Thom Hartmann: The Blockbuster Disaster of the TPP Now Revealed…

[marmar]

Published on Nov 6, 2015

The text of the TPP has finally been released to the public - and it's even worse than we thought it would. Here are the details - which you probably won't see on any corporate media...

[marym625]

1. worse than we thought. Seems almost impossible.

We're being sold out by our own government

[Enthusiast]

5. They see us as the enemy. Our interests are simply something to get around by hook or crook.

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[marym625]

17. so sadly true. n/t

[Stuart G]

2. k and r...nt

[smirkymonkey]

3. Nightmare! This has to get out!

Only Bernie is against this. It cannot happen.

[lindysalsagal]

4. Thank god for Thom Hartman.

I could read that thing day and night and never understand it. Going to Congress.gov right now.

[Enthusiast]

6. Kicked and recommended to the Max!

Thank you, Thom. I appreciate you for speaking out against this abomination.

[polly7]

7. K&R. nt.

[WinkyDink]

8. The real info that needs to be revealed is: Why, Obama? WHY?

[hifiguy]

10. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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You think he wants to end up like Jimmy Carter in his post-presidential years, building houses for poor people and being a humanitarian?

The payoff waiting for him if he rams this through - with primarily Republican votes one might note - will make the largesse dumped by the oligarchs on the Clintons look like a thousand-dollar shopping spree at Sam's Club.

[WinkyDink]

11. So very heart-breaking.

[Elwood P Dowd]

12. Now HiFi, your buddy Hoyt will not appreciate that.

The altruistic TPPers simply want to make the world a better place. The rising tide of fake free trade raises all yachts.

[hifiguy]

15. "All yachts."

You hit that one right on the screws.

[pampango]

13. Obama is corrupt and just in it for the money. I thought that only came from the far-right. n/t

[hifiguy]

14. The last truly honest politician elected to the presidency

was a fellow from Georgia. Name of Carter, IIRC. Every one since Jimmy Carter has been wholly owned by the tenth-percenters and has executed virtually all of their instructions to a tee in all major areas of policy foreign and domestic. The facts all point in one direction.

It could be that he actually believes that ceding powers traditionally reserved to governmental entities and agencies to anonymous, unaccountable corporations and their wholly-controlled instruments, or fusing corporate and governmental power is in fact a good thing in and of itself. Which would make him a follower of Giovanni Gentile. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giovanni_Gentile

Those are the only available explanations.

Look at who the strongest supporters of this abomination are - the biggest, most profitable corporations on earth and their Republican flunkies. Doesn't that make you wonder, even a little bit?

[pampango]

16. Like FDR he may believe that neutral arbitration panels are a useful tool in trade agreements.

Lots of progressives in the world support multilateral institutions that develop and implement policies that affect many countries rather than relying on each country to go its own way.

The 'states rights' (national sovereignty) argument has to be balanced against the gains from dealing with issues together rather than each nation/state seeking its own maximum advantage.

Look at who the strongest supporters of this abomination are - the biggest, most profitable corporations on earth and their Republican flunkies. Doesn't that make you wonder, even a little bit?

Polls show that the strongest supporters of trade, trade agreements and the TPP are liberals and Democrats. The biggest opponents are the republican base and far-right conservatives. That does make me wonder, a lot!

[marmar]

18. This deal has very little to do with trade. We already have trading relationships.....

..... with these countries.

So why are corporations, banks in particular, pushing this deal so hard? That makes me wonder......

Democrats and liberals favor fair trade, not corporate coup d'etats. The greatest opposition to the TPP comes from progressives. No "wonder" at all.

[pampango]

19. We certainly have current "trading relationships" with them - largely the WTO, NAFTA and

NAFTA-like agreements with some of them.

Democrats and liberals favor fair trade, not corporate coup d'etats. The greatest opposition to the TPP comes from progressives.

If you are talking about politicians in Washington, I agree. That is not what the polls show about people outside of the Beltway however, unless you have seen some that I have not.

[marmar]

21. Most of the citizens groups opposed to the TPP ......

.... are progressives. You keep bringing up polls about trade as a general concept. I'm talking about the TPP specifically.

[pampango]

22. I have posted polls about TPP specifically many times. Would you like me to post them again?

But you are right. Liberals tend to support trade. Conservatives (outside the Beltway) tend to oppose trade - largely still 1920's-style republicans.

[SammyWinstonJack]

20. He'll be raking in the BIG $$$$$$$$$$ after he leaves Office

with the signing of this.

Billionaire Barack

[hifiguy]

9. Feudal economics

enforced by unaccountable, secret fascist power structures that can negate the actions of government.

The world is seriously fucked.