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closeupready

(29,503 posts)
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:26 AM Nov 2015

NY Times opinion: A Seismic Shift in How People Eat

As a general rule, if I can't pronounce something in the ingredients, or if it's an ingredient referred to as an acronym, it goes right back on the shelf. So yeah, I don't consume much processed food.

IT’S easy to make fun of people in big cities for their obsession with gluten, or chia seeds, or cleanses.

But urbanites are not the only ones turning away from the products created by big food companies. Eating habits are changing across the country and food companies are struggling to keep up.

General Mills will drop all artificial colors and flavors from its cereals. Perdue, Tyson and Foster Farm have begun to limit the use of antibiotics in their chicken. Kraft declared it was dropping artificial dyes from its macaroni and cheese. Hershey’s will begin to move away from ingredients such as the emulsifier polyglycerol polyricinoleate to “simple and easy-to-understand ingredients” like “fresh milk from local farms, roasted California almonds, cocoa beans and sugar.”

Those announcements reflect a new reality: Consumers are walking away from America’s most iconic food brands. Big food manufacturers are reacting by cleaning up their ingredient labels, acquiring healthier brands and coming out with a prodigious array of new products. Last year, General Mills purchased the organic pasta maker Annie’s Homegrown for $820 million — a price that was over four times the company’s revenues, likening it to valuations more often seen in Silicon Valley. The company also introduced more than 200 new products, ranging from Cheerios Protein to Betty Crocker gluten-free cookie mix, to capitalize on the latest consumer fads.


