Who is funding ISIS

[SHRED]

And why isn't that subject the lead stories?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. I'm guessing the royal family of Saudi Arabia.

[patsimp]

4. and Pakistan

[itcfish]

18. Saudi Arabia and Pakistan

The biggest backers of terrorism and yet they are our "friends". They should be bombing those two countries!

[72DejaVu]

2. If they're making money selling oil

who is buying it?

[SidDithers]

3. They fund themselves...

They've seized oil fields, and sell the oil on the black market.

They're generating hundreds of millions of dollars from oil sales.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/b8234932-719b-11e5-ad6d-f4ed76f0900a.html#axzz3rg1zsbos

Sid

[underpants]

15. NPR had a report this morning - recruits are told to bring 3-4 months of living expenses

The expert was from George Mason I think. Can't find link.

Recruits are told th being 3-4 months of living expenses with them. Usually raised through petty crime.

As you posted the big money is from black market oil. Also the Saydi royals funded them for much of the 1,000 + years they've had schools. Mostly the weird cousins in the Saudi families.

[WDIM]

20. That trade is being allowed to take place

Its not black market.

War is what the war profiteers want and it is what they getting. This is all done for money.

[Whiskeytide]

22. But applying our resources to shutting down...

... that black market and cutting off funding from other Gulf states would be FAR more effective and less bloody, and would all but end drone strikes and "boots on the ground" issues. These extremists really could not accomplish very much if they were suddenly unable to easily afford arms, explosives, training facilities, passports, etc..., not to mention the basic infrastructure they have to maintain in occupied lands. A starved infrastructure weakens any organization very quickly.

Problems with this approach:

1. It would inflict suffering on many civilians in the occupied areas as they would pay the initial price for reduced resources;

2. It would do little to satisfy the blood lust of the West; and

3. We do a lot of business with those black market types and those responsible Gulf states, it seems. It might get inconvenient very quickly.

[Lint Head]

31. But the NRA says all breathing humans have a right to be armed.

[Jesus Malverde]

36. Just moving hundreds of millions of dollars through the international banking system

and no one can stop them or is it truckloads of cash. What boggles the mind, the year old american bombing campaign hasn't been able to take out the thousands of trucks moving oil into Turkey and beyond.

Only after the Paris attack has the US targeted their funding source. You cannot produce oil, move it and sell it on the scale of hundreds of million without massive infrastructure. Infrastructure that in the year of our campaign against ISIS has remained intact and un-targeted.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2015/11/16/us-a10-attack-planes-hit-isis-oil-convoy-crimp-terror-funding.html

[SereneG]

39. Ditto

Very true!! The Saudis are scared if ISIS. The Sauds have too much to lose. Their heads would be the first on the chopping block as they are perceived by Radical muslims of being puppets to the West.

I can't understand why the members on this forum constantly accuse Saudi Arabia of funding ISIS . And Pakistan? Where did Pakistan get the funds from?

[jeff47]

5. Some money from oil, some money from people in rich gulf countries.

That subject isn't the lead story because it would be inconvenient when our "close allies" are funding them.

[99th_Monkey]

11. I'm grateful to Bernie for starting to call-out ME "allied" nations

to step up to deal with ISIS.

[think]

6. Some of it comes from Qatar:

US imposes sanctions on 2 Qatari nationals for 'terrorism financing'

Despite sanctions, Qatar has not arrested the two individuals

The US Treasury on Wednesday added two Qatari nationals to its list of sanctioned financiers of terror.

Sad bin Sad Muhammad Shariyan al-Kabi and Abd al-Latif Bin Abdallah Salih Muhammad al-Kawari were primarily accused of sending funds to the al-Nusra Front in Syria and al-Qaeda in Pakistan and Afghanistan, respectively.

Kabi was also reportedly involved in the Madad Ahl al-Sham social network which set out to raise funds for Nusra, before being shut down by Qatar in 2015.

“These are important terrorist financiers and we do think this action is going to have a significantly disruptive effect, and significantly impact the ability of groups like al-Qaeda and al-Nusra to raise funds in the Gulf region,” a senior US administration official said.

The official, however, added, that Qatar had not arrested the two men although he said that the “cooperation that we have received from the Qataris on this matter is a testament that our relationship is improving and growing”.

Read more:
http://www.middleeasteye.net/news/two-qatari-nationals-added-list-us-treasury-sanctions-financing-terror-878214490

[Snow Leopard]

9. hmm, drones may have been a better idea

[FLPanhandle]

7. Some of the same Muslims who are publicly condemning the attacks but privately like them

The Saudi's first and foremost.

[BlueCaliDem]

8. I wouldn't know, but whoever it is; whichever group(s) it is, they want another global war.

And I don't believe it's only America's MIC.

It's just been too "peaceful" for too long. Putting on my , I believe we're being frightened into another global war and ISIS is the perfect bogeyman for it. Fear is the greatest motivator to get your people to support wars.

"Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger."

-- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials

Ok. Now I just scared myself.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

13. Your bolded bit is the exact formula used to sell the invasion of Iraq. nt

[BlueCaliDem]

24. It was used to sell the United States into every war we've ever had the misfortune

of getting into. Not just the Iraq war.

[ruffburr]

16. If You really-

Want to know who's at the bottom of this Follow the MONEY!!! I also wonder where it might lead.

[BlueCaliDem]

23. That's the problem...

we don't know where all the money is leading.

