose to invade Iraq, not go after Bin laden. Seems like France doesn't need our help, but we sure could have used theirs.

[restorefreedom]

16. of course, their help would have only been helpful

if we wanted obl. and i don't think cheney did..it would have ended the war and ruined his oil grab/pnac fantasies.

[whathehell]

44. Bush chose to invade Iraq - Obama went after OBL & got him

If "we" are responsible for Iraq, "we" can also take credit for Obama.

[Jarqui]

10. Bush: Truly not concerned about bin Laden

I realize there are differences in the situations but that attitude about getting bin Laden didn't exactly endear him to some folks after going to war and things he previously said, etc

[restorefreedom]

18. they didn't want obl.

they wanted him alive so they could gallavant around the world, change regimes, and steal oil.

[Rex]

11. Well they actually cared about getting him, unlike Bush and his crew of thugs.

Bush had no intention of following Bin Laden into Pakistan.

[restorefreedom]

20. nope. they wanted their poster boy alive to wage more war. nt

[Rex]

22. Agree 100% He was a very useful asset to the CIA...er...was a useful tool for the Reagan WH.

[restorefreedom]

25. yup. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

12. This dude was more like Atta...the mastermind is al-Baghdadi, who will be harder to snag

[restorefreedom]

24. true, but their diversion for oil did not help. nt

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. Facts

[restorefreedom]

30. :) nt

[CentralMass]

13. Just for the record they are heavily bombing ISIS targets.

[NuclearDem]

14. It really helps when the mastermind is right in your own country.

[smirkymonkey]

39. +1000

[jeff47]

17. Uh...he was in France. If bin Laden was in Oklahoma, we wouldn't need to invade either. (nt)

[restorefreedom]

23. they still dropped the ball on obl to fulfill their

saddam/oil grab/pnac fantasy. if they had really wanted to get him, they would have. might have been harder than this guy, i'll give you that, but they did not want to do anything to end their wargasm.

[hifiguy]

62. Even if UBL HAD been in Oklahoma,

the war in Iraq would have proceeded as planned. That was decided on within a month of the installation of the Chimp and his puppetmaster.

[restorefreedom]

64. yup. 911 just gave them a convenient way in. nt

[BlueMTexpat]

19. If this report is correct,

Bin Laden was in a Pakistani hospital and the US knew that. http://www.globalresearch.ca/9-11-analysis-where-was-osama-bin-laden-on-september-11-2001/20986

He wouldn't have been too difficult to find.

But there was a whole other agenda.

[restorefreedom]

21. exactly. nt

[Maineman]

32. Yep, a whole other agenda by the Bush Cheney gang.

[EX500rider]

48. Except when "Global Research" states something you know it's almost always BS..

Globalresearch.ca may be best described as the moonbat equivalent to WorldNetDaily. Whenever someone makes a remarkable claim and cites Globalresearch, they are almost certainly wrong.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Globalresearch.ca

[Buzz Clik]

26. Gratefully, France has no history of involvement in foreign countries *coughIndoChinacough*

[Baitball Blogger]

27. Well, we assured safe passage to the bin Laden family in the

days after 9/11. "Safe travels. Catch you later."

Our intelligence agencies were using the Fox Hunt detective method.

[restorefreedom]

29. yup. they didn't really want to get him. nt

[heaven05]

31. +1000

truth and nothing but the truth......

[Jester Messiah]

33. Pretty sure France bombed the bejeezus out of Raqqa

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/france-air-strikes-in-syria-33-isis-militants-killed-in-raqqa-in-three-days-as-russia-adds-to-a6739106.html

[Helen Borg]

35. Yep...

And in the process, they probably created 100 potential replacements for this guy.

[Jester Messiah]

47. I begin to question the wisdom of that old saw.

If the recruits created were of a sort to join, they probably would have joined already given the prevailing circumstances.

[Helen Borg]

50. You mean, the 10 year olds

whose parents were killed in the bombings?....

[blackspade]

34. I find it a refreshing alternative to our bumbling anti-terrorism policies

of the last 20 years.

Although I agree that the bumbling is an intentional feature rather than ineptness.
Our government's complaining about Anon demolishing ISIS websites and twitter accounts underscores their desire for a continuation of their money making and civil liberties destroying scheme.

[valerief]

36. How do their rich people get richer without endless war??? nt

[JI7]

37. this is a stupid argument

[restorefreedom]

43. thank you for your substantive reply. nt

[svpadgham]

38. I'm very upset.

I'm upset that France did not invade Myanmar while we tell them that it's not a good idea. After which they start whining and come to a parliamentary decision to call any candles made by The Yankee Candle Company "la liberte' bougie."

[George II]

40. Of course they didn't invade any countries to catch him, he was IN FRANCE!

[restorefreedom]

42. my point was they stayed on target

unlike cheney and bush who went trolling for oil and assassinated the wrong guy.

[JEB]

45. Cheese eating surrender monkeys

are pretty smart as it turns out.

[edhopper]

46. More like the 1996

WTC bombing.

We got them through law inforcement too.

[KamaAina]

49. Bunch of cheese-eating surrender monkeys!

[brooklynite]

51. ...and bombing multiple locations in Raqqa...

[restorefreedom]

52. as we did in afghanistan nt

[brooklynite]

54. We didn't invade Afghanistan within a week of 9/11 either...

...ISIS is effectively a sovereign State. I would not assume military action won't be forthcoming.

[Glassunion]

56. Give them time. It took us almost a month to invade another country after 9/11.

And a couple more years to invade a second country that was not involved.

[yeoman6987]

57. Ok. In fairness, we probably would have to if Osama Bin Laden was in NYC after 9/11.

You can't even compare the two. However, glad France killed the jerk.

[restorefreedom]

59. its not completely analagous,

but the french stayed on target as opposed to following cheney's bliss and stealing other countries' oil.