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Octafish

(55,745 posts)
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:27 AM Nov 2015

You Can Get Away with Murder, but You Can't Lie to Rich People

Tuesday, 17 November 2015 00:00
By The Daily Take Team, The Thom Hartmann Program | Op-Ed

Earlier today in Charleston, West Virginia, a jury heard four hours of closing statements from federal prosecutors and defense attorneys in the Don Blankenship criminal trial.

SNIP...

Why is the former CEO of one of the largest coal companies in the country facing 30 years in prison?

Not because he might be responsible for the deaths of 29 miners, not because he apparently micromanaged the cover-up of nearly 600 safety violations at the Upper Big Branch mine.

SNIP...

Stop and think about that, 29 people died under Blankenship's watch and management.

And he's facing charges for misleading regulators and wealthy investors.

CONTINUED...

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/33697-you-can-get-away-with-murder-but-you-can-t-lie-to-rich-people

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You Can Get Away with Murder, but You Can't Lie to Rich People (Original Post) Octafish Nov 2015 OP
Miners are expendable. lonestarnot Nov 2015 #1
''Human Resources'' Octafish Nov 2015 #2
Richie rich knows how to wrap up the legal system in one nice little package with all that dough. lonestarnot Nov 2015 #3
Equal Money Under the Law Octafish Nov 2015 #7
This. Ed Suspicious Nov 2015 #6
One difference is slaves got free room, board and sometimes medical care. Octafish Nov 2015 #16
Yep. I thought much the same when they came out with that. malthaussen Nov 2015 #22
CONgress is trying to eliminate the laws allowing prosecution of white collar crimes n2doc Nov 2015 #4
Congress is just showing that they really are working. Octafish Nov 2015 #10
They did find out and they found out that more money to be made also (China) LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #23
The China-Bush Axis Octafish Nov 2015 #26
I see an opening for a applicable Zappa quote here 90-percent Nov 2015 #28
Frank could not have been more right about that. FiveGoodMen Nov 2015 #34
Was Blankenship tried for murder? I missed that. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #5
I think that's the point. Octafish Nov 2015 #9
Ok. So "getting away with murder" was just hyperbole. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #12
No one is off the rails. It's not hyperbole when it is 100% true and accurate. A Simple Game Nov 2015 #25
The article states that Blankenship is charged with misleading regulators & wealthy investors think Nov 2015 #11
Right. Buzz Clik Nov 2015 #13
29 people died due to Blankenship's verifiable willful negligence. Some would consider that grounds think Nov 2015 #18
And that was in just one accident. Fuddnik Nov 2015 #24
God, that is just infuriating! smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #35
Meanwhile the House is pushing a bill to make it more difficult to prosecute white collar crime think Nov 2015 #8
''The Criminal Code Improvement Act'' Octafish Nov 2015 #14
Such a positive title. Politicians love using word baloney to make a law look justifiable. think Nov 2015 #15
Snort lonestarnot Nov 2015 #17
Al Capone had hundreds killed mwrguy Nov 2015 #19
''Some will rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen.'' Octafish Nov 2015 #31
What a shock.....not blackspade Nov 2015 #20
Tim Geithner foamed the runway for the banks. Octafish Nov 2015 #32
Foamed the runway is an understatment! blackspade Nov 2015 #33
Right, workers are disposable in this country. We've heard that for decades now. Rex Nov 2015 #21
Life under corporate rule! Dustlawyer Nov 2015 #27
Same reason Bernie Maddoff is in jail. He stole from the 1% OffWithTheirHeads Nov 2015 #29
And his poor poor wife is so destitute is having to keep a couple of million to decorate her new lonestarnot Nov 2015 #36
Laws are written to protect the interests of rich people. Period. nt valerief Nov 2015 #30
 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
3. Richie rich knows how to wrap up the legal system in one nice little package with all that dough.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 09:46 AM
Nov 2015

Uses large bills for wrapping paper.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
16. One difference is slaves got free room, board and sometimes medical care.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:15 AM
Nov 2015

Modern slaves have to pay their way and shop at the company store, like Walmart.


malthaussen

(17,204 posts)
22. Yep. I thought much the same when they came out with that.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:52 AM
Nov 2015

"Personnel" is too, well, personal.

-- Mal

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
10. Congress is just showing that they really are working.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:02 AM
Nov 2015

They don't want their positions "eliminated."

Gee. If the owners found out that things really are easier with a dick-tater, they wouldn't bother keeping the theater open.

90-percent

(6,829 posts)
28. I see an opening for a applicable Zappa quote here
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:03 PM
Nov 2015

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it's profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.”

-90% Jimmy

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
9. I think that's the point.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:00 AM
Nov 2015

The deaths of 29 miners aren't the issue at his trial. Lying to his company investors is.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
12. Ok. So "getting away with murder" was just hyperbole.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:02 AM
Nov 2015

Personally, I'm glad that got the bastard on something -- anything. The point gets lost when we go off the rails.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
25. No one is off the rails. It's not hyperbole when it is 100% true and accurate.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Nov 2015

But yes, better to get him for this than nothing.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
11. The article states that Blankenship is charged with misleading regulators & wealthy investors
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:02 AM
Nov 2015

Not for murder.

