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Who was more evil: Kissinger or Cheney? (Original Post) First Speaker Nov 2015 OP
yeah, Cheney is worse, and scarier SummerSnow Nov 2015 #1
Cheney is less charming, but also didn't do as much damage nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #2
I don't know.. Facilitating the official sanction of torture annabanana Nov 2015 #6
Vietnam, Chile, Indonesia, Bankladesh, East Timor, Cyprus, Cambodia, geek tragedy Nov 2015 #9
most were and continue to be criminally underreported annabanana Nov 2015 #11
Some of the stuff we have Kissinger saying, just grotesque geek tragedy Nov 2015 #13
A sane and just world would have hanged Henry Kissinger hifiguy Nov 2015 #29
Thank you for that. I had overlooked some. Gregorian Nov 2015 #22
if there's an anti-Christ, Kissinger provided him/her with a solid template nt geek tragedy Nov 2015 #23
Cheney. He did what he did solely out of cold blooded greed. Gidney N Cloyd Nov 2015 #3
Cheney, hands down. darkangel218 Nov 2015 #4
Cheney MiniMe Nov 2015 #5
Cheney. Manipulative, Misleading, Outright liar during the lead up to Iraq throughout 2002-03. Jon Luc Picard Nov 2015 #7
Who is more evil, Satan or the Devel? nt Quackers Nov 2015 #8
Cthulhu or Yog-Sothoth? The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2015 #10
Cheney Hepburn Nov 2015 #12
Kissinger was misguided; Cheney was evil nt FLPanhandle Nov 2015 #14
see post #13 above. . . n/t annabanana Nov 2015 #16
Kissinger quote: geek tragedy Nov 2015 #21
I'd say they're evil twins, both cut from the same mold. nt valerief Nov 2015 #15
yep. nt G_j Nov 2015 #18
cheney is just so evil!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! tartan2 Nov 2015 #17
Hard to say... Wounded Bear Nov 2015 #19
So that answers that. Gregorian Nov 2015 #20
E roscoeroscoe Nov 2015 #24
Boy, they are both evil. It's hard to pick one mvd Nov 2015 #25
WAS??? elleng Nov 2015 #26
It's not either or. They are both lower than whale poo. merrily Nov 2015 #27
Kissinger, ultimately, and fairly decisively hifiguy Nov 2015 #28
Absolutely right randr Nov 2015 #30
Cheney. He has no redeeming features. Hekate Nov 2015 #31
Well, Hitler actually, but I'd have to go with Kissinger tularetom Nov 2015 #32
This is one of my favorite topics XemaSab Nov 2015 #33
It's a tie malaise Nov 2015 #34
Tough one, Blue_In_AK Nov 2015 #35
Cheney. nt Herman4747 Nov 2015 #36
they are both evil fucks Kali Nov 2015 #37
like picking the worst Menendez brother Skittles Nov 2015 #38
Each achieved infamy in their own despicably unique way Little_Wing Nov 2015 #39
Kissinger smarter, Cheney meaner Generic Other Nov 2015 #40
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
9. Vietnam, Chile, Indonesia, Bankladesh, East Timor, Cyprus, Cambodia,
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:06 PM
Nov 2015

Iraq . . .

A one-man wave of war crimes rolling across the entire planet.



 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
13. Some of the stuff we have Kissinger saying, just grotesque
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:15 PM
Nov 2015
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/30/opinion/nixon-and-kissingers-forgotten-shame.html?_r=0

From the partition of the Indian subcontinent in 1947, Pakistan was created as a unified Muslim nation with a bizarrely divided geography: dominant West Pakistan (now simply Pakistan) was separated from downtrodden East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) by a thousand miles of hostile India. Pakistanis joked that their bifurcated country was united by Islam and Pakistan International Airlines. This strange arrangement held until 1970, when Bengali nationalists in East Pakistan triumphed in nationwide elections. The ruling military government, based in West Pakistan, feared losing its grip.

So on March 25, 1971, the Pakistani Army launched a devastating crackdown on the rebellious Bengalis in the east. Midway through the bloodshed, both the C.I.A. and the State Department conservatively estimated that about 200,000 people had died (the Bangladeshi government figure is much higher, at three million). As many as 10 million Bengali refugees fled across the border into India, where they died in droves in wretched refugee camps.

...

Nixon and Kissinger barely tried to exert leverage over Pakistan’s military government. In the pivotal days before the crackdown began on March 25, they consciously decided not to warn the Pakistani generals against opening fire on their population. They did not press for respecting the election results, nor did they prod the military to cut a power-sharing deal with the Bengali leadership. They did not offer warnings or impose conditions that might have dissuaded the Pakistani junta from atrocities. Nor did they threaten the loss of American military or economic support after the slaughter began.



Nixon and Kissinger were not just motivated by dispassionate realpolitik, weighing Pakistan’s help with the secret opening to China or India’s pro-Soviet leanings. The White House tapes capture their emotional rage, going far beyond Nixon’s habitual vulgarity. In the Oval Office, Nixon told Kissinger that the Indians needed “a mass famine.” Kissinger sneered at people who “bleed” for “the dying Bengalis.”

