Marco Rubio and the "philosopher versus the welder debate".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

I agree with Dr. King that all work is ennobling and you should strive to be the best at your chosen profession...What I would like the senator to answer is whose kids get to do the welding and whose kids get to do the philosophizing.

[juxtaposed]

1. I know union welders and if they are good make over 100k a year.

trades that included in welding.
millwrights
irion workers
boiler makers
pipe fitters.
Some up in the northern states make closer to 200k a year if they are in one of the crafts i listed and they are good at welding.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

2. Nothing wrong with being a welder...

Nothing wrong with being a welder... I just wonder which group's children will be put on the welder track.

[juxtaposed]

4. I know a lot of welders that are philosophers, class doesn't mean much to me.

i respect anyone who is true to themselves.

[former9thward]

7. Schools no longer put anyone on any track.

And they come out of school worthless to any employer. That is part of the problem.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

9. " Schools no longer put anyone on any track."

Not overtly!

[Kingofalldems]

13. Of course the republicans would just love to bust those unions.

[Xipe Totec]

3. Says Rubio philosophically. Well, then grab a blowtorch, blowhard nt

[gratuitous]

5. What about all those labor-saving devices?

Weren't workers supposed to be getting more free time once all those labor-saving devices came into the workplace? Since 1980, workers have been increasing their hours, increasing their productivity, and getting squat-ah in additional pay. All of the wealth generated by that labor has gone somewhere, just not into workers' pockets.

What's the matter with a society that values welders and philosophers, highway workers and stay-at-home parents? Does everyone have to work eight hours a day, 40 hours a week, for the country to keep going? Can't the wealthiest nation in the world take care of its own citizens? Why are we so preoccupied that somebody with nothing might be "scamming" the system for a couple of hundred dollars a month, but we don't bat an eye when the crooks who came within an ace of melting down the financial world pay themselves mammoth bonuses after getting bailed out by the taxpayers?

I'm glad some of my tax money goes to feeding and housing my fellow citizens. I'm also glad that I am able to do that for myself. I'd much rather more of my tax money go to supporting my fellow citizens and less of it goes to paying for military weapons projects that don't work and that we don't need.

[Agnosticsherbet]

6. Rubio tirade against philosophers as anti intellectual, anti teacher,

Anti education.

[Xipe Totec]

8. And anti-self, since he's one of the so-called philosophers.

[geek tragedy]

10. it's an unprincipled but effective argument.

it's classic Nixonian, rightwing populist resentment politics.

[denverbill]

11. This make sense. What use does a conservative have for logic and reason?

Logic and reasoning only cause people to question society and seek answers, and come to reasoned conclusions about solutions to problems. That is most definitely not the conservative way.

[lumberjack_jeff]

14. A welder may not know the difference between deductive and inductive reasoning...

... but to be any good he must liberally apply both.

Navel-gazing is what we're doing now, the although some of us may be being paid for it, it is probably not a feature of our job descriptions.

A big flaw in our own collective logic is that we should be paid the same to do what we want to do as that which the world needs.

[C_U_L8R]

12. How about scientists?

It seems republicans would rather not have too many thinkers around.
How about Doctors? Teachers? Programmers? Entrepreneurs? Inventors? Artists?
And yes Welders and Builders and Architects and Artisans.
Republican world is so blinded by a black and white world view.
Thank goodness there's so much more to life without them.