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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDemocrats have lost 900+ state legislature seats, 12 governors, 69 House seats, 13 Senate seats.
If you haven't read the three-part thread by Admiral Loinpresser you need to do so. The future of our nation is at stake.
Here's the links ...
Part 1: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069296
Part 2: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069291
Part 3: http://www.democraticunderground.com/128069290
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)His fault for being black No. 1
Javaman
(62,534 posts)Thanks, Obama!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)No, these are losses the party has incurred during the Obama administration. There is no implication that correlation equals causation - except by you, of course.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)morningfog
(18,115 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The Democrats have taken some gnarly losses during the Obama administration. Those losses will remain after the end of the administration, for the most part.
That's the situation we're left with as the Obama administration draws to a close. And with Debbie Wasserman-Schult runnign hte operation, we're not likely to have a last-minute reversal
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)or that he's somehow responsible...
olegramps
(8,200 posts)They are very active in bringing their campaign to the extensive evangelical and fundamentalists block of voters who vote in local elections. This has been totally ignored by the Democrats who have failed to make any effort to take their message to these voters and challenge the Republican's claim that they represent Christian values. They target the entre spectrum from local school boards, city government to the state house.
What is required is someone who can convince the Democrats that the war is actually won on the local level and can energize local politicians to take the fight to community politics. I certainly can not discount the racism that is similarly not addressed and has been a major factor in recent elections. This has not been forcefully contested as being absolutely un-Christian. Democrats should loudly proclaim that it is they that actually put into practice the teachings of Jesus that obligate those with resources assist those in need.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)They've been working their 7 Mountain strategy for decades.
We need to have candidates that speak for the people rather than the status quo.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)It's really as simple as that. In areas such as Northern VA local races are fought and won by a progressive grassroots organization called The Brigades, when all the rest of the state goes Red, you can count on progressive GOTV. The local Congressmen and Delegation top to bottom know that, so they have to pay attention to the liberals. Where you don't have this sort of grassroots mobilization of progressives and labor, the GOP wins.
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)These help too.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)He did nominate Debbie Wasserman-Schultz to chair the DNC. As the person chiefly responsible for developing the party's national election strategy, I'd say she's been a pretty poor choice.
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)a submarine with screen doors. She won't even ENDORSE Democratic challengers to her Repig BFFa in the House. That is the equivalent of treason to the party whose national chair she holds. Yet she remains.
Why?
She must be doing exactly what those who could replace her want her to be doing. No other possible explanation. Her treachery keeps being rewarded.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)in accordance with DU's Terms of Service!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)the Bernista-hunters in these parts. Some animals are more equal than others, you know.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Stevepol
(4,234 posts)The programmers and riggers of the voting machines have just about lost all sense of caution. Who's going to challenge ridiculous results? If nobody challenges something like Alvin Greene's 60-40% victory in the SC Dem primary, a guy who never lifted a finger to campaign, a guy that nobody knew from Adam, then why would anybody challenge a result where the flip was only 5-10%? And in SC, it was the Democratic Party that refused to have another vote or to recount (if that was possible) or audit. It's just craven cowardice I think. Just speaking up about it after seeing the result of any election is apparently too scary for Dems. If any change comes, it will likely come from a Repub or one of the other parties, the Green Party e.g.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)to challenge the obvious fraud that happened in Texas way back when GWB became governor.
Why you say? Because they are complicit. I don't believe for one minute that it is out of fear. They are all on the same "Gravy Train". They have no intentions of stopping it.
That is why they are so desperate to stop Bernie Sanders and his called for political revolution.
Skittles
(153,199 posts)the problem is Democrats not voting, and that has nothing to do with Obama's skin color
eridani
(51,907 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)The buck never stops with the head of the Party or the country!
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I had always heard it was an appointment slot. I just googled, and it is indeed a voted in position.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)So it's de-facto appointed by Obama, despite it technically being an elected position.
ananda
(28,877 posts)We got the whole DLC machine, a lot of Bushinc operatives, and lost Howard Dean.