They were unmoved by the suffering of Bengalis, despite detailed reporting about the killing from Archer K. Blood, the brave United States consul general in East Pakistan. Nor did Nixon and Kissinger waver when Kenneth B. Keating, a former Republican senator from New York then serving as the American ambassador to India, personally confronted them in the Oval Office about “a matter of genocide” that targeted the Hindu minority among the Bengalis.

After Mr. Blood’s consulate sent an extraordinary cable formally dissenting from American policy, decrying what it called genocide, Nixon and Kissinger ousted Mr. Blood from his post in East Pakistan. Kissinger privately scorned Mr. Blood as “this maniac”; Nixon called Mr. Keating “a traitor.”


http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/fighting_words/2010/12/how_can_anyone_defend_kissinger_now.html


Kissinger quote:

The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern.



Hitchens spoke for me (re: Kissinger):

He is that rare and foul beast, a man whose record shows sympathy for communism and fascism. It comes from a natural hatred of the democratic process, which he has done so much to subvert and undermine at home and abroad, and an instinctive affection for totalitarians of all stripes. True, full membership in this bestiary probably necessitates that you say something at least vicariously approving about the Final Solution. What's striking about the Nixon tapes is that they show Kissinger managing this ugly feat without anyone even asking him. May my seasonal call be heeded: Let this character at last be treated like the reeking piece of ordure that he is.


Cheney is a royal asshole, but Kissinger is demonic.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
29. A sane and just world would have hanged Henry Kissinger
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:13 PM
Nov 2015

three decades ago for crimes against humanity. A true monster in human form, and a practitioner of pure evil on a scale only one step down from Hitler and Stalin.

That Hitch quote is bang-on the mark.

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
22. Thank you for that. I had overlooked some.
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:45 PM
Nov 2015

I fall into the category of men who were chasing after women during his tenure. My knowledge is only in retrospect. That's a scary list to present to the owner of your next lifetime. I killed a few spiders, but.

Hepburn

(21,054 posts)
12. Cheney
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:09 PM
Nov 2015

No doubt about it. He would have sold his grandchildren into sexual slavery to get the nod to go to war.

EVIL, MOTHERF*CKING EVIL...no redeeming value and no soul.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. Kissinger quote:
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:44 PM
Nov 2015
The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern.


That's profoundly evil.

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
19. Hard to say...
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:27 PM
Nov 2015

Most of Kissinger's worst crimes were un-reported. Americans were rather unconcerned about foreign affairs, and the Internet made it easier for Cheney's crimes to leak out.

So, I guess Kissinger. He was the model Cheney followed.

mvd

(65,174 posts)
25. Boy, they are both evil. It's hard to pick one
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:50 PM
Nov 2015

Both extremely arrogant, war criminals, wrecked the areas where they started wars. But Cheney started the longest war activity ever in a region, so he does have that on Kissinger.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
28. Kissinger, ultimately, and fairly decisively
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:09 PM
Nov 2015

mainly because his total body count is much higher. Approximately 2-3 million Vietnamese and Cambodians - w/o Henry the K there's no war in Cambodia and no Khmer Rouge/Pol Pot takeover, tens of thousands of Argentinians, Chileans, Bangladeshis, Timorese. Am I forgetting anyone? I have to be. Biafra, maybe?

Cheney's havoc was more geographically concentrated and in the end Kissinger (a "defender of human rights" according to HRH) stands alone.

randr

(12,412 posts)
30. Absolutely right
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:13 PM
Nov 2015

Not only all that but he paved the way for Cheney. Cheney would not had his own killing field if Kissinger had not interfered in the middle east.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
32. Well, Hitler actually, but I'd have to go with Kissinger
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:26 PM
Nov 2015

He's evil just for the sake of being evil, whereas there was a profit motive to Cheney's misdeeds.

That being said, I think there's a much better chance that Cheney, rather than Kissinger, is actually a zombie.

malaise

(269,045 posts)
34. It's a tie
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 08:53 PM
Nov 2015

Both are equally evil - both should be locked up in the Hague or a Federal prison.
I will pop champagne when they croak.

Little_Wing

(417 posts)
39. Each achieved infamy in their own despicably unique way
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 10:27 PM
Nov 2015

Having lived through both:

Kissinger betrayed this country in an unfathomably silent and fatal fashion, laying waste to Vietnamese, Cambodians, U.S. sons and daughters, plus unaccounted for citizens in other overseas locales I will probably not live to see revealed. He is evil personified. He lusted for a place in history. He's evilly iconic, somehow. Right up there with the worst.

Cheney seems more a like a B-movie thug, unable to focus on anything outside of his self-serving ego and completely unemotional. Too bad for the middle east, as it devolves into chaos. With him, it is/was strictly dollars. He sneers at our empathy for those left behind. He doesn't get our repulsion. At all. More psychopathic than evil, somehow. Plus it is satisfying to deny him the title of most annoying anything save cynicism.

Kissinger.

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