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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums12 reasons it would be crazy not to vote for the Democratic Presidential nominee in Nov:
Social Security
Medicare
Medicaid
Obamacare/health care
Climate change
Black lives matter
Womens rights,
including right to control their own bodies
LGBT rights
Voting and civil rights
Prison reform
Union rights
Immigration reform
Someone has already mentioned Supreme Court nominations should be on the list. Anything else?
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,838 posts)pnwmom
(108,980 posts)world wide wally
(21,744 posts)pampango
(24,692 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Bottoms_Up
(24 posts)Lets face it... the next President will likely choose 2-3 (or more!) Justices. Short of championing a new Constitutional Amendment, one of the longest lasting impact any president can leave on the course of the country is the SC Justices they seat. Now while Hillary or Bernie (or a toaster oven, for that matter) is going to be a far safer choice than neo-crazies to lead our nation... for me, I look at it and say to myself, "Do you want Hillary or Bernie choosing the core of Government branch that allegedly protects our freedoms?"
And at the end of the day, while neither candidates' history is impeccable, Bernie's history is simply better in almost every way when it comes to fighting for personal freedoms and not rolling over for corporate interests or pandering to the 1%. He was into taking the right stance on issues before the issue was popular... before some poll said the tide was turning. THAT'S who I want seating the next generation's SC Justices.
For me, the Supreme Court nominations are singularly enough of a reason to consider no other candidate.
The fact that he might get some good shit done while in office is just icing on the cake.
Edit: This is not to say I would or wouldn't be alright with HRC getting the nomination or to speak against her in any way. We've all got to go do our duty and vote for the lesser of two evils in the national election, if need be.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)will need 60 votes in the Senate. That means any nominee will have to have some Rethug votes. Good luck on that, with a Bernie-style progressive.
Bottoms_Up
(24 posts)For whatever that's worth.
0rganism
(23,955 posts)that's some pretty scary shit right there. worse than seeing one of those gasbags win the presidency would be seeing their entire agenda get rubber-stamped by the vicious sacks of shit who run congress.
ileus
(15,396 posts)They're never going to effectively govern again.
Their ideas don't resonate and even when they do, we can shout them down into inaction. Other than the SC picks, there's not one item on that list they can do anything about....even with total control.
0rganism
(23,955 posts)some of my memories from the W era are still fairly fresh. call me bitter if you like.
i remember how W was going to lose the 2000 election to the much more qualified and coherent Al Gore.
i remember how W was going to be an ineffective placeholder after his appointment, unable to do all but the most mundane evil in his ill-gotten time as a single-term prez who skated in on a questionable SC ruling.
and then he fucked up 9/11, got us into 2 wars, took credit for any and all counterterrorism activities, convinced the electorate that their safety was entirely in his hands, and won a second term by having his surrogates shit all over the record of a certified war hero.
we underestimate these consummate ratfuckers at our own peril.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)the governorships and the statehouses.
ileus
(15,396 posts)We got the voices on the national level and can manipulate the media, and locally we can get on social media and get them fired or threaten until they withdraw any and all "ideas".
They can vote until they're blue in the face, but we will control the message.
But.....No republican will ever be president again. They don't have the votes to win on a national election anymore.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)and their abuse of voting rights.
And we do NOT control the media. That's a crazy Rethug idea.
KaryninMiami
(3,073 posts)Without a landslide turnout, as we had in both of the Obama elections, we will loose. Between rigged machines and massive disenfranchisement, they will cheat and steal their way to a win. That's why turnout, regardless of which Democratic candidate is on the ballot, is crucial!
davidn3600
(6,342 posts)The GOP has more power in the states and the Congress than they have ever had in over 65 years.
MBS
(9,688 posts)Whenever I wring my hands or hold my nose about the deficiencies of one Dem candidate or another (and each of them has weaknesses, as well as strengths), I just remind myself: SCOTUS, SCOTUS, SCOTUS.
There WILL be Supreme Court vacancies in the next 4 years, and it's absolutely essential that we have a Dem president to make those nominations. A Dem senate would also be very helpful to getting those nominations approved as well.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)But that could be a bit problematic with the story you want to tell.
Also, not blowing up large swaths of the Middle East should be on your list, but again that would be problematic.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Each of the current Repukes running.
