The Dartmouth protests. Coverage from The Dartmouth.

[Comrade Grumpy]

I hope this source is acceptable here.

Some ugliness happened at Dartmouth. An earlier thread was locked. Here's what the student newspaper says. Lengthy article; I only offer some snippets. Read the whole thing if you want.

http://thedartmouth.com/2015/11/17/college-sees-no-official-reports-of-violence-at-protest-despite-rumors/

<snip>

No complaints of physical violence have been made, according to a press release by the College. The College described the events as a “peaceful meeting” that transitioned to a “political protest.”

Several students have filed bias incident reports with the College, with some describing feelings of intimidation and disrespect by other students, judicial affairs director Leigh Remy said. Other reports expressed concern from demonstrators, claiming they are being falsely accused of being violent. Some reports claim that demonstrators are being named on Yik Yak and other social media sites, and that this creates a potentially unsafe situation for those people, Remy said.

Several students interviewed by The Dartmouth reported witnessing chants including expletives, such as “F**k your white privilege” and “F**k your comfort.” Several students also said they witnessed a group of women crying on First Floor Berry in response to the demonstration.

Two students reported that demonstrators entered their private study rooms and blocked the doorway, while others said that demonstrators singled out some students by name and circled around others’ desks while chanting. No students reported witnessing or experiencing any sort of physical violence, though some expressed that they felt uncomfortable or intimidated by the protest.

<snip>

On First Floor Berry, many demonstrators spoke about their struggles at Dartmouth as a students of color and challenged and yelled at students who were sitting on the other side of the library to stand up and support the movement.

Many of the demonstrators then approached the sitting students and chanted “F**k your white privilege” and “F**k your white asses,” demonstrator Dan Korff-Korn ’19 said.

“It was important to point out that the students sitting there in the library at the computers represented this greater degree of ignorance, apathy and privilege that you see at Dartmouth, but the way it was done by personally attacking people was counterproductive,” Korff-Korn said.

David Tramonte ’18, who was not involved in or present at the library during the demonstration, said he heard from some students in the library that students were verbally assaulted and that some cried in response to this treatment.

“While I don’t think the protest should happen again to the extent where people are being yelled at and making people cry, I think the invasion of space needed to be done,” Tramonte said.

<snip>

Many white students were angered by the protest and the language used, but the protest should not be labeled as a hate crime or racist, Tramonte said.

Charlie Lundquist ’17, who participated in the protest but left after feeling uncomfortable with the shift in tone and documented this experience in a column on The Tab, an online tabloid covering Dartmouth-related issues, said that the protest’s organizers “failed to identify what exactly was going to happen in the protest that day.”

“I think a lot of people wouldn’t have participated if they had known that the protest would be disruptive and in the library yelling,” Lundquist said.

Lundquist said that he left almost immediately after the protest reached the library, and did not witness personally any yelling or intimidation.

Comments such as “F*** your white privilege” were not personal or racist attacks on individual white persons in the library, Diakanwa said. Instead, these comments were meant to target the legacy of white supremacy that many students have benefited from and students of color are fighting against, he said.

<snip>

[cali]

1. Thanks for posting a much more balanced piece

though I don't think what you excerpted reflects that balance

[Comrade Grumpy]

2. The excerpts I posted were addressing the allegations in the now hidden post.

There is a link for people who want to read the whole thing. I encourage them to do so.

[snooper2]

3. Somebody needs to tell these spoiled individuals to get back to class

what a crock...



http://now.dartmouth.edu/2014/03/dartmouth-announces-2014-15-room-board-tuition-and-fees

Undergraduate tuition for the 2014-15 academic year will be $46,763, an increase of $1,319 over the current year’s tuition rate. Total tuition, room, board, and mandatory fees next year will increase to $61,947.

The tuition rates apply to all undergraduates and to students in the Dartmouth Graduate Studies programs and at Thayer School of Engineering, which offers both undergraduate and graduate programs. Tuition for the Geisel School of Medicine will increase 5 percent to $56,104, and tuition for the Tuck School of Business will increase 4.5 percent to $61,605.

[hughee99]

8. This protest was a great idea!

Look, we all know there's no one more responsible for the plight of, and less receptive to objectives of #blm than wealthy, white, northeast ivy league college students. We need to send the message that "safe space" is only for some people, or only when it fits your agenda. Confrontation and verbal abuse based on race is okay, as long as you say the "right" things. I'm quite sure that these sort of tactics were able to convert many people to #blm's way of thinking.

[Tipperary]

174. You said it perfectly.

[NaturalHigh]

245. I'm practically a convert after reading the OP!

Yes, it's

[KamaAina]

228. Most of the Ivies offer much better aid packages than other expensive colleges

thanks to their large endowments. All save Brown have need-blind admissions, I believe.

[GummyBearz]

4. Hmmm... I will take even odds this gets alerted on

Unfortunately, we can't have adult debates here when it comes to certain issues.

[B2G]

5. Crossing university libraries off the safe space list.

[NCTraveler]

6. Rise up my friends.

People are becoming uncomfortable and it's working. Great job and it's being elevated to the next level.

[Comrade Grumpy]

9. Right on! We love the sight of white girl tears. It was a glorious victory...

...against students trying to study in the college library.

[NCTraveler]

10. POC are not safe in school environments because of the color of their skin.

Save your crap for someone else. These are adults. I understand you are concerned that some white girls felt uncomfortable. Your concern for white tears is noted.