[oneshooter]

10. They need to be found, followed and removed.

Nothing public just a few sudden "accidents".

[Initech]

14. Not to mention have their assets seized.

[NobodyHere]

12. A lot of it is "taxes"

taken from the territories they occupy.

Some of it is from oil, though that is thought to be declining since we've bombed some their refineries.

Some from foreign nationals.

Some from countries who pay "protection money" for ISIS to leave them alone.

[Truprogressive85]

17. The US knows

The same people who give money to think tanks and foundations for PR
The same people who have a disgusting human rights record but we call them allies and just approved to give them more arms.

[EdwardBernays]

19. They're being funded

a lot of different ways... and you do hear about it to a degree... but the main players are often allies of the powers that are trying to bomb them to death so... it's inconvenient...

[WDIM]

21. They are being funded by the same war profiteers

that are making trillions on bombing them.

Never ending war for the war profiteers.

[Jesus Malverde]

25. Dempsey admits Arab allies are funding ISIS

Graham seeing the can of worms he just opened quickly changes the subject.

[PatrickforO]

26. House of Saud, I'm sure...

[Cleita]

27. They seem to have acquired oil fields and some entity or nation

is buying oil from them. I heard it on liberal radio this morning and don't have any more details than that.

[easttexaslefty]

28. The house of saud. N/T

[Zen Democrat]

29. The short answer: Sunnis

[AngryAmish]

30. ISIS is funding ISIS

Oil sales and taxes.

[WinkyDink]

32. They are, themselves. They have oil fields and antiquities.

[Manifestor_of_Light]

33. I heard an equivalent term to "Bourbon Baptist".

A guy on RT was talking about Wahhabism, which is a very strict interpretation of Islam perpetrated by the House of Saud. He said they are very strict in public, but in private "drink whiskey and so forth".

He called them "Whiskey Wahhabis".

[TexasBushwhacker]

34. The Saudi royals, Qatar and the UAE n/t

[Takket]

35. ABC news said tonight they generate 40 million per month smuggling oil from fields they control

[Yorktown]

37. Saudi Arabia, Qatar, chiefly. Kuwait less so after the US help in DSI.

Now, the Faustian bargain that Luis was referring to is what George Shultz – co-chairman with me of the Committee on the Present Danger and a not a man easily given to overstatement – calls a grotesque protection racket. And what I meant by the Faustian bargain is that in the 1970s, particularly by 1979, two things happened on the Arabian Peninsula.

The House of Saud became very, very wealthy and very, very frightened – wealthy because of the huge spike in oil prices by the end of the decade, taking them from a couple of billion dollars a year in foreign earnings to 20 billion dollars, and frightened because of two events: the fall of the Shah and the coming to power of Islamists to govern in Tehran among the hated Shiites, and the takeover attempt in Saudi Arabia, which was really a coup attempt that resulted in the takeover of the great mosque in Mecca by Islamist terrorists for a time.

The deal that I believe was struck, whether implicitly or explicitly who can say, was for the Wahhabis to be given all of the money in the world they could ever remotely dream of needing or wanting to spread their sect’s beliefs and for them to leave the House of Saud alone. The effect over the last 30 years, at least according to Alexei Alexiev, is that some 85 to 90 billion dollars – that is “billion” with a B – have been spent fostering and spreading Wahhabism in the world – totals that would have been a dream to the Comintern a generation before. You see it in the “madrassas,” or schools, of Pakistan and in the literature that Paul and Nina described in the Freedom House publication. It is there and really rather obvious.

It is, of course, intensely full of hatred for Shiites, for Sufis, for Jews, for Christians, for women, for music, for modernity, for pretty much everything. And my personal belief is that an important part that helps drive the other totalitarian spirit in different aspects of this doctrine, is their treatment of women, which has got to be the worst in the world, as was the Taliban’s, who were, for all practical purposes, their disciples.

The overall ideology has to do ultimately with the reestablishment of the Caliphate and of the jihad to accomplish this. This Wahhabi sect’s beliefs are being spread very broadly in the Middle East and to here. They bear somewhat the same relationship, as far as I’m concerned, to Islamist terrorist groups such as al Qaeda that the angry German nationalism of the 1920s and early 1930s bore to Nazism. Not all German nationalists became Nazis, much less concentration camp guards, and not all young men who go to Wahhabi schools and madrasses in Pakistan become disciples of Osama bin Laden or terrorists. But that is the soil in which Nazism grew and this is the soil now in which Islamist terrorism is growing.

R. James Woolsey, Former Director of Central Intelligence; Vice President, Booz Allen Hamilton
http://www.pewforum.org/2005/05/03/the-global-spread-of-wahhabi-islam-how-great-a-threat/

[Jesus Malverde]

38. Here is why it isn't the lead story.

The funders of ISIS are major customers of the United States.

US Clears Sale of Air-to-Ground Weapons to Saudi Arabia

The US has cleared a sale of more than 10,000 advanced air-to-ground munitions for Saudi Arabia, a week after key allies in the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) raised concerns over dwindling supplies of weapons.

If cleared by Congress, the sale, which could be worth up to $1.29 billion, would provide a wave of advanced munitions to a Saudi military that has been conducting airstrikes in Syria and Yemen for 13 months.

The contractor for the weapons will be decided by competition, according to a notice posted on the website of the Defense Security Cooperation Agency.

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defense/air-space/strike/2015/11/16/us-clears-huge-sale-air--ground-weapons-saudi/75868166/