Stop and think about that, 29 people died under Blankenship's watch and management.

And he's facing charges for misleading regulators and wealthy investors.

According to the lead FBI agent investigating the disaster, Blankenship personally received DAILY REPORTS that summarized 587 safety violations issued to the mine in the months before the April explosion.
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
13. Right.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:04 AM
Nov 2015

So "getting away murder" is just a dabble in the melodramatic.

I'm guessing that trying the CEO for murder would be difficult and pointless.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
18. 29 people died due to Blankenship's verifiable willful negligence. Some would consider that grounds
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:26 AM
Nov 2015

for charges related to those deaths rather than defrauding investors and violating regulations.

The peanut butter CEO knowingly shipped peanut butter that could and did cause people to die.

Call it what you like but the term murder doesn't seem so melodramatic in light of the direct results of the actions of these CEOs. At the very least the term "negligent homicide" seems applicable.


The usual distinction from voluntary manslaughter is that involuntary manslaughter (sometimes called "criminally negligent homicide&quot is a crime in which the victim's death is unintended.

Involuntary Manslaughter Overview - FindLaw


Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
24. And that was in just one accident.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 11:27 AM
Nov 2015

I'm sure there were many more "smaller" accidents before that.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
14. ''The Criminal Code Improvement Act''
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:08 AM
Nov 2015

If truth be told, it would be called "The Fraudster Protection Act."

William K. Black is not going to be amused.

 

think

(11,641 posts)
15. Such a positive title. Politicians love using word baloney to make a law look justifiable.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:15 AM
Nov 2015

Hopefully William K Black won't be the only person to express their opinion if this bill moves forward.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
31. ''Some will rob you with a six-gun, and some with a fountain pen.''
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:36 PM
Nov 2015


Pretty Boy Floyd

If you'll gather 'round me, children,
A story I will tell
'Bout Pretty Boy Floyd, an outlaw,
Oklahoma knew him well.

It was in the town of Shawnee,
A Saturday afternoon,
His wife beside him in his wagon
As into town they rode.

There a deputy sheriff approached him
In a manner rather rude,
Vulgar words of anger,
An' his wife she overheard.

Pretty Boy grabbed a log chain,
And the deputy grabbed his gun;
In the fight that followed
He laid that deputy down.

Then he took to the trees and timber
Along the river shore,
Hiding on the river bottom
And he never come back no more.

Yes, he took to the trees and timber
To live a life of shame;
Every crime in Oklahoma
Was added to his name.

But a many a starvin' farmer
The same old story told
How the outlaw paid their mortgage
And saved their little homes.

Others tell you 'bout a stranger
That come to beg a meal,
Underneath his napkin
Left a thousand-dollar bill.

It was in Oklahoma City,
It was on a Christmas Day,
There was a whole car load of groceries
Come with a note to say:

"Well, you say that I'm an outlaw,
You say that I'm a thief.
Here's a Christmas dinner
For the families on relief."

Yes, as through this world I've wandered
I've seen lots of funny men;
Some will rob you with a six-gun,
And some with a fountain pen.

And as through your life you travel,
Yes, as through your life you roam,
You won't never see an outlaw
Drive a family from their home.

-- Woody Guthrie

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
32. Tim Geithner foamed the runway for the banks.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 12:41 PM
Nov 2015




Tim Geithner used America's homeowners to ''foam the runway'' for the bankster landing.

Neil Barofsky, the former special inspector general for the Troubled Asset Relief Program, has published a new book, “Bailout: An Inside Account of How Washington Abandoned Main Street While Rescuing Wall Street.” It presents a damning indictment of the Obama administration’s execution of the TARP program generally, and of HAMP in particular.

By delaying millions of foreclosures, HAMP gave bailed-out banks more time to absorb housing-related losses while other parts of Obama’s bailout plan repaired holes in the banks’ balance sheets. According to Barofsky, Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner even had a term for it. HAMP borrowers would “foam the runway” for the distressed banks looking for a safe landing. It is nice to know what Geithner really thinks of those Americans who were busy losing their homes in hard times.

CONTINUED w VIDEO and links and more letters...

http://washingtonexaminer.com/video-geithner-sacrificed-homeowners-to-foam-the-runway-for-the-banks/article/2502982



"Too complicated" to prosecute? No. Call William K. Black.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
33. Foamed the runway is an understatment!
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 02:37 PM
Nov 2015

He used $uperman to gently lower the 1% plane into the bank vault with the 99%'s money.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
21. Right, workers are disposable in this country. We've heard that for decades now.
Thu Nov 19, 2015, 10:52 AM
Nov 2015

CEOs...not so much. They have some actual say in the legal system and their case. Dead workers...nada.

 

lonestarnot

(77,097 posts)
36. And his poor poor wife is so destitute is having to keep a couple of million to decorate her new
Fri Nov 20, 2015, 11:37 AM
Nov 2015

mcmansion.

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