[Comrade Grumpy]

19. Yeah, Dartmouth is a cesspool of racist violence.

You seem to be perfectly fine with these young white women, who didn't do anything to anybody, being battered with racial epithets, but are peeved that I referred to them as "girls." Okay.

[whathehell]

40. Your complete LACK of concern for white anyone is also noted

[Codeine]

160. Who, oh who will stand for the whites?!

The poor trampled-upon whites -- who will advocate their position?!

[Duckhunter935]

165. so two wrongs make it right

OK

[whathehell]

191. Right!..Bring on the abuse, 'cause, um, uh "white privilege"

or something"

What a assunine response.

[Codeine]

198. "What a assunine response"

God, the jokes write themselves sometimes.

[whathehell]

226. No, if a typo is your best 'joke'

It's clearly not 'writing itself'.

[adigal]

238. A woman on the comment thread made a great point about white tears and white privilege

Fragile white girls were crying because someone yelled some mean things at them. But what of the actions in this country that led many of the protestors to the point where they protested?? First of all, the vandalized Black Lives Matter poster in the library, which started this protest. Then, the systemic, pervasive racism that black people experience, whether in a store, on a highway, in a restaurant or on an Ivy league college campus, where they are told they are "less than" by many rich white kids who claim the minorities only got in because of affirmative action.

Maybe after years of racism directed at you, you have more important things to deal with than the privileged white girls' tears. And I KNOW if my white daughter was being screamed at by people who have dealt with things she will never, ever have to deal with, she would have understood the reasons and not been crying about it.

[whathehell]

244. This 'white 'girl' isn't fragile...I.don't cry.

I get in their faces and give back all the crap they try to give me...If you and yours want to offer yourselves

up as Sacrificial Lambs of White Guilt, knock yourselves out, but you'll have to excuse the rest of us

if we snicker a little while we 'pass' on the 'collective guilt' scam.

[NaturalHigh]

247. I'm guessing my daughter would laugh and give them the finger.

[whathehell]

250. Yeah, that's about right.

[adigal]

252. I raised my daughter to have compassion for people who have suffered. nt

[NaturalHigh]

253. So did I, but I didn't raise her to suffer fools.

[whathehell]

268. She should, but that doesn'require offering oneself up as a scapegoat. n/t

[Facility Inspector]

29. uhhhhh . . . yeah. Rise up. At the library. At Dartmouth

okay.

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

Not saying you are ridiculous or even trying to offend you, but please listen to yourself.

[NCTraveler]

36. I am perfectly fine with your thoughts about me. I am not concerned about them. nt.

[snooper2]

231. thoughts don't have feelings

[Travis_0004]

38. It is working

Im ready to tell these protestors to go fuck themselves

[RobinA]

144. It's Working?

Only if "working" means turning people against you.

[Lizzie Poppet]

200. If by "working," you mean alienating potential allies...

...and quite possibly creating racists out of previously unprejudiced people, then yeah...it's "working" a fucking treat.

[Ace Rothstein]

7. These "protesters" come off like a bunch of assholes just looking for attention.

[NCTraveler]

11. A bunch of patriots looking to not be discriminated against, beaten, shot, or unjustly targeted.

There, fixed it for you.

[Duckhunter935]

15. Yes that happens a lot in

The library.

[NCTraveler]

18. They are not safe from racists in any environment.

[Duckhunter935]

27. That's not a library

And the now fired cop was called after she repeatedly failed to put her phone away. Easiest way for that not to happen is to have some respect for others and put her phone away.

[NCTraveler]

34. I really don't care if I get hidden at this point. This is just fucking sick.

"Easiest way for that not to happen is to have some respect for others and put her phone away."

We are talking about a racist adult beating a young fucking girl in school.

[Duckhunter935]

66. And if you would please put your

Anger at me aside, you would have read that I am glad he was fired and should be charged. The young lady is not entirely not at fault in this either. She was politely asked to put the phone away long before that disgraced asshole cop was called. She refused and escalated the situation. Nothing racist about her refusal to put her phone away when politely asked as she was disrupting learning for all of the other students black, white or brown.

[brush]

53. So you're okay with what happened to that just orphaned teen girl . . .

because she didn't put her phone away?

Feel good about yourself?

[Duckhunter935]

77. No, I am not OK whith what happened to her

I guess I just expect people to have common courtesy for others like when I was brought up. It should have never gotten to that level. Easy fix, have some common courtesy and put the phone away when you are politely asked to.

[Rex]

82. Don't fall for the bait...

you will be on here all day wasting your time.

[MosheFeingold]

73. I find it interesting that it is OK to blame a white for the actions of other whites.

I personally think people are responsible for their own actions, and not of others.

Group punishment is nonsense. I don't hate present-day Germans because various day Germans gassed most of my family (including my elder brother and sister) and then threw them in ovens.

I don't hate Muslim Arabs as a group because various individual Muslim Arabs go around stabbing random Jewish people.

Similarly, it is nonsense to corner and verbally abuse random Asian and White people in a library for the acts of other white (or Asian) people.

People are individuals, and to treat individual whites (or Asians) wrongly because other members who may share similar pigmentation are asshats is stupid and non-productive. That's like something a stupid redneck racist would do to black people.

[polly7]

192. This is a good post.

Targeting individuals who did nothing just because of their skin colour makes no sense, and accomplishes zilch.

And I'm very sorry about your family.

[hifiguy]

204. I daresay that a library at an Ivy League college

is about as physically safe a place as there is anywhere, for any student using said library for its intended purpose.