http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/08/opinion/a-seismic-shift-in-how-people-eat.html
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NY Times opinion: A Seismic Shift in How People Eat (Original Post) closeupready Nov 2015 OP
"Cheerios Protein" is a scam. Archae Nov 2015 #1
We still have to watch them MuseRider Nov 2015 #2
We can no longer trust them. If anyone has the chance to jwirr Nov 2015 #9
Can you school me on where the protein fad came from? Hissyspit Nov 2015 #7
It's an offshoot from low-carb diets. jeff47 Nov 2015 #11
Non-allergic gluten-sensitivity has been debunked. DetlefK Nov 2015 #3
Many people who go gluten free reduce their Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #4
I do not care about gluten, but I am a vegan. JRLeft Nov 2015 #5
me too, and i have noticed restorefreedom Nov 2015 #49
I've noticed too, the mock meats tend to be very high in protein. JRLeft Nov 2015 #51
yup. the hot dogs are great restorefreedom Nov 2015 #52
I workout, so I consume mock meats, beans, nuts, kale, and protein powder. JRLeft Nov 2015 #53
me too..i do weight work restorefreedom Nov 2015 #70
What's your recipe? Sauté them all together? Nt JudyM Nov 2015 #73
as rachel ray would say, restorefreedom Nov 2015 #80
Alas, quinoa has beome a victim of its own success KamaAina Nov 2015 #87
I love kale in smoothies. JRLeft Nov 2015 #74
you know i have never tried that.. restorefreedom Nov 2015 #79
Yeah, I do. JRLeft Nov 2015 #81
thanks! nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #82
No problem JRLeft Nov 2015 #83
By the way, you should consume more pumpkin seeds they are high in JRLeft Nov 2015 #84
excellent. roasted pumpkins seeds are great! nt restorefreedom Nov 2015 #85
Yes they are. JRLeft Nov 2015 #86
That is one different-sounding smoothie. Love limeade, so that's a start ;). Nt JudyM Nov 2015 #88
That smoothie has about 35 g of protein. JRLeft Nov 2015 #98
I'm vegan too. The dairy industry is in freak out mode because mucifer Nov 2015 #56
yes every alternative purchase is a victory restorefreedom Nov 2015 #71
Gluten is a protein. So going gluten free to reduce carb intake isn't particularly sensible. jeff47 Nov 2015 #10
Sure, and as many advocates of gfd note, you Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #40
About the only allergy I've ever noticed is chocolate, closeupready Nov 2015 #6
Poor baby! But truffles, really? erronis Nov 2015 #24
The darker the chocolate, the more distress! closeupready Nov 2015 #31
I shouldn't talk about that which I know little. Aren't truffles loaded with other ingredients? erronis Nov 2015 #33
Chocolate allergies are generally caused by the proteins in cocoa. jeff47 Nov 2015 #32
Indeed bbrady42 Nov 2015 #39
for what it is worth haydukelives Nov 2015 #34
Oh yes it is. closeupready Nov 2015 #35
um, no its not haydukelives Nov 2015 #44
Wow. You really need to be right, don't you? closeupready Nov 2015 #45
no, just trying to educate haydukelives Nov 2015 #46
Ok. I apologize. I misunderstood. And thanks for the closeupready Nov 2015 #47
GI symptoms are definitely part of an anaphylactic reaction laundry_queen Nov 2015 #75
A food intolerance can make you feel bad Sanity Claws Dec 2015 #104
Exactly, but I'm deeply grateful to the faddists Warpy Nov 2015 #41
it was a small study paid for by a large baking company restorefreedom Nov 2015 #48
You have that entirely backwards. The 2nd "study" was small and done after scientists KittyWampus Nov 2015 #62
Maybe we should compare studies. Here are mine: DetlefK Nov 2015 #78
Is it just me or do the cured and red meats bins at the supermarkets seem really full lately? Fred Sanders Nov 2015 #8
I wonder if they (food companies) are doing this as a preemptive strike? dorkzilla Nov 2015 #12
No, they're just well aware of just how little most people know about biology. jeff47 Nov 2015 #15
It's so absurd. Marr Nov 2015 #36
nah, they just are targeting other countries now, according to "globesity-fat's new frontier" niyad Nov 2015 #16
Hmm, that's an interesting theory. Would not be surprised if some closeupready Nov 2015 #19
Agreed but I’m suggesting something more sinister... dorkzilla Nov 2015 #27
Mickey D's has never been "good" much less good for you hifiguy Nov 2015 #94
This message was self-deleted by its author tobefree Nov 2015 #20
Here's a good read. tobefree Nov 2015 #21
and a couple of links along that same line. jtuck004 Nov 2015 #22
it's all about the $$$ the companies are losing--people are starting to "get it"---case in point: wordpix Nov 2015 #58
If she is in an area that has a Trader Joe’s its a good place... dorkzilla Nov 2015 #60
So where am I gonna get my polyglycerol polyricinoleate emulsifier fix now? Bucky Nov 2015 #13
It's a demonstration at just how bad our science education is. jeff47 Nov 2015 #14
+1. Pronounceability is a stupid determinant. Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #25
Adenosine triphosphate must be absolutely horrible!! jeff47 Nov 2015 #26
+1 :p Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #30
I never eat deoxyribonucleic acid because my health coach told me I am too acidic, or was it eat uppityperson Nov 2015 #76
My favorite is dihydrogen monoxide yellowcanine Dec 2015 #102
+1,000,000 ... 000 HuckleB Nov 2015 #90
It's too confusing. Obviously we need a platoon of celebrities to tell us how to be healthy. randome Nov 2015 #17
WWGPE? Arugula Latte Nov 2015 #38
I don't believe the one zentrum Nov 2015 #18
Yes, there is Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2015 #28
Of course, there are ways zentrum Nov 2015 #42
Yes, you can charge a higher price for premium products skepticscott Nov 2015 #93
Wasn't Kraft Foods bought by a big tobacco company years ago? (RJR?) jalan48 Nov 2015 #23
I take it the tobacco flavored cheese curls were not a big hit with you? yellowcanine Dec 2015 #103
Being vegan insulates me from this thing entirely. byronius Nov 2015 #29
and the kicker is restorefreedom Nov 2015 #50
vegan and organic, yes, but vegan non-organic, you're ingesting chemicals wordpix Nov 2015 #55
I don't care so much about my health I'm a vegan for the animals. Lots of us are. mucifer Nov 2015 #57
Sure, because no chemicals are used in "organic" Major Nikon Nov 2015 #72
I am assuming you are being sarcastic. yellowcanine Dec 2015 #101
You assume incorrectly Major Nikon Dec 2015 #105
There is a shift away from big brands. Transparency is replacing trust. GreatGazoo Nov 2015 #37
I just noticed that Kelloggs stopped using high fructose corn syrup in their Nutri-Grain bars. cui bono Nov 2015 #43
it's so easy to make your own granola/granola bars and they're far better wordpix Nov 2015 #59
Have you got a good recipe? cui bono Nov 2015 #64
More like the ad campaign claiming sweeteners were different failed Major Nikon Nov 2015 #66
as long as crops are GE and grown with toxic chemicals, it's still crap food wordpix Nov 2015 #54
Thanks for posting Omaha Steve Nov 2015 #61
You are very welcome, my friend. closeupready Nov 2015 #67
A huge bonus Aerows Nov 2015 #63
This x 1000. There are times when I feel lazy, and closeupready Nov 2015 #68
It truly doesn't Aerows Nov 2015 #69
My stepdaughter requested a pressure canner for Christmas. Mariana Nov 2015 #77
Great! Retrograde Nov 2015 #89
I've hulled more peas than anyone ever should, along with my cousins, Aerows Nov 2015 #97
It's a fantastic skill set to pass on to Aerows Nov 2015 #96
Hope so, because the obesity rate keeps rising. Eleanors38 Nov 2015 #65
5 Foods You Can't Eat Because A Third Grader Can't Pronounce Them HuckleB Nov 2015 #91
Cherimoya seeds are highly toxic. So that's another reason. closeupready Nov 2015 #92
No one said anything about eating the seeds. HuckleB Nov 2015 #95
"Consumers are walking away from America’s most iconic food brands." yellowcanine Dec 2015 #99
While likely true for most consumers, I do happen to notice these buyouts. closeupready Dec 2015 #100

