Many now support sending troops to fight ISIL

[question everything]

From http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/poll-majority-americans-oppose-accepting-syrian-refugees-n465816


Nearly 6 in 10 Americans say the use of overwhelming military force is the best way to defeat terrorism, but this divides along party lines as well. Republicans nearly universally (86%) see military force as the answer, but 60% of Democrats agree with the statement that relying too much on military force creates hatred that leads to more terrorism. Again independents are more divided, with more (55%) saying military force is necessary to defeat terrorism.

Majorities of Americans across all parties support sending additional ground troops to fight ISIS in Iraq and Syria, although Republicans are more hawkish, with 51% in strong support, compared to 20% of Democrats and 31% of independents.

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What this poll should have included was: do you support the reinstating of the draft?

Do you support you, or a family member joining the military?

I doubt it. Still chickenhawks.

[scscholar]

1. It's sad there's so much hate in this country

So much hate. It is depressing. So depressing.

[hifiguy]

2. Something definitely needs to be done about them, BUT

it should be the Russians and the French who do it.

[Herman4747]

10. Actually, to a good extent it should be...

...the Iraqis, at least so far as the Islamic State has penetrated Iraq. I do believe that the Iraqi military outnumbers ISIS.

[PowerToThePeople]

3. Unless they volunteer themselves to go

They can stfu.

[Avalux]

4. Well there you have it.

Fear is a fail proof tool used to persuade the masses to building their own prison, via the media. They want war, and that's exactly where we're headed.

[TwilightGardener]

5. It'll be just like how we conquered the Taliban with 14 years of NATO ground troops and a government

that was paid for and propped up by us, and will be so into eternity. Total success! Except Assad isn't "our" guy, and ISIS is a little sharper than the Taliban. And the Taliban isn't yet conquered. But otherwise, it'll be great.

[KT2000]

6. and of course the first beheading

of our troops will be blamed on President Obama.
I really do not think those in favor of ground troops will be in favor of what will happen to those "ground troops" who are actually people. It will be played out in videos though.

[Paladin]

7. We never learn.

And yes, I reluctantly support the re-introduction of the military draft. The all-volunteer armed forces system is a lynchpin of all the dangerous and expensive adventurism in the Middle East. Until everybody has skin in the game, until the rich are facing the same threat to life and limb as the poor---and yeah, I'm looking at you, Chris Matthews, and your entitled kids---wars are going to be commenced on a whim, and we'll keep making the same fucking mistakes. Enough, already.

[sharp_stick]

8. Not much shorter than the memory

of the average American. I wonder how many body bags it would take until they hate this deployment as much as Iraq?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

9. The nation is getting duped again

[bullwinkle428]

11. Christ almighty. Here we go again.

Time to dust off my "march in the street" shoes, from circa 2002.

[bullwinkle428]

12. Here's what's going to happen when we put ground troops in Syria.

Assad's forces, ISIS, and the "moderate rebels" will all join forces and try to kill as many American troops as possible.

[PersonNumber503602]

13. They should ask anyone voting yes to articulate how the troops would be used

for how long, and what the long-term goals are.

Sometimes military force is the only way to handle certain situations, but it has to make sense to use. I haven't seen any fleshed out ideas on sending ground troops, and explanations on what their specific goals would be, and how those goals would lead to the ultimate destruction of ISIS.

[question everything]

14. The irony is that had we not been stuck in Iraq and Afghanistan

for so many years and thus lost the appetite for any war, right now might have made sense.

Of course, had we not been stuck in Iraq ISIS may not have occurred...

[neverforget]

15. The cable news channels are 24/7 terror coverage since Friday. Fear sells.

As a species, we're doomed. We never learn.

[Punkingal]

17. Bingo...the f*&^(!g MSM is salivating again at the thought of war.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

16. Here we go again. nt

[killbotfactory]

18. We've been actively destablizing their host country for four years...

thankfully, if Kerry is to be believed, we've finally realized enough is enough

[Recursion]

19. Not a huge fan of the draft, personally; neither was anybody else in with me

This came up sometimes in conversation and the most common view was that we none of us wanted to be in a unit with somebody who was conscripted. (And, unlike the Army, the Marines never made any distinction between draftees and enlistees in terms of assignments or uniform.)

This will sound counterintuitive to some DUers, but what I would really like is to change the requirements so that it's easier
1. for poor people and minorities to enlist, and
2. for enlisted people to get commissions

There's this common view that the military is full of people who didn't have any options in the civilian economy, but in fact enlistees are whiter, better educated, and richer than the nation as a whole (the NCO corps is blacker and more Hispanic than the nation as a whole, though, because white people don't stay in the military as long, in general). Essentially all enlistees have a high school diploma or equivalent, vs. about 75% of their cohort, and even minor run-ins with law enforcement can make enlistment difficult in the first place, and make it nearly impossible to get a good job in the military even if you do enlist.

A result of this is that we actually have a situation where the already privileged have more of an opportunity to gain the benefits of military service than the less privileged. The nation is 16% Hispanic, and 12% black, while enlistees are 10% hispanic and 8% black (though the standing military winds up closer to the national figures because, again, white soldiers tend not to stay in as long).