This is assholish behavior. And it takes nothing whatsoever in the way of courage to raise a stink in such a place.

[Waldorf]

50. I think the previous posters comment fits much better than yours.

[NaturalHigh]

249. Where do you get this stuff?

This is just great with my morning coffee.

[LanternWaste]

39. You conflate 'infer' and 'imply'. Though I realize convenience it affords one's bias.

You conflate 'infer' and 'imply'. Though I realize convenience it affords one's bias.

[Nye Bevan]

12. Aren't protests usually outdoors, to be visible, seen and heard?

What's going to be achieved by yelling at students in a library who are trying to finish an essay or study for midterms? It seems that this is just going to annoy people who would probably otherwise be sympathetic to the cause.

[NCTraveler]

16. Here is why I disagree with you.

The classroom is not safe for POC. This is the perfect environment for this to take place in. No place should currently be safe from protest as POC are not safe in any environment. You truly cannot say POC are safe in a library today. They aren't.

[Ace Rothstein]

17. How is the classroom not safe for POC?

Be specific.

[NCTraveler]

20. Is this specific enough for you?

[Duckhunter935]

22. And if she put her phone away when asked

That asshole former cop would not have been called. I am glad he was fired.

[NCTraveler]

26. "And if she put her phone away when asked"

WTF. I need no more.

[Duckhunter935]

31. And

It would have never escalated to the point of calling that asshole cop. So you are saying it is fine for a person to disrupt all of the other students learning, kind of selfish.

[NCTraveler]

37. "So you are saying it is fine for a person to disrupt all of the other students learning"

Last refuge of a racist. This is getting sick. I know you are just trying to bait and I'm sure this will be your success. Ohh well.

[Duckhunter935]

42. Nothing racist about her disruption

In a class. Nothing racist about the initial request to put the phone away. Too bad she just did not do that. The fired cops responce had that as part of it. Glad he was fired and hope he is charged.

[brush]

61. Come on, we argued this out when the incident happened

The teachers, principal, and of course the violent cop handled the situation horrendously.

I have several friends who are teachers and they all said that the teacher should have moved the rest of the class out to another room and then deal with the student, recently orphaned btw, who no longer would have the audience to act out in front of.

And to those who say "oh, well then you're disrupting the learning of the rest of the class". So what! Any teacher worth their salt can make up an hour or two disruption over the course of a semester.

All the authority figures made the worst decisions they could have in that situation.

[Duckhunter935]

44. I hope you just did not call me a racist

[NaturalHigh]

254. So since you have nothing else, you call him a racist.

Perfect. Exactly what I would expect.

[Ace Rothstein]

24. And that cop should be charged.

One incident doesn't make the classroom unsafe for POC.

[Duckhunter935]

32. Yep and he was fired

But she is not entirely guilt free either.

[Ace Rothstein]

35. Agreed.

There are consequences to everyone's actions whether it is the girl who didn't put her phone away or the cop who unnecessarily body-slammed her.

[whathehell]

81. Um, that didn't happen st Dartmouth..

Get it?

[hifiguy]

215. You're arguing with a tree.

Facts bounce off of some like bullets off of Superman.

[whathehell]

220. True, that. n/t

[romanic]

41. STOP IT!

Enough! We know people of color face a whole lot of shit, I can definitely vouch for that. But you saying "POC aren't safe anywhere" is straight up manipulative propaganda. Your line of thinking doesn't help the fight for equality, it just stirs up more problems towards that goal. Again just stop it!

[Duckhunter935]

45. Yes

I fully agree with your post.

[whathehell]

54. Thank you. n,/t

[NCTraveler]

62. "But you saying "POC aren't safe anywhere" is straight up manipulative propaganda."

Bullshit, it's a fact.

[Duckhunter935]

71. No not really

[romanic]

75. It is a fact.

And you're trying to morph it with emotional manipulation to instill fear into POC to suit your agenda.

[whathehell]

248. It's overstated...Apparently, they were quite safe at Dartmouth.

[TacoD]

56. Jury results

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I am as liberal as they come....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7353672

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ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Telling another duer to stfu

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[Duckhunter935]

72. To bad calling a person a racist

In this thread will not get the same result

[cali]

49. Do you have any evidence that classes at Dartmouth aren't safe for students of color?

And I don't think comparing a relatively poor urban high school classroom with Dartmouth makes any sense. Btw, the incident at the Dartmouth library was not part of the organized protest.

[NCTraveler]

64. It's a eutopia of equality. I would laugh if I didn't think you were serious. nt.

[cali]

87. Ok, so you don't have any evidence. And I think you meant utopia

Btw, I support the protest at Dartmouth, but I don't think that some of the behavior at the library was positive or helpful. It is quite ironic, however.

[NCTraveler]

92. Evidence?

Some aspects of Sanders supporters has become very clear. I mean amazingly clear. You need evidence? Seriously? This implosion is painful to watch. The good thing about it, I'm finally realize what many said to me early on about Sanders is coming to fruition through his supporters. Very eye opening.

[cali]

102. Evidence that classes at Dartmouth aren't safe for students of color there. Yeah, that waould

help. You made a claim with no evidence.

And your habit of insinuating that anyone who doesn't agree with you a 100% on this issue is deplorable. Disgusting. Shameful.

And yes, it's ironic that you have no problem at all with students feeling they aren't in a safe space- as long as they're white or not on board with what you believe.