Archae

(46,340 posts)
1. "Cheerios Protein" is a scam.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:28 AM
Nov 2015

It has a marginal addition of protein, and several times more sugar than "regular" Cheerios.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
9. We can no longer trust them. If anyone has the chance to
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 12:42 PM
Nov 2015

Watch the video from Thom yesterday on the effects of the TPP on food safety. If we think we are in trouble now wait until they pass the corporate power bill. We will not know what has been imported and we will not know how it is grown.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
7. Can you school me on where the protein fad came from?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:47 AM
Nov 2015

Seriously, was there a study or something? Is it related to the Miami Beach diet or the paleo-diet or something? All of a sudden there were all these labels touting protein in products. My understanding has always been that Americans consume too much protein. I confess I must have missed something.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. Non-allergic gluten-sensitivity has been debunked.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:33 AM
Nov 2015

The researchers who originally found it did a second, more rigorous study. They found that the digestive-problems don't stem from gluten but are a Nocebo-effect.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
4. Many people who go gluten free reduce their
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:36 AM
Nov 2015

total carb intake, which by itself may be a general health benefit.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
49. me too, and i have noticed
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:13 AM
Nov 2015

that the soy/almond drinks and yogurts as well as the mock meats are flying off the shelves.


restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
70. me too..i do weight work
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 08:14 PM
Nov 2015

so i am always craving protein. kale and tofu with cashews in olive oil and garlic....yum

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
80. as rachel ray would say,
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:08 AM
Nov 2015

i start with some good evoo....then i toss in the sliced or chopped garlic. then the tofu chunks (extra firm), the kale can go in if you like it softer, toward the end if you like it more al dente with a bit of stiffness left. cashews can go in toward the end (unsalted cashews are better since the salted ones have a ton of salt and thats all you will taste), sprinkle over some black pepper, paprika if you like paprika (just a pinch) and i have it with a grain like rice or quinoa.

yummers!

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
87. Alas, quinoa has beome a victim of its own success
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 05:11 PM
Nov 2015

We're eating so much of it that it's become unaffordable for the Andean people for whom it is a staple.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11311661

Perhaps farmers in other high-altitude places like Nepal could grow it. Some people in Colorado are trying, but that's not nearly enough.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
79. you know i have never tried that..
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:03 AM
Nov 2015

i tend to go for spinach but you have given me an idea...do you have a good kale smoothie recipe?

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
81. Yeah, I do.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 09:51 AM
Nov 2015

Kale, banana, peaches, limeade, pumpkin seeds, apples, and almond milk. I like to add a scoop of Vega Sport protein powder too.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
84. By the way, you should consume more pumpkin seeds they are high in
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 12:09 PM
Nov 2015

good saturated fats, and protein.

mucifer

(23,558 posts)
56. I'm vegan too. The dairy industry is in freak out mode because
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:27 PM
Nov 2015

more people are cutting down on milk and fake meat products are everywhere. It's awesome for us and although not many people are vegan lots of people are cutting down on the cruelty animal products. It also makes it easier for vegetarians who do as much as they feel they can. I'm in the every little bit helps mindset.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
71. yes every alternative purchase is a victory
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 08:18 PM
Nov 2015

esp since most people will stay somewhere along the veg spectrum. but the soy and almond milks are very popular and now there is coconut and cashew..and since WHO came out and said that processed meat is a class 1 carcinogen and regular meat is class 2 they are having a shit fit. after that study came out there was a woman from the beef industry who said "there is no evidence of this"

nope, just the 800 studies that were anaylzed

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
10. Gluten is a protein. So going gluten free to reduce carb intake isn't particularly sensible.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 12:45 PM
Nov 2015

(Technically gluten is a protein complex, but close'nuf for DU)

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
40. Sure, and as many advocates of gfd note, you
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:07 PM
Nov 2015

can continue to carb up on the plethora of processed gluten free crap sold in stores, but if you do as they actually suggest and don't just substitute wheat based carbs with corn etc. you will be on a lower carb diet that happens to be gluten free.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
6. About the only allergy I've ever noticed is chocolate,
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 11:42 AM
Nov 2015

which doesn't keep me from having once in a while, lol, but with - for example - truffles, I can't eat more than about two at a time, and even then, I'll have such time-warping GI distress, it puts me off further consumption for a time.

