The Onion Called It 12 Years Ago:

[kpete]

http://www.theonion.com/multiblogpost/this-war-will-destabilize-the-entire-mideast-regio-11534

[liberal N proud]

1. Thanks to George W Bush and Dick F Cheney

[lonestarnot]

2. And that's only two of the fuckwits.

[bigwillq]

4. And Hillary Clinton

And everyone else that voted for that mess.

[hifiguy]

24. Never forget.

Seems like many have, or have willfully blocked that part of the truth. Fans gotta fan, I guess.

[tazkcmo]

5. And others

That voted for the IWR.

[Orrex]

18. Actually, the cat was let out of the bag on 9/14/2001

And everyone who voted for HJR 64 or SJR 23 is culpable for the entire debacle that followed. The war in Iraq would have been much harder to sell if our respected agents in the House and Senate hadn't let their fear drive them to surrender their power to Bush.

Yes, certain members of Congress will now claim to have taken a courageous stance against Bush by voting no to the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002, but by that time the fuse had already been lit. If they'd done their jobs on 9/14/2001, we'd be living in a very different world today.

[pkdu]

28. Hmmmm....only one NO vote in the house.

And She isn't Bernie....

[cui bono]

33. Who was the no vote? She wasn't Hillary either... obviously.

I can't find a no here:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2001/roll342.xml

Clinton is a "Yea" in the Senate:
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=1&vote=00281

[AnotherDreamWeaver]

34. Barbara Lee

From: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/individualProfile.asp?indid=936


On September 14, 2001, Lee was the only member of Congress to vote against a resolution authorizing President Bush to use military force against anyone associated with the 9/11 terrorist attacks. The resolution passed 98-0 in the Senate, and 420-1 in the House.

[eridani]

37. You are confusing Iraq with Afghanistan

Barbara Lee was the only House member who voted against Afghanistan involvement.

[cui bono]

39. That makes more sense.

Someone else was trying to tell me Bernie voted for military force in Iraq before he voted against it, but what they provided was something that was for using military tribunals to bring Saddam to trial and get him out of power based on crimes against humanity. Not to invade to take him out of power.

[tecelote]

3. A lesson from "How to create perpetuatual war"

Intentional and highly profitable. The world be damned.

[Volaris]

14. Yep.

We need a new way to engage.
Complete military withdrawal from the middle east would be a good start. If there are concerns that we will be leaving good people to the whims of warlords, dictators and religious madmen, then we should offer diplomatic asylum to anyone from Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria or Libya who wants it and bring them the hell back with us.
We destroyed their countries, the least we could do is offer them ours to live in.
Longer term, the solution for the region would appear to be INDEPENDENT economic prosperity as a thriving Middle Class anywhere will eventually figure out that if the only thing they can't buy is a modern Government, they will build one FOR THEMSELVES.

[sorechasm]

6. Let's not do that again.

How about we quit adding war fuel to the fire of those suffering?

PBO was right to call out those outrageous thug candidates who are afraid of homeless women and children displaced by our belligerent actions.

[rpannier]

7. Another Iran

with scores of people who remember the loved ones lost

[BeanMusical]

8. Kick and R

[FlatBaroque]

9. Here is something to consider

Perhaps none of this was unintended by our masters.

[The2ndWheel]

10. Yeah, but before that, bin Laden was sort of on our side

And only really got pissed at us when we had troops in Saudi Arabia to fight Saddam Hussein the first time. We only did that because we helped prop him up. Of course we were only doing that because of the externally drawn lines on a map by France and Britain that made up the heart of the Middle East after the Ottoman empire fell. That only happened because...

The Middle East was stabilized by dictators in part because the modern day borders never made sense. These radical and extreme elements have been evolving and adapting for decades, even before Bush, the first Bush, or Reagan were in office. I know they're Republicans, and everything is their fault, but it really isn't that simple.

If any of this was as easy as just don't do this or that, all this stuff would've been solved like thousands of years ago.

[MynameisBlarney]

12. I think there were quite a few people

That said pretty much the same thing around that time.

[colsohlibgal]

13. Obama Has Continued Making Terrorists

Just like Doofus Dubya Obama keeps creating a lot of "collateral" damage.....maybe 1 or 2 terrorists killed 2-5 or more created for the future. Bush is no kind of bright bulb but you would think Obama could grasp that math.

