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eridani

(51,907 posts)
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 05:57 AM Nov 2015

The Harsh Reality of ‘Ban the Box’ Reform Efforts

Can't figure out whether it will do more good now or not. Gut feeling says yes, but there is no clear way forward to analyze prior experience because most of the Ban the Box initiatives are pretty recent.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/11/09/harsh-reality-ban-box-reform-efforts

To begin to address the pervasive problem, President Obama repeated his call to to ‘ban the box‘ for formerly incarcerated people This policy takes several forms, but usually eliminates the box on job applications which someone with a criminal record would otherwise need to check. Employers can still run background checks on the internet of course, and may inquire about criminal records later in the process. Over 100 cities and 19 states have some form of this policy. It may apply to local or state, private or public employers, depending on the legislation. Obama is calling for it at the federal level in some circumstances.

On the face of it, it’s a good first step. However, when you consider that it is black people who disproportionately have criminal records, and that employers will hire white people with criminal records over black applicants with no records, how far does it really go? Indeed, could it even give the formerly incarcerated white applicant an added advantage over the black applicant?

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Wouldn’t it be better not to lock up so many people in the first place? Mass incarceration and the ‘war on crime’ didn’t decrease the crime rate. Indeed violent crime rate came down aswe started reducing the prison population. Children suspended, expelled and referred to the juvenile justice system haven’t been helped. They’ve been sentenced to a stunning lack of opportunity and a drastically increased possibility of much more time behind bars as adults.

The black unemployment rate still hovers around 10%, nearly double that of whites in October 2015. The poverty rate for black Americans is nearly three times higher than that of whites. Though black children make up only 18% of the preschool population, they are about half of those suspended. We’re talking 3- and 4-year-olds. Black schoolgirls are six times more likely to be suspended than their white peers. And all black students are three times more likely to experience suspensions, expulsions and referrals to the criminal justice system than their white peers for similar offenses. Over 70% of suspensions, expulsions and referrals are of black and Latino students.

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The Harsh Reality of ‘Ban the Box’ Reform Efforts (Original Post) eridani Nov 2015 OP
Help me out here whitefordmd Nov 2015 #1
I think what they were trying to say is that white people with prison records-- eridani Nov 2015 #2
The second point, that we should stop criminalizing everything and locking up so many people Warren Stupidity Nov 2015 #3

whitefordmd

(102 posts)
1. Help me out here
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 06:24 AM
Nov 2015
However, when you consider that it is black people who disproportionately have criminal records,

True

and that employers will hire white people with criminal records over black applicants with no records, how far does it really go?

With "no box" applications that is clearly a possibility, but it could work out that AA applicants with criminal records could also get jobs over white people with no criminal record. If anything it seems a no box application process would help more AA than whites, so what problem am I missing?

eridani

(51,907 posts)
2. I think what they were trying to say is that white people with prison records--
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 06:30 AM
Nov 2015

--are already hired over black people with no records. Removing the stigma will give them that much more of a boost. Since black people with clean records are still discriminated against, just giving ex-felons the same clean record isn't going to help them in a comparative sense.

Not sure that I buy that, but the only way to find out is before and after data where the policy has been implemented. It's still pretty new.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. The second point, that we should stop criminalizing everything and locking up so many people
Tue Nov 10, 2015, 07:33 AM
Nov 2015

is a good one, the first point is idiotic.

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