White chocolate, no such problem, though. Happily.

erronis

(15,324 posts)
24. Poor baby! But truffles, really?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:46 PM
Nov 2015

I think really dark chocolate should do the trick for you. I heartily recommend Trader Joe's 72% is the best - not very sweet but not bitter.

Life is way too short to give up on the good stuff.

erronis

(15,324 posts)
33. I shouldn't talk about that which I know little. Aren't truffles loaded with other ingredients?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:05 PM
Nov 2015

Don't really need to dialog - just wanted to commiserate on your problem reaching nirvana.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
32. Chocolate allergies are generally caused by the proteins in cocoa.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:01 PM
Nov 2015

Suggesting a chocolate that has even more cocoa is not a good idea.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
35. Oh yes it is.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:14 PM
Nov 2015
One common chocolate allergy symptom is headache or migraine. Other possible symptoms include itching or swelling of the mouth, tongue or lips; skin reactions, such as eczema, hives, swelling and redness of the extremities or face; gastrointestinal symptoms, such as abdominal pain, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea; respiratory symptoms, such as runny or stuffy nose, coughing, sneezing, wheezing and difficulty breathing; and cardiovascular symptoms, such as drop in blood pressure, lightheadedness and fainting.


http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/allergies/food-allergy/other/chocolate-allergy-symptoms.htm

haydukelives

(1,229 posts)
44. um, no its not
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:25 AM
Nov 2015

From WedMD
"Many people think they have a food allergy, but in fact they have a food intolerance. Food intolerance is much more common. It can cause some of the same symptoms as a mild food allergy, like an upset stomach. But a food intolerance does not cause an allergic reaction. A food intolerance can make you feel bad, but it is not dangerous. A serious food allergy can be dangerous."
I deal with this all the time, (I'm a nurse), an adverse reaction is not an allergic reaction.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
45. Wow. You really need to be right, don't you?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:39 AM
Nov 2015

I mean, it's like you're going remember this 50 bazillion years from now, an exchange in a DU thread.

Whatever, I'm done here. Have fun.

haydukelives

(1,229 posts)
46. no, just trying to educate
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 01:54 AM
Nov 2015

Part of my job as a nurse. Wasn't trying to elicit a nasty responce.

Go Bernie!

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
75. GI symptoms are definitely part of an anaphylactic reaction
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 01:39 AM
Nov 2015

I've watched my brother have near-death reactions now to his one severe food allergy - fish - when he was a child. First, he would clear his throat, then complain his mouth is itchy, then the tummy ache and vomiting would start, then the hives, the facial swelling, the gasping for breath comes soon after.

If he didn't actually consume fish but it was being cooked in the room, he would get a stomach ache and severe nausea.

GI symptoms can definitely be a reaction to an allergy. It can also be an only reaction to a severe allergy. My co-worker's children have severe allergies and they found out her youngest was allergic to bananas when she would vomit after eating them every time. The doctor, like you, thinking it may be an intolerance not an allergy because there were no other symptoms, added it to her allergy tests. Her tests came back with 'severe' anaphylaxis to bananas. So it happens.

Sanity Claws

(21,851 posts)
104. A food intolerance can make you feel bad
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:16 PM
Dec 2015

Isn't that enough reason to want to avoid the food?

I have intolerances for certain foods; they tend to cause me migraines. I get over the migraines, do not take meds for it other than pain relievers, and become fully functional again in a couple of days. I know I want to avoid these foods regardless of whether you call it an intolerance, an allergy, or a sensitivity.

Warpy

(111,317 posts)
41. Exactly, but I'm deeply grateful to the faddists
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 04:34 PM
Nov 2015

because their increased demand has brought out a bunch of very good no wheat products.

Yeah, I developed an allergy to wheat, the wheezing and rash are just bad enough that I want to avoid it. Wheat allergy is extremely rare in adults, so imagine my disgust.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
48. it was a small study paid for by a large baking company
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:11 AM
Nov 2015

and many people have non celiac gs....maybe those 37 in the study didn't

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
62. You have that entirely backwards. The 2nd "study" was small and done after scientists
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:48 PM
Nov 2015

went to work for a company that sells bread.

Some people absolutely ARE sensitive to gluten but not suffering from celiac disease.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
78. Maybe we should compare studies. Here are mine:
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 08:24 AM
Nov 2015
http://www.gastrojournal.org/article/S0016-5085%2813%2900702-6/pdf

A double-blind study from 2013 with 37 test-subjects with self-diagnosed (as there is no medical way yet to diagnose it) "non-celiac gluten-sensitivity".

Conclusion: It's definitely not the gluten, it's most likely the fermentable short-chain carbohydrates in wheat.