That IS on Obama-rhama.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)Apparently you don't know how the system works. The President makes the selection and the DNC rubber stamps it by "electing" her. The same thing happens when the President is a Republican and selects the RNC Chair. The only time there is an actual election is when the party is out of power (as it was when Dean was elected).
President Barack Obama has chosen Florida Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz as the incoming chairwoman of the Democratic National Committee, the party announced late Tuesday.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/wasserman-schultz-to-lead-dnc-052605#ixzz3qdexskUM
B Calm
(28,762 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)they lied when they said Obama appointed her. Word games.
fasttense
(17,301 posts)He never said he was a moderate RepubliCON when he was campaigning. He sure talked like a liberal and then he morphed into a smart, good looking RepliCON. But it's Not All his fault, it's Not All any one person's fault.
The capitalist system makes it easier to stomp on and crush the middle class and poor then to help them. The same people who fill the campaign coffers of RepubliCON pacs also fill the campaign coffers of Democratic pacs. But if you don't have a pac? You get what you pay for and Some very rich people paid for Obama to do what he has done.
He has managed to turn off the Democratic base. I think that was his job. Remember when his chief of staff was calling the base names? Remeber when he extended the bush tax give aways to the uber rich? All he had to do was Nothing and they could have gone away. His whole purpose was to disenhearten and turn off the liberal voter. He did his job wll. Now, when he passes the TPP he'll have put a stake through one of the core groups that support Democratic leaders - Unions.
pscot
(21,024 posts)don't play well in Peoria. Or anywhere else from Daytona to Walla Walla.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)pscot
(21,024 posts)but if we just write off half the country, we aren't going to be winning many elections. We have to find a way to talk to these people is what I'm saying. That's what Howard Dean was about. We used to win elections in many of these rural area, but not without trying. It seems like a solid majority of DUers flat out refuse to talk to anyone disagrees with them. We were supposed to be riding a demographic wave to victory, but that hasn't worked out, so far. Maybe that will change, but a lot can go wrong before it does.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)Make sure you rally the troops for Sanders because the US is eager for a hard left Democratic Socialist to lead them.
eridani
(51,907 posts)Sure, FDR didn't call himself that, but that's what the New Deal programs were.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
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valerief
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fasttense
(17,301 posts)Comments like yours are why DU invented the ignore button.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)RobinA
(9,894 posts)Anybody who was listening to him could tell he was a RepubliCON. He never sounded like anything else. It was only the media that painted him as anything close to an actual liberal. If you listened to HIM over the course of the campaign, it was clear what side of the fence he was on. He campaigned as what used to be a moderate Republican and he governed as one. Anybody disappointed in him wasn't paying attention. And I say that as someone who voted for him, but I knew exactly what I was voting for and pretty much that's what I got.
kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)that they won the election for Obama. Now we will probably get Trump for the same reason because Bernie will not be able to get voting factions needed to win in the general election.
The Karma of hate always is a bitch.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)It always strikes me that the most hateful of DUers are the first to pull out the hate card. They must sit in front of a mirror while posting here.
Thank you.
1monster
(11,012 posts)Obama was my third or fourth choice. I voted for Kucinich in the primary. My preference for Obama over Hillary was because I didn't much fancy another dynasty. Bush, Clinton, Clinton, Bush, Bush, Clinton just didn't sit well with me.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I liked what I had seen and heard from Obama as well. HRH was never an option for me. The Kennedy endorsements helped tilt me towards Obama. Well, they got chumped, just like the rest of us, but we had no way of knowing at the time he was a "moderate 1980s Republican" (his own words, BTW). We were all dumb enough to think he was an actual center-left Democrat. The joke was on us, I guess!
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)I still believe that the Clintons were behind his demise. The GOP would have saved that tidbit for the general election.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)DU: "The openness and brazenness of the LBGT agenda and the media flaunting of gay marriages all across the country cost Dems dearly and threatens to do so in the future."
Self delete does not work on the memories of others, and that thread should shame those who count you in their cohort, the Hillary camp which runs about calling the other camp bigots.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025764803#post45
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)That's going to leave a mark.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)a huge backlash against Obama and the Dems? Which led to massive control of statehouses by the GOP and redistricting that favored them. And yes, part of the blame goes to the Dems for being asleep about this and for Obama not being more aggressive in the 2010 cycle.