Ugly, ugly stuff from you

[Duckhunter935]

110. and I would think

possibly one of the ones that has a quick finger on the alert button to censor views they do not agree with. Truly democratic of them.

[NCTraveler]

115. Love this post and your last one to me.

Really says all that needs to be said. Eye openers and more transparent than you think.

[Duckhunter935]

118. Yes I agree, your posts are very eye opening

in a sad way unfortunately

[NCTraveler]

125. I fully understand you see it as sad. Something I have made very clear I am comfortable with.

With one of your posts upthread, I appreciate that you find my posts to be sad. You know, your "she should have put away her cell phone" post. Yeah. That one. I stand in direct opposition to you in this area. Her cell phone had nothing to do with the beating. The color of her skin did. That is on you. You literally made a justification for the beating. Not kind of, but in your face justification.

[cali]

124. Right back at you, my dear friend

[NCTraveler]

127. Thanks cali.

Welcome back. Always more exciting with you around.

[adigal]

239. I have to agree with this...I don't think there are very many places safe for POC in this country

Not the highways, schools, streets, movie theaters, stores, often not even their own neighborhoods. Definitely not walking in a white neighborhood. That liberals are denying that is astounding.

[cali]

246. I am speaking only of Dartmouth classrooms.

[Duckhunter935]

106. Lets see some of that evidence

[hifiguy]

216. The universe will reach heat death

before you get a meaningful and factual response. Bet on it.

[Duckhunter935]

230. I know

It does get quiet

[hifiguy]

233. Yep

[randys1]

255. I can see why most of my AfAm friends from the AfAm forum wont post in this thread, they

warn against it.

you have courage, my friend

[NCTraveler]

13. Just in case we haven't heard enough whitesplaining this morning.

Here is a little more whitesplaining from the "Sane" Progressive.

People need to stop this bullshit.

[Duckhunter935]

21. "Whitesplaining"

Nothing racial about that term. May you should think about your words too.

[NCTraveler]

23. Perfectly comfortable with my term there.

The question is, what is your issue with that term?

[Duckhunter935]

33. I am sure you are

And that is part of the problem

[whathehell]

63. Is racist verbal abuse by black students "blacksplaining"?

[Facility Inspector]

69. it's bullying

plain and simple.

[Duckhunter935]

74. That until

You ad the racist insults, then it gets much worse. Too bad some hear think it is acceptable at all from any side of the issue.

[Lizzie Poppet]

203. Pre-fucking-cisely.

And at some point, a hyper-aggressive protest like this is going to end in blood. That will be a tragedy on several levels.

[Facility Inspector]

206. Cowards don't have the intestinal fortitude

to take the fight to those who actually need fighting.

[cprise]

212. Cowards have a tendency to pick easy targets

Which I think demonstrates that BLM is broad and attracting many different people. Some of their demonstrations have shown bravery and discretion and I admire that.

However, the demonstrators *really* need to get to grips with the downside of that fact. Otherwise they'll just be setting themselves up for greater tragedy.


Danger Checklist for Social Movements:

1. Leaderless (check)

2. No acknowledgement of intellectuals (check)

3. Afraid and Angry (check)

4. Speaking truth to power no longer a priority (aiming at random people) - (check)

This is a recipe for attracting sociopaths and risking physical conflicts. Once they get to a point where they make a group like ACT UP! seem discerning and low-key, they're headed for major problems.

[Tipperary]

14. Students who attend Dartmouth calling others "privileged."

Ok.

[Facility Inspector]

25. Teh disconnect! it hurts

my eyes! i can't see my eyes!

[whathehell]

55. LOL!

[Historic NY]

205. Interesting how does that work.

TUITION AND EXPENSES
Cost of Attendance $67,652
Tuition and Fees $49,506
Room and Board $14,238
Books and Supplies $1,260
Other Expenses $2,648

Dartmouth College Tuition, Costs and Financial Aid ...
www.collegedata.com/cs/data/college/college_pg03_tmpl.jhtml?schoolId...

[adigal]

240. Ivy League schools mostly have endowments in billions and give out tons of financial aid

My son went to Vassar. Cost to us: $7000 a year. My other kids who went to lower tier schools - cost to us: 45000 a year. Loans until they die.

The Ivies and little Ivies give lower income kids who are smart enough to get in the money they need to attend. It is one of the best things about them.

[hifiguy]

217. No SHIT.

[B2G]

28. Isn't the BLM movement about police brutality?

How has it morphed into screaming at white kids studying in a library?

What is that supposed to accomplish other than alienating a whole bunch of people who agree with them?

[whathehell]

264. Yes, it started that way, but judging by this incident and others,

it seems to have morphed into a generalized hostility toward whites, and I think the "white privilege" meme, bogus as it is,

encourages that -- After all, everyone resents people who are "privileged", right?

[philosslayer]

30. Video for those interested

[Tipperary]

47. Ridiculous.

[randys1]

256. Yes, slaughtering people for the color of their skin sure is, I am so proud of the AfAm community

that instead of reacting with VIOLENCE as most others would do , they react in peace.

Reverse everything the past 200 yrs, put Black where white is, and this country is burned completely and totally to the ground ten times over by now.

[BeyondGeography]

43. A few people who can't control their anger using the protest to be mean to fellow humans

Fucks things up every time. Especially when there is no leadership.