--------------------------------------

omniascience.com/monographs/index.php/monograficos/article/download/261/164
Non-Celiac Gluten Sensitivity
Javier Molina-Infante, Santos Santolaria Piedrafita, Fernando Fernández Bañares

A topical review on "non-celiac gluten-sensitivity" from 2015. It mentions a double-blind placebo-study where 70 people were identified as having NCGS via a wheat-study. And out of those only 30% turned out to have celiac-disease. (page 449)

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
8. Is it just me or do the cured and red meats bins at the supermarkets seem really full lately?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 12:00 PM
Nov 2015

Have folks already and suddenly changed meat eating habits because of the widely publicized WHO research report?

Because this folks has!

WHO doesn't lie.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
12. I wonder if they (food companies) are doing this as a preemptive strike?
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 12:52 PM
Nov 2015

I’m wondering if they’re trying to change things before people get wind (officially) of how bad these ingredients are? Meaning, is there some sort of bad press coming down the pike they’re trying to get ahead of?

I don’t mean to sound like a CT devotee but these companies are not exactly altruistic...I don’t think they’ve all just had an epiphany.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. No, they're just well aware of just how little most people know about biology.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 12:55 PM
Nov 2015

Low-fat diets became the rage. So we got low-fat Pop Tarts.
Now, low-carb diets are the rage. So we now have low-carb Pop Tarts.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
36. It's so absurd.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:22 PM
Nov 2015

How about just eat real food, and don't count on Pop Tarts to help meet your nutritional goals? lol.

I mean, I'll happily eat high sugar/fat cookies, candy, whatever-- but the bulk of my diet is lean meats, vegetables, fruits, nuts, etc. Food companies are always putting these fad-of-the-moment labels on their products, but when you actually look at the nutritional changes, it's a gram here or there. It's nothing.

niyad

(113,505 posts)
16. nah, they just are targeting other countries now, according to "globesity-fat's new frontier"
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 12:59 PM
Nov 2015

watched it on linktv while visiting a friend the other day. it is available on youtube:

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
19. Hmm, that's an interesting theory. Would not be surprised if some
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:22 PM
Nov 2015

of them are trying to get ahead of the curve.

Look at McDonald's. It did so well for so many years ... and now they are losing market share, profits tumbling, stores closing, etc. The numbers got so alarming that last year they announced an end to publication of their internal numbers, which they had voluntarily published to date.

Part of their decline (and others like them) lies in the fact that consumers have drifted towards food producers who cast appeals to those who want to eat more naturally produced burgers and fries and even hot dogs (non-GMO, no antibiotics, free-range chicken, etc.). For example, Five Guys - they have a placard next to the cashier in their restaurants indicating the geographic area where their potatoes (for fries) have come from (i.e., "Ketchum, Idaho&quot . While in isolation that doesn't tell you much, the theme here is to address questions, 'what is this? what are its ingredients? does it have preservatives? is it pink slime or grade A?'

So I do think that the emerging consumer alarm over potentially harmful food additives is driving some (or most) of these changes.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
27. Agreed but I’m suggesting something more sinister...
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:58 PM
Nov 2015

What if someone like the WHO is about to come out with a list of carcinogens which absolutely cause cancer (not as tentatively as they suggested with beef - - something more hardcore) and are regular additives in food AND that these big food processors knew about for years? Think tobacco, that sort of thing. Or that they’ve actually traced the uptick in autism and its not vaccines but some kind of hormone they use in pig farming or cows or something.

Forgive me if I’m starting to sound like I listen to Alex Jones but I don’t trust these big corporations as far as I can throw them. I just cannot believe this is some sort of “we heard you consumers”...you may be right, it may be because they’ve lost market share and are re-thinking their business model but I just think these corporations wouldn’t suddenly be listening to people’s concerns about food if it contradicted their bottom line. Oh sure, maybe they’d offer “gluten free” options and the like but I don’t think they’d change their “tried and true” formulas just to appease some latte-sipping Volvo drivers who shop in the healthfood store. And like Jeff47 suggested above, people really don’t know all that much about biology...i don’t think it would occur to *most* people to question what is in their food to begin with.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
94. Mickey D's has never been "good" much less good for you
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:44 PM
Nov 2015

but the quality of their burgers has dramatically plummeted in the last 5-10 years. There is literally no flavor to them at all. Not good, not bad, just nothing at all any more; they used to taste at least vaguely beef-like. Even the fries aren't what they used to be. Which is an excellent reason to avoid it altogether even though I was at most a very occasional patron.