[Cal Carpenter]

23. Oh, it's not just sentimentality you are lacking.

Holy shit, man.

[ProudToBeLiberal]

30. Here's the jury decision in full for the hidden post above

On Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:01 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Collateral damage is what happens when people don't have the sense
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7362360

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is seriously offensive. Blaming victims for being killed or hurt via collateral damage should not be within DU Community Standards.

JURY RESULTS

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Nov 19, 2015, 07:11 PM, and the Jury voted 4-3 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Serious OTT. Hide
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Explanation: This exposes the author as lacking real life experience to those who are trapped in economic desperation. Or maybe this author is just a troll who is attempting to hurt people. Either way I prefer to have them exposed for what they are instead of aiding them by concealing their activities.
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[hifiguy]

26. I have seldom read a more tone-deaf

and obtuse post anywhere, much less here.

[JanMichael]

27. agreed, totally nasty and heartless. nt.

[laundry_queen]

29. Agreed. WTF? nt

[JanMichael]

40. The tone deaf deleted post was what I was talking about. nt

[laundry_queen]

42. I know. I was agreeing with you.

The WTF was reserved for that now-hidden post.

[90-percent]

15. 21st Century Nostradamus, this Onion

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=6031282

"At last, our long national nightmare of peace and prosperity is finally over."

-90% Jimmy

[heaven05]

16. +1000

[smirkymonkey]

17. +1000

[moondust]

19. Will they forget...

which big rich country told them to fuck off when they desperately needed a safe harbor from the barrel bombs of a dictator and the torture and beheadings of a death cult?

[underahedgerow]

20. The ringleader who just got X'd out in Paris y'day was Moroccan.

I didn't see bush dropping any bombs on Morocco, but maybe I missed that in the Friday news dump or something.

None of those freaks was from Iraq or Afghanistan or the middle east. They're of North African descent and lived their entire miserable lives within the EU, primarily BE and Paris. They went to syria to join their murderous pals and returned to commit their crimes.

These were thugs, lowlifes, drug dealers, drunks and thieves. They didn't follow Islam at all, and only stole it and looted it for their own beastly excuses for murdering, destroying and obliterating everything in their sight. They were not intelligent, they weren't masterminds. They failed at everything they did. They were unemployed, business failures, social misfits, social outcasts and failures. They represent and stood for nothing but the worst kind of violence and certainly not any religion on this planet.

They're also dead now, and the rest of their loser pals will be obliterated soon. These guys are all running for Iraq right now, heading for Mosul. It will be interesting to see will happen next. I hope the civilians that are left in Mosul have the sense to leave in a big fucking hurry.

[awoke_in_2003]

22. That is part of the plan

Have to justify our insane military budget somehow.

[hifiguy]

25. In the post-war era, the Dulles Brothers,

John Foster (SoS) and Allen (CIA Director)

adopted the "mordant observation of Randolph Bourne as the Uited states plunged into the epic madness of World War I, "War is the health of the state." Foster, who always acted in the interests of the American establishment, understood this. It was the permanent war fever that empowered the country's political and military hierarchies and enriched the increasingly militarized corporate sector. tt was the very lifeblood of this ruling group's edxistence - even if, in the atomic age, it threatened the existence of humanity."

David Talbot, The Devil's Chessboard (2015) p. 247.

In other words, sit down and shut up, peasants, we have MONEY to make.





"

[zentrum]

31. Wow. On the Nail.

[bvf]

32. The Onion not only always gets it right,

but it's timeless, to boot.

Truly America's Finest News Source.

A national treasure, it is.

[Kablooie]

35. Yep. I remember this argument making perfect sense before the war.

That's why I screamed in my car when they announced the attack on Baghdad.

It was always obvious that attacking Iraq was wrong in so many ways.

The fact that Hillary ignored all this at the time really makes her priorities suspect.

[Kablooie]

36. Yep. I remember this argument making perfect sense before the war.

That's why I screamed in my car when they announced the attack on Baghdad.

It was always obvious that attacking Iraq was wrong in so many ways.

The fact that Hillary ignored all this at the time really makes her priorities suspect.

[raouldukelives]

38. Hard to have perpetual war profits without perpetual war.

In a nation of heroes, only those horrified by war are cowards.

[Bucky]

41. Well, saying "a million bin Ladens" is laying it on a bit thick...

But give President Trump enough time and I'm sure he can hit that goal.