I agree this record is a huge problem and is astounding given how fucked up the GOP is in general and how progressive ideas are generally poplar.
But what can be done except to make sure 2020 is very different?
LonePirate
(13,431 posts)That is a very simple summary of the huge losses Dems have experienced this decade. People can blame whomever they wish; but that's what happened in a nutshell.
krawhitham
(4,647 posts)Half of DU bragged about not voting at the time, SEARCH DU. They have now backed away from that claiming it had nothing to do with poor dem turnout
frylock
(34,825 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Shockingly enough, that didn't win us many seats.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)In a perfect world perhaps.. but believe me this all about Citizens United and Fox News. The political divide in this country is so freaking deep that the Right Wing would spend billions in order to label Sanders as Neo-Commie Socialist.
Perhaps he could pull the pure Dem. electorate out to vote in better numbers than Clinton, but thats as far as it would go..This country is fucked because of Citizens United and Right Wing Controlled Media, which have millions upon millions of voters completely locked up in Right Wing lying dumb rhetoric...
By the way here you go..
http://www.examiner.com/article/50-politically-biased-sources-not-to-get-your-news-from
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)If one did a GOP hate word cloud, Clinton would take up 90% of the cloud.
A Clinton will never get a GOPers vote. Hillary has to obfuscate and triangulate to get Democrats on board.
It is sad that the Democratic Party wears blinders so as not to see the real pain and suffering experienced by a large majority in this country alone.
As long as they are aboard the "Gravy Train" they just don't care.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Actually three. First, I agree with you the Clinton's couldn't give a flying fuck about ordinary people.
Second, there will not be enough obfuscating in the world to get some Democrats on board.
Third, the amount of dark money that is going to be dropped once Clinton is the nominee will be in the immortal words of Donald Trump "HUGGGGGGGGGGE".
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)Significant blocks of democratic voters don't turnout for state and local government. Perhaps because they feel it provides little protection or value compared to programs of the federal government.
The outcome seems consistent with the efforts invested. We end up living in a nation with a two party system controlling a two tiered system of government with differing success for the parties at different levels.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)There are those that will say the Democratic Party is fine and not imploding in front of our very eyes.
if the party only puts effort during Presidential cycles we are screwed !
This what Deray an activist with BLM is saying :
deray 56m56 minutes ago
Voter turnout is low, I'd argue, b/c hopelessness is high. Folks are (rightly) tired of choosing b/t bad & worse. That isn't much choice.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)People came out and enthusiastically endorsed Hope and Change in 2008...and got instead a smart, articulate defender of the status quo. I wonder when the Democratic Party is going to realize that the status quo is not actually worth defending.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Sorry it's not about "who you want." It's about the majority rule. The Dems chose Obama twice and he won big twice. Now a lot of whiny ass dems who probably sat out the election in 2010 and 2014 want to blame Obama.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)defend Obama from those on the right who called him a "socialist" and those on the left who saw his corporate ties. All the while trying to get my OWN message out in a Republican district, beg for support statewide "Dems" in bed with the Repubs, and try to get Obama's local organization to walk with me (they never did.)
Obama could have started the Big Shift we need with some simple truth telling. Instead he played nice with the Rs and gathered crooks around him as advisers. Perhaps, as a black man, he couldn't appear to be "angry." In that case, he was exactly what our owners need.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)I said a lots of Dems stayed home and now a lot of them are blaming the president. All they had to do was vote. I never quite understand progressives saying they were deceived or lied to by the Prez. In fact he was never a progressive and like me he is a Democrat.
Ron Green
(9,823 posts)the opportunities we had in early 2009, for clearly explaining what "Hope and Change" really meant.
Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)Hope and Change was DOA. On the day of his inauguration I believe it was McConnell who came out and said his job was to make the president a one term president. Then went on to say they were not going to work with the president and when he could not get bills passed he would be blamed.
Then when it came to his signature achievement, the Affordable Care Act, he was torpedoed but Dempublicans like Ben Nelson into getting the act but far from