Response to dorkzilla (Reply #12)

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
58. it's all about the $$$ the companies are losing--people are starting to "get it"---case in point:
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:33 PM
Nov 2015

I am a cancer patient and have gone completely organic for 2 years and have no recurrence of my St. 4 cancer (yet). One of my former students in her 20's called me recently b/c her 24 y.o. sister has been diagnosed w/cancer and my student wanted some cancer advice. She is low-income, poorly educated (did not take education seriously until senior year so is behind in many skills), and had a baby as a teenager. She is African American living in a low-income, crime ridden district of a large city. You look at all this and you might think that such a young woman wouldn't care about healthy food, but she called me because she is concerned. We talked for an hour about recipes, community gardening and cleaning up her diet and her sister's. She said she's going to check out the health food store in her neighborhood and get started on the new diet and speak with her sister about changing hers.

Point is, word is getting around and people are getting educated about food. The biggest problem for my student and her sister is the affordability of organic food. My girl is probably on SNAP but that doesn't go far when you're buying organic.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
60. If she is in an area that has a Trader Joe’s its a good place...
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:41 PM
Nov 2015

to get healthier food a lot less expensively than, say, WholeFoods.

I’m glad your in remission. My mom also was diagnosed with Stage 4 (non-Hodkins Lymphoma) and she’s been cancer free for 6 years. Tough going when she was being treated but she’s back to being her ornery old self again. I was recently diagnosed with MS and have been reading a lot about diet and how small changes can make a difference in the severity of the symptoms.

I’ve always been a label reader and my hippy father insisted on getting our groceries at the local health food co-op, so I am perplexed at how long its taken people to “get it”.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
14. It's a demonstration at just how bad our science education is.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 12:54 PM
Nov 2015

You have people avoiding gluten (a protein) in order to cut down on carbs.

You have people saying "I can't pronounce this!!!" when the ingredient is actually natural.

You have people turning away from those horrible artificial dyes so that they can eat a dye from crushed beetles, extracted by rather unhealthy solvents.

You have people claiming they only eat "natural" food, when absolutely no food is natural. Every single food crop has been massively modified by humans. Including "heirloom" plants.

But fear sells books. And secrets that big ____ doesn't want you to know helps big _____ sell you "natural" replacements.

It's a bit like "I only drink craft beer!!" when their favorite beer is made by the people who make bud light. It just has a craft beer label.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,027 posts)
25. +1. Pronounceability is a stupid determinant.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:53 PM
Nov 2015

We can do both:

We can learn how to pronounce chemical names. It's not hard, but it does require an education.

We can avoid overly processed food and overly artificial ingredients. I do not buy sucralose foods (ex. Splenda) and I buy brown sugar instead of white sugar. Yes, I can pronounce "sucralose".

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
26. Adenosine triphosphate must be absolutely horrible!!
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:57 PM
Nov 2015

Oh wait...it's the chemical that powers everything in your body. All carbs, fats and proteins used for energy are converted into ATP in order to provide energy to your body.

But that's nowhere near as evil as deoxyribonucleic acid!!!

uppityperson

(115,678 posts)
76. I never eat deoxyribonucleic acid because my health coach told me I am too acidic, or was it eat
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 02:26 AM
Nov 2015

more basically??

Oh well, whatev's!!!



Joke

HuckleB

(35,773 posts)
90. +1,000,000 ... 000
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:30 PM
Nov 2015

And then there are opinion pieces written by individuals who own organic companies. Oh, goodness.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
17. It's too confusing. Obviously we need a platoon of celebrities to tell us how to be healthy.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 12:59 PM
Nov 2015

[hr][font color="blue"][center]“If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.”
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)
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zentrum

(9,865 posts)
18. I don't believe the one
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:18 PM
Nov 2015

…..about removal of antibiotics from Big Chicken, for one minute.

Their whole profit model is based on it. There's no way to force-raise the huge numbers of chickens they do and keep them from all getting sick if they didn't pump them full of anti-biotics.

The biggest, newest thing may be the big new PR campaign they feel compelled to put forward. And if a Republican gets the WH and keeps the House of Representatives—rules for the FDA can be weakened and Corporate Food will again have its way.

These mega-guys will not give up without a huge underhanded fight. They're all like big Tobacco. Willing to pump us full of poison for decades and to lie and lie and lie about it. "The science is unclear" is all they have to say.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,027 posts)
28. Yes, there is
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015
I don't believe the one about removal of antibiotics from Big Chicken, for one minute. Their whole profit model is based on it. There's no way to force-raise the huge numbers of chickens they do and keep them from all getting sick if they didn't pump them full of anti-biotics.


There are ways. First, there are natural antibiotics. Then you can keep their living conditions cleaner and a little less crowded. You can do other things too.

The yields go down (a little smaller chicken or a little longer to reach a certain weight) but the companies can charge a higher price for premium products. This has been proven by the success of organic foods.

They don't have to, and won't, stop antibiotics on all their chicken operations. Just enough to satisfy the market for a better quality chicken.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
42. Of course, there are ways
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 12:13 AM
Nov 2015

…to raise chickens without antibiotics, but the more humane and safer and heather ways all are more expensive. My point was that to raise a chicken more ethically, they'd have to cut into their own profits and I simply can't believe they'd ever do that.