[romanic]

46. They all need to be expelled.

All this "space" this and "space" that doesn't mean shit when you're surrounding students in a library, blocking doors, and following them out in the parking lot screaming at them. This isn't a protest, it's a bunch of adult babies acting stupid and slapping a "black lives matter" stamp on it. Shame on them. Making people uncomfortable doesn't further a cause, it just makes people behind the cause look like assholes which is what these so-called activists look like.

I bet none of these sheltered morons would do any of this at a police station or at a courthouse where the real system goes after black people (not white kids in a college library).

[whathehell]

88. Yes, and you're right...They're just bullies using blm

as an excuse. to act out their racisl resentment. Fuck 'em.

[whathehell]

51. I figured this is where the "white privilege" meme was going.

It's implicitly hostile and a not so subtle attempt to

demonize the "privileged" whites..

[randys1]

257. This depresses me to think that the Democratic Party is filled with so many people who still

dont get it, but that is what privilege does, it blinds one.

[whathehell]

260. It depresses me to think the Democratic Party is filled with so many people

who can't seem to think logically...It's been explained repeatedly.

[randys1]

263. Explained? Jesus, I cant , I dont, I just, never mind

[whathehell]

266. The lack of logic in the concept of fair treatment

being a "privilege", rather than a norm?


You're right -- Never mind.

[jack_krass]

269. Did you ever stop and think that

Maybe it's *you* who doesn't "get it"?

[randys1]

270. Oh I do, you see I am white and I am full of privilege and I know it.

[Chitown Kev]

52. You know what's funny about this?

The legacy of white supremacy.

Black folks have rarely been safe in public spaces or in "safe spaces" for pretty much the entire period of the American republic...

And now white folks are outraged, I tell you, OUTRAGED that precious little snowflakes are being disturbed.

Read up on some of the history of what happened (and still happens) to POC and other minorities in public spaces and even on college campuses and then get back with me.

[GummyBearz]

57. And the students in that library are all guilty of that history

About half the BLM shouters were blonde whiteys... lol. Did you watch the video, or just throw your broad brush on this single event and claim the moral high ground with past injustices?

[Chitown Kev]

70. Not past injustices at all

You may want to read up a bit on some of the things that happened at Mizzou, that happened at Claremont McKenna in California, that happened at Yale.

Students of color and LGBT's are being inconveniced on that basis and that basis alone.

(I do disagree about the library part, though, for me a library is about as sacred a space as you can get)

[NobodyHere]

60. So students should be happy that some assholes disrupt their studying?

Especially in a class that will saddle them with debt for the rest of their lives?

[Facility Inspector]

65. What?

Didn't you know EVERY white person in college is a 1%er trillionaire who owned slaves?

/sarcasm

[TM99]

134. And you are a part of the very real modern problem

with these types of rage fueled 'protests'. And I definitely put that in quotes.

My black father and white mother marched for civil rights. I grew up in a world of bigotry, racism, and prejudice. I have seen the struggles, the pain, and have felt the rage.

But this is not activism. This is not constructive. This does not further our cause. This does not highlight injustices. This will not help our communities.

This is rage and bullying behavior - nothing more and nothing less.

That you justify this with pseudo-intellectualism makes you a part of this problem.

Shoving white kids and yelling in their faces till they cry does NOTHING! It does not engender support. It does not create alliances to fight systemic racism. It only antagonizes and creates more conflict.

The precious fucking little snowflakes are these little ragers. They are students at Dartmouth. Talk about being fucking privileged.

[B2G]

138. THANK you!!

[Duckhunter935]

143. ^^^this

[Crabby Appleton]

189. Well said

I agree

[polly7]

193. +1000. nt.

[romanic]

194. Absolutely!

[Codeine]

58. Oh noes!! Rich white kids made to feel uncomfortable

for a few minutes on their well-paved and feather-bedded trip to 1%erism.

I cannot bring myself to give a single fuck about spoiled-ass hyper-delicate white college kids. I just can't. They experienced two minutes of what PoC experience daily and they're shitting their panties and enlisting the media to protect their little feefees. Fuck em.

These are the kids who are going to grow up to own us all anyway. Feeling sorry for them is pathetic.

[Facility Inspector]

59. How do you know they are rich?

How do you know the black kids aren't?

[whathehell]

67. She doesn't.

[msrizzo]

80. Being rich doesn't negate white privilege.

Just ask James Blake.

[whathehell]

229. No, and being black doesn't negate being a racist bigot.

[NCTraveler]

79. This. nt.

[Throd]

83. Really? Disappointing. I usually agree with your posts.

[Rex]

85. YEP.

Poor rich kids at Dartmouth...had to feel uncomfortable for a few minutes!

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

135. Funny. You're doing the same thing right-wingers do when they talk about college kids

Ain't that something?

[Codeine]

150. And you're doing the same thing right wingers do

when the subject is institutional racism. I know which subject I would rather be wrong about.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

179. No actually I'm not

But you tell yourself whatever you need to, Trey and/or Matt.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

214. I like that term, "hyper-delicate"

The perfect description of the whiners at Yale & Claremont.

[randys1]

258. Look at this thread. Look at the URL where these comments are being made

If this doesnt make you want to fucking cry, what will?

[Travis_0004]

261. You dont think the black kids are on the way to 1%

I would assume everybody at an ivy leage college is privileged, black and white.

[Codeine]

262. Black 1% =/= White 1% nt

[Rex]

68. Good for the students protesting.

I see some just cannot stand #blm. Gee, what a surprise. NOT.