Martin Eden
(12,870 posts)It would be true if we had a national popular vote, but instead we have the anachronistic Electoral College with most states using the "winner take all" system of allocating their electoral votes.
Unfortunately, the election will be decided in a relative handful of "swing" states where the candidates of both major parties have a chance.
I live in Illinois. If there is the remotest chance of my state swinging to the R candidate, I will definitely vote for the Democratic nominee even if it's Hillary Clinton.
Otherwise, I don't have to hold my nose.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Repeatedly offered up by Democrats as part of a grand bargain. For example, chained CPI.
Cut in our most recent "must give Republicans something" budget bill. Cutting provider payments does not help with the enormous increase in providers we need as boomers retire.
Obamacare/health care
You mean the things Democrats are hiding from in all of their campaigns? Their unwillingness to mention these programs are surely a sign they will be fought for.
Yes, opening the eastern seaboard and the arctic to drilling will be very helpful at advancing climate change. Oh! You wanted to stop climate change. My bad.
By my count, we've got 2 excessive force federal prosecutions in the last 8 years. I likely forgot some.
How about a bill that makes assault under color of law enforcement a federal crime? That way we the feds can get involved without having to show a civil rights violation. Would also be a mechanism to create the Federal standards that both O'Malley and Sanders have talked about.
including right to control their own bodies
You mean the subject we've spent the last 40 years handing over little bits and pieces to the Republicans? Moving the ban to 20 weeks is only 6 weeks, so no big deal, right?
Our politicians have primarily sat on their ass and let the courts do the work. DOMA was ended by a court ruling, and then later repealed in a showy flourish. "Gay marriage" was left up to the courts.
Most of our politicians have shown extremely little bravery on this.
Yeah, look at all those times the feds shut down voter ID laws!!
Uh...forgetting who helped put us in the place where we need prison reform?
Repeals of "right-to-work" laws: 0 or 1 (I forget if we managed to succeed once)
Who massively increased the rate of deportations to appease the Republicans in search of yet another grand bargain?
Yeah, no way Democrats would help an ultra-conservative, serial abuser of women get on the SCOTUS!! After all, you just said we were the party about women's rights!
There's a reason a lot of people are no longer buying the story from our party. Shouting it louder will not change their mind. We need better Democrats or the trend of people throwing their hands in the air and giving up will continue.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)If it were up to them we wouldn't have LGBT rights and abortions would be illegal again.
You are delusional if you think there's no difference between the parties.
But I'm a woman, so I'll keep "shouting" -- that's what we women do, according to some of you men.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)But that party has been gone for 40 years now.
Delusional is ignoring the last 40 years, instead substituting 75 years ago.
Oh, and I'll just ignore your sexist ad-hominem.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)But many Rethugs have.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If we were still FDR's party, we would be doing far better. But we stopped being FDR's party and became Reagan's party when the Republicans wandered into insanity.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)the Democrats and the Rethugs on this issue.
And the huge gulf between the Dems and Reagan on anything.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)But you aren't. And you have to begin to understand why those that don't bother are not bothering if you want to fix it.
"Not at bad" works for you. Not them. They are disgusted because there is no "good". There is only "not as bad" and "bad".
We need to start giving them "good". Instead, we're poised to give them "not as bad", yet again.
Gothmog
(145,291 posts)Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If HRC goes into the GE, we will have handed the GOP and the 1% exactly what they want.
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and worse, albeit just a wee bit more slowly.
I have had been forced to take bites out of that shit sandwich for a lifetime. No more.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)What an idiotic idea. You'd think we'd have learned that by now.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)My state is as reliably blue as the sky (gone repub once since 1956 and that was the Nixon landslide of 1972) and I intend to make damned sure I vote my conscience and not for the nominally lesser of two decided evils.
Romulox
(25,960 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I think that depends entirely on your particular state.
A person in a solidly red state like Utah, or a solidly blue one like my own (My state has gone Repub in presidential elections once, and only once, since 1956, and that was the Nixon landslide of 1972) has the wonderful, delicious luxury of voting in line with his or her conscience and NOT voting for an objectionable candidate at the top of the ticket, secure in the knowledge that they will not play any part in swinging the election while still voting for downticket non-DINO candidates who have earned that vote.
Vinca
(50,273 posts)More than a handful are batsh*t crazy.