They'll just ship the anti-biotic chicken to China or bury it under some loophole that allows fast food outlets to use it.

I have nothing but cynicism towards them. Not to mention how they contaminate rivers. Profit trumps everything for them.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
93. Yes, you can charge a higher price for premium products
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:43 PM
Nov 2015

to the Volvo drivers who frequent Whole Foods and will pay far more than what most people can afford to indulge their white, suburban, upper-middle class, organic, non-GMO, gluten-free, additive-free lifestyle. But most of the people that Big Chicken currently sells to can't afford that.

jalan48

(13,878 posts)
23. Wasn't Kraft Foods bought by a big tobacco company years ago? (RJR?)
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:40 PM
Nov 2015

And we are supposed to believe they have the best interests of the consumer at heart?

byronius

(7,398 posts)
29. Being vegan insulates me from this thing entirely.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 01:59 PM
Nov 2015

Most vegan-friendly food companies are scrupulous; the ones that aren't are ruthlessly outed by more-scrupulous vegans, and in general I'm forced by my own choice into much more fresh-vegetable cooking than I ever did before. I try to stick to local organic produce, and avoid any company I've heard the slightest crap about. Eden Foods, for instance. I will never trust any company with a right-wing religious bent, not, ever, period.

Fuck do I feel healthy. Powerful. I don't get colds anymore. No skin problems like I used to have. I still weightlift, and I snap back much faster now. I'll never go back. Sautéed kale is God Food.

I'm sure twenty years from now when the number of vegans have multiplied by several orders of magnitude someone will manage to fool me once again. For now, being one of the small minority, I'm sort of safe.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
50. and the kicker is
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:17 AM
Nov 2015

you don't have to try and remember whether you just wiped the counter or if the spatula you just used on the veggie burger is teeming with salmonella from touching dead chicken. i find it very freeing, and i feel better too. eating greens or drinking a green smoothie is better than any vitamin pill

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
55. vegan and organic, yes, but vegan non-organic, you're ingesting chemicals
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:22 PM
Nov 2015

that the crops are grown with. Things like glyphosate in Roundup.

mucifer

(23,558 posts)
57. I don't care so much about my health I'm a vegan for the animals. Lots of us are.
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:32 PM
Nov 2015

So sometimes I eat very healthy and sometimes I eat crap. But, it's always vegan.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
101. I am assuming you are being sarcastic.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 12:02 PM
Dec 2015

Because of course it is just a question of what chemicals, or in some cases, whether the non-organic chemicals are acknowledged or not, when non-organic foods get exported and then get imported back as "organic."

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
105. You assume incorrectly
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 05:16 PM
Dec 2015

But you are exactly correct in that it is a question of what chemicals are used, rather than the amount which is frequently cited by obviously organic biased scare mongers. Many chemicals used by the organic industry are far more toxic AND less effective than their synthetic alternatives, which leaves the obvious appeal to nature fallacy as to why they are favored in the first place.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
37. There is a shift away from big brands. Transparency is replacing trust.
Wed Nov 11, 2015, 02:25 PM
Nov 2015

US food is $1 trillion business and they have lost their footing in this new world. For decades they need only to follow the buzz words and write them on their packaging -- low fat, low carb, low salt, etc. More recently they have renamed HFCS to avoid listing HFCS as an ingredient so they changed the packaging but not what is in it and the consumer is walking away. They write healthy sounding stuff on their package while they donate to the effort to keep GMOs unlabeled -- they are killing whatever trust is left in big brands.

Big old brands are desperate now so they buy up newer brands. Land o Lakes bought Earthbound two years ago. Consumers are shopping more on the perimeter of the supermarket and less in the middle where the high margin processed foods are so the big brands are buying smaller brands to get position on the perimeter of the stores.

Great article on the transition here:
http://fortune.com/2015/05/21/the-war-on-big-food/?src=longreads

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
43. I just noticed that Kelloggs stopped using high fructose corn syrup in their Nutri-Grain bars.
Thu Nov 12, 2015, 02:28 AM
Nov 2015

I had given them up since they had HFCS in them and there was a box of them at work so I looked at the ingredients again and no more HFCS!

I guess the ad campaigns trying to tell us all sweeteners are the same failed.

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
59. it's so easy to make your own granola/granola bars and they're far better
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:35 PM
Nov 2015

I dislike most commercial bars compared to my own. Very easy to make, it only takes minutes, really.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
64. Have you got a good recipe?
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 04:27 PM
Nov 2015

I used to make raw brownies but lately I've been eating 100% cacao together with dried blueberries to help satisfy my chocolate needs. Unfortunately, the blueberries I get at Trader Joe's do have sugar added to them, can't tell how much, I'm sure it can't be that much though.