[whathehell]

76. No, some can't stand hostile racial bigotry. Period.

I support blm...I don,'t support the shitty, racial bigotry of these supposed "protesters"

[Rex]

78. I was talking about the upset kiddies in the article.

I don't really care what racists on DU think. They are on my ignore list.

[whathehell]

96. What "kiddies" are you referring to?

[Rex]

98. The students that were upset by the protests.

Poor rich kids have to think now.

[whathehell]

105. The students had a right to be upset -- The "protesters'

"protesters" acted likr racist bullies.

[Rex]

120. Wrong.

[whathehell]

196. Yes, you are.

[Duckhunter935]

116. what racists are here on DU?

Why don't you point them out

[Rex]

121. Oh how cute.

Your baiting skills are below par.

[Comrade Grumpy]

156. You think DU is full of racists? That says more about you than DU.

[Rex]

157. Full? Again, kewl story bro.

Get with me when it actually changes to something but your tired narrative.

[Duckhunter935]

162. Too bad, he or she is afraid to actually

point them out but just makes broad sweeping disgusting attacks on DU members.

[Rex]

166. LOL! Yes I saw you begging another poster to call you a racist upthread.

You are amazingly dense, I will give you that. Kewl story...don't you have a plane to catch?

[Duckhunter935]

175. That poster all but did call me a racist

I am just asking a simple question. You know what answer I was hoping for? This one "No, I do not think you are a racist". The silence is deafening when I asked both of you posters that question.

Simple yes or no answer and both could not answer it, lol

[randys1]

265. Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots, tens of millions, actually, of racists in America

surely some are here at DU, no?

[randys1]

259. I wish I could not care what "some" think on DU, I cant get it out of my head that you

simply CANT be a liberal and have these attitudes we are seeing here.

Maybe I dont understand the meaning of the word, possible.

I know rightwingers tell me all the time that a real liberal is a libertarian.

[romanic]

84. Amen.

But we'll hear the same excuses some use to justify racial bigotry from black people because "oppression". Just like a few excused those protesters trying to silence an Asian immigrant during a protest because she said something that didn't fit the narrative.

[adigal]

241. Why did you put "oppression" in quotes? Do you think it wasn't a real thing?

Just something made up by black people?? Interesting.

[cali]

90. I have respect and admiration for BLM.

I don't support the behavior of a few of the protesters. I have no problem with those chanting in the library.

[Rex]

93. Well maybe it will make the students that are upset use their critical thinking skills.

I am always for non-violent protests. That is the way to do it imo.

[BeyondGeography]

103. Verbal abuse is violence

And it will do nothing to channel productive critical thinking. Other than that, good point.

[Rex]

109. Wrong.

They were protesting, learn the difference and get back with me.

[Tipperary]

129. How is a protest in a library going to further their cause?

It makes no sense.

I learned as a child how to behave in libraries. Apparently, these "protesters", both black and white, never learned these same rules. I cannot imagine trying to study for an exam and having a bunch of selfish fools come in chanting.

Seriously, how does a protest in a university library help anyone's cause?

[AngryAmish]

235. Racism and bigotry is violence.

[Throd]

108. Maybe they are already sympathetic to BLM but don't like being screamed at.

And maybe people screaming at others based on race could use a little critical thinking while they're at it.

[Rex]

114. I love all the whitesplaining in this thread.

You folks bending over backwards for the scared privileged kids really makes me LOL. Try harder next time.

[Duckhunter935]

123. good comeback

use a racially derogatory statement will help you out a lot. Truly sad.

[Rex]

131. LOL! Like you care.

The day I believe you care or are sincere about anything on DU...well that day will never happen. Goodluck with that being sadz stuff. Seems fake as hell.

Now go waste someone elses time.

[Duckhunter935]

133. Acually I do

racism is bad, whoever is targeted. Some just seem to be blinded by hate, I hope that is not you.

[Rex]

137. LOL!

Kewl story.

[Duckhunter935]

141. well the truth

I guess bothers some

[Rex]

153. It obviously bothers you a great deal.

So sad.

[Duckhunter935]

210. Yes indeed racism does bother me

[Throd]

136. Nice dumbsplaining.

I will call out shitty, unproductive protests regardless of the participants. Every time.

You seem to have a litmus test and situational ethics.

[Lizzie Poppet]

208. Gosh, thanks for mansplaining this to me!

I feel ever so much more informed...

[Tipperary]

209. And the black and white students chanting in the library who are also Dartmouth students

are somehow NOT privileged?

Jesus H. Christ.

[Codeine]

211. Black Person Makes White Girl Cry; a Nation Mourns.

More outrage over loud black kids than the racism that set them off.

[TM99]

218. Did you know that the first draft of MLK'

I have a dream speech actually started out with "Fuck you, you white racist asshats!".

[cali]

113. Intimidation and mockery do not aid in getting people to use their critical thinking skills.

Chanting. Holding signs and that kind of action might have. But some went beyond that to personal attacks and bullying.

[Rex]

119. Oh I doubt the protesting will make any of the scared students think critically.

We can see some here not do that ever and they are supposedly adults.

[NobodyHere]

86. Could you imagine the outrage

If it was white protesters disrupting black students and yelling racial slurs at them?

DU would be calling for their heads!

[whathehell]

94. Absolutely.

But you see, blacks 'can't be racist', which according to some, it seems, gives them a license to abuse innocent white students ..."white privilege " you know.

[Duckhunter935]

126. Yep, truly sad

[Throd]

89. This "protest" can only happen within the bubble of a safe campus.

Go off campus, scream racial invective at strangers and see what happens.