I'm thinking of going back to raw brownies... it's just dates, almond meal/oatmeal and cacao. Really good!

Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
66. More like the ad campaign claiming sweeteners were different failed
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 07:47 PM
Nov 2015

Anyone who thinks they are more healthy for consuming sucrose in lieu of HFCS simply bought into a myth that had no basis in reality.

Our consumption of high-fructose corn syrup (HFCS) has soared since around 1980. That's because this sweet syrupy liquid is cheaper and easier for some companies to use than sugar. HFCS has been blamed by a few people for the obesity epidemic, because rates of obesity have climbed right along with HFCS consumption. But that's an urban myth. HFCS and sugar are equally harmful. We're consuming way too much of both.

http://www.cspinet.org/reports/chemcuisine.htm#hfcs

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
54. as long as crops are GE and grown with toxic chemicals, it's still crap food
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:20 PM
Nov 2015

Glyphosate in Roundup, a popular herbicide used for growing GE crops, can change cell structures when used at levels 100,000x more diluted than shelved products.

Due to the "conditional registration loophole" passed by Congress in 1978, there are 11,000 untested or undertested pesticides on the market representing 65% of all pesticides.

Buy organic or get cancer and other diseases. I'm a Stage 4 cancer survivor who always had a healthy lifestyle with top quality (but not always organic) food, exercise, a non-smoker, light wine drinker...so where did I get this cancer?

I am 100% organic now following surgery and chemo and the cancer has not recurred in two years. Get the chemicals out of your diet, don't buy processed food, eat lots of fruits and veggies and see your health improve 100%.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
63. A huge bonus
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 02:50 PM
Nov 2015

is that many young Americans are learning how to cook for themselves. If you have nieces, nephews, cousins or their friends that want to learn how to prepare real food (i.e. dry beans, rice, vegetables, fish and meat) it's a great way to spend time with them. Teaching our youth a valuable skill such as *how* to cook is as important as how to eat properly. They also get the esteem boost of knowing how to take care of themselves

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
68. This x 1000. There are times when I feel lazy, and
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 08:05 PM
Nov 2015

I don't want to cook. But then I think about how food is produced in the US, and I get off my duff and make an omelette or something, where I know - as best as possible - where all my stuff is grown, how it's grown, what additives/preservatives there are, etc.

And after some time, you get really good at cooking. Takeout pizza or Thai sounded really good this weekend, but I cooked instead, and you know what? It's relaxing, I have lunch for several days this week, and IT TASTES BETTER! Curried eggplant with rice, boiled egg, and pickled veggies. I mean, a home-cooked meal doesn't get better than that, IMO.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
69. It truly doesn't
Sun Nov 15, 2015, 08:11 PM
Nov 2015

and if you help those around you learn the skills to make their own great meals, it's a net positive all the way around .

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
77. My stepdaughter requested a pressure canner for Christmas.
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 04:26 AM
Nov 2015

She's been canning fruit and jams for awhile, but now she wants to can her own soups, stews, and veggies. She's about to have her 2nd baby and she figures she'll need some convenience foods, but she wants to make sure she knows exactly what is in them. Good for her.

Retrograde

(10,143 posts)
89. Great!
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:25 PM
Nov 2015

I don't can stews or vegetables, but I make and can chicken stock every 3 months or so: it's handy to always have a soup base at the ready. Just make sure she follows the Blue Book or similar directions to the letter when preserving meat-based and low acid items!

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
97. I've hulled more peas than anyone ever should, along with my cousins,
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:47 PM
Nov 2015

so that my aunts and my grandmother could can them.

Every time we went up there for the family reunion, my poor cousins and I were put to work shelling peas of some damn sort. I guess it kept us out of trouble.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
96. It's a fantastic skill set to pass on to
Mon Nov 16, 2015, 06:45 PM
Nov 2015

the next generation. If you know what you are cooking, you know what you are eating.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
99. "Consumers are walking away from America’s most iconic food brands."
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:43 AM
Dec 2015

Wishful thinking, NY Times. In the same paragraph they note that General Mills bought up organic pasta maker Annie's Homegrown - in other words, an iconic food brand just captured a trendy brand and few if any consumers will even notice. Same thing happens with "craft" beer, "small batch" whiskey, and "estate" wines.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
100. While likely true for most consumers, I do happen to notice these buyouts.
Tue Dec 15, 2015, 11:51 AM
Dec 2015

Part of it is because I know that after the brand is bought, they are likely to make changes, altering not just the flavor, but the nutritional profile, and also adulterate the product with sneaky Frankenfoods.

I used to be a devoted consumer of Rolling Rock, until they were bought out - I noticed a flavor change, and the thrill died.

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