[romanic]

91. To the usual suspects defending this

if things got physical (which looked like it was close to getting), would you still support the few who ran around berating white students (and the few POC students who sat and were berated as well)?

lol why am i asking I already know the answer. I guess right-wingers aren't the only ones who want a race war.

[Rex]

95. Nice fiction there, but that didn't happen now did it?

Usual suspects in here railing against #blm is pathetic.

[B2G]

99. So evidently supporting BLS means

Cheering every single action by every single group acting in their name.

Sorry, some of us are a little more discriminating than that.

[Rex]

101. What is BLS?

Maybe make some sense first?

[B2G]

104. What do you think it means? nt

[Rex]

107. BLS? No idea, I know BLM means Black Lives Matter.

I guess that is all that matters to some here, staying outraged at POC seems to be their hobby. Whatever.

[B2G]

112. In case you hadn't noticed,

there were a good number of white kids doing the shouting.

I would think you would have seen that since all you seem to care about is the color of peoples' skin.

[Rex]

117. Seems some only care about white skin...but that is not directed at you.

Some seem to be posters from Stormfront and got the wrong website. Go fig.

[B2G]

122. Stormfront. Lol.

Yeah, as my kids would say, "that's my jam".

[Duckhunter935]

130. why do you not point them out then, scared?

[Rex]

132. I don't have to they are obvious.

[Duckhunter935]

140. so are you calling me a racist?

just go ahead and say it if you think that strongly about me. Your convictions must not be very genuine if you do not care about a possible hide if you think it is true.

[Rex]

154. I don't have to call you anything, you project everything you are for the world to see.

And your paranoia speaks volumes about you...okay enough wasting time on you. Bye bye.

[Duckhunter935]

159. not paranoia

when you are talking to me or the very few DU members in this thread. Like I said I guess your convictions must not be to genuine if all you can do is make general accusations against DU members here and then run away. Very telling that you can not bring yourself to say I am not a racist also. For myself I am just glad I am against racism directed and any person, no matter what their ethnicity.

Have a great day, have to get on a plane here shortly.

[Rex]

161. Kewl story.

Really it is.

[Duckhunter935]

169. yes it is "cool"

to call it a story though would just be a lie.

[sufrommich]

97. " I guess right-wingers aren't the only ones who want a race war"

Jesus,Joseph and Mary. Put your mask back on.

[romanic]

151. lol

You so far off you're practically off the grid. Have a nice day.

[Rex]

152. LOL!

Kewl story!

[romanic]

197. Come back with some better material.

Saying "kewl" like a 10-year old valley girl on a sugar high doesn't make your position convincing.

[Duckhunter935]

207. I know

[Codeine]

111. We've been in the midst of a low-intensity

race war since the end of the Civil War. All of a sudden it's an outrage because a pretty white college student had her widdle feefees hurt and shed crocodile tears in the library of her Ivy League sanctuary.

Some college kids got righteously angry and yelled some shit white people desperately need to hear. Those poor, sweet, delicate kiddies will survive just fucking fine.

[Rex]

128. No they won't! They will now need expensive therapy!

Institutional racism is a scary concept! Much better to never talk about it or have to deal with the blowback. Some in here are really good at the pretend outrage and some here are just really bad at it and should stop right now.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

139. Protesters hate it when other students exert their privilege to go to class, study, etc.

You know, the things you're supposed to be there for.

[Truprogressive85]

145. Good for protesting students

Black students voice their concerns on not feeling safe on campus yet what has Dartmouth done to address such issues ?

If I were a parent and my child told me that he/she and his/her peers were getting threats and the school failed to address it I would cause ruckus as well.

or do we have to wait until something happens to a black student in order for Dartmouth to investigate the threats ?

[B2G]

146. What threats?

I haven't seen any.

[Truprogressive85]

147. like this

other reports expressed concern from demonstrators, claiming they are being falsely accused of being violent. Some reports claim that demonstrators are being named on Yik Yak and other social media sites, and that this creates a potentially unsafe situation for those people

[B2G]

148. Are you serious?

They storm into a library, intimidate and hurl slurs at kids studying and they are then called out on social media and now they're crying about it?

Really.

[Truprogressive85]

167. What slurs ?

So threats against students protesting are ok because a student that was in the library was crying ?

So should black students be safe of campus ??

[Rex]

168. Goodluck.

The few people in here trying to waste time from the actual topic is pathetic. Goodluck with them.

[B2G]

170. I have yet to see you post a threat

any of the protesters have received.

[Truprogressive85]

176. The students said they filed reports with the school and nothing has ever been done

[B2G]

180. If they were truly threatened,

it would be all over the web.

After seeing that protest, I am confident they would be storming the president's office if they really had been.

[Truprogressive85]

183. really

So when a victim of sexually assault reports to the school and nothing is done :if they were truly a victim they would all over the web ?


wow so because its not all over the web therefore it didn't happened in your eyes

[B2G]

187. Yes, that's a perfect comparison.

[Duckhunter935]

184. Well I am sure they have the paperwork

and I would have also been protesting the leadership and not students in a library.

[Duckhunter935]

177. It seems they have not

but they seemed to have threatened any students that happened to be in the library.

[hughee99]

149. Just curious, what happens if one of the white students expresses concerns

about not feeling safe on campus after an incident where they were studying in the library and a group of people came in shouting things like "Fuck your white asses".

What action should Dartmouth take to address such issues?

[Truprogressive85]

155. Well

The should investigate it and find the group of students

The school can either call for suspension or exploitation of the group students

There are white students using a app used by college aged students making threats is not something any school should take lightly.

[hughee99]

158. So if someone complains about this, you'd be okay with Dartmouth

taking action, including suspension, against some of the protesters?

[Truprogressive85]

163. Protesting has consequences and I'm sure they know that !

If that's what the school deems fits

Sometimes in order for you to be heard it take risks

[hughee99]

164. Fair enough. n/t

[Truprogressive85]

171. Should black students feel safe on campus ?

[hughee99]

172. Absolutely! I'm just not sure that this protest will further that goal. n/t

[Truprogressive85]

182. Protest is to bring awareness

[romanic]

202. I thought protest was to bring about change.

Or do ya'll like to keep moving the goal posts to cover the protester's asses when things go south?

[Truprogressive85]

213. Ok ms/mr bubble

No moving goal post

Just tell you facts

The march on Washington and Selma brought awareness made which made JFK meet MLK

Do you hav a problem with black people voicing thoer opinions and expressing their 1st amendment rights ?

[Duckhunter935]

178. of course

as should all students

[geek tragedy]

173. Apparently rich white kids need a safe space nt

[Duckhunter935]

181. every student does

[geek tragedy]

186. What about the first amendment? nt

[Duckhunter935]

188. It sounds like there were threats

threats are not covered.

[geek tragedy]

190. There are rumors from college Republicans to that effect. Not credible nt

[hifiguy]

219. Dartmouth is a private college.

As such, they can make their own rules.

If it's a state institution, the 1A applies, but it's not germane to the actions of a private college or university, though it should be considered.

No 1A protection anywhere for disrupting any library - time, place and manner restrictions would apply even if Dartmouth were public.

Raising a shitstorm in any library is just plain shitty, spoiled, bratty and childish behavior.

[geek tragedy]

222. Not disagreeing but I doubt very much the protestors

gave or give two shits what either of us think.

[hifiguy]

223. True.

But if I were a Dartmouth student studying in the library when this happened I know who I would be very disgusted with and far less likely to listen to.

[geek tragedy]

224. Sure, but provocation is a tactic nt

[Codeine]

185. We call that space "America". nt

[whathehell]

195. No, I think rich white kids should be beat up for their ,"privilege "

Only the Officially Oppressed deserve safety.

[geek tragedy]

199. There are no credible reports of physical threats nt

[TM99]

201. You mean none that you will accept

because they may be from someone with on the red team and not the blue team.

Whether it proves there was indeed physical violence or not, their verbal abuse was violent, rage filled, unproductive, and does nothing to help my community.

[whathehell]

221. Verbal abuse is bad enough.

[geek tragedy]

225. What counts as verbal abuse? nt

[whathehell]

227. What was reported in the OP..

made worse by the physical intimidation.

[geek tragedy]

232. Have any complaints been filed or are we still at the rumor stage? nt

[B2G]

234. The protesters admitted this.

NAACP president Jonathan Diakanwa ’16 said there were incidents of close verbal confrontations between individuals, and that although these students could have been uncomfortable or scared, there was no physical violence of any kind.

Many of the demonstrators then approached the sitting students and chanted “F**k your white privilege” and “F**k your white asses,” demonstrator Dan Korff-Korn ’19 said.

“It was important to point out that the students sitting there in the library at the computers represented this greater degree of ignorance, apathy and privilege that you see at Dartmouth, but the way it was done by personally attacking people was counterproductive,” Korff-Korn said.

Comments such as “F*** your white privilege” were not personal or racist attacks on individual white persons in the library, Diakanwa said. Instead, these comments were meant to target the legacy of white supremacy that many students have benefited from and students of color are fighting against, he said.

Full article here:

http://thedartmouth.com/2015/11/17/college-sees-no-official-reports-of-violence-at-protest-despite-rumors/

[MichMan]

236. How woudnt it be racist,?

If I am studying in the library with friends and someone gets in my face shouting F*** your white asses, how could anyone categorize it as anything but racism directed at an individual

[B2G]

237. You'll get no argument from me on that. nt

[NaturalHigh]

251. You're right. It is racism.

Of course that will be hotly disputed by a small but vocal crowd that is doing its best to redefine the word.

[jack_krass]

271. Nope. Only whites can be racist

"Fuck your white ass" translates roughly to "we don't feel safe", or somethng. I'm probably whitesplaining again so I'll shut up now.

[whathehell]

242. I'd say "Fuck your white asses" is quite personal. You can imagine the outrage were it in reverse.

Seems.like the "white privilege" meme is being used as an excuse to abuse white people, a kind.of updated "get Whitey".

[NaturalHigh]

243. Wait a minute...

These clods are going to school at Dartmouth, and they somehow feel discriminated against. I would have welcomed some of that discrimination when I was eighteen and going to a junior college. My scholarship, which amounted to about $1500 a semester, was great at the time, but it wouldn't have bought me the time of day at Dartmouth.

Tell these privileged little asses to get back to class.

[romanic]

267. With all said and done.

This display of student idiocy will not bring us any closer to fighting racism or bias on or off campus. But to the very few (like 4 or 5 of ya'll attempting to justify this "protest&quot that this is the way to go in terms of student activism.

[IMG][/IMG]

After all free speech is for everyone (until one of these college kids become a politician and makes that illegal).

[Warren DeMontague]

272. Somewhere, the Koch brothers are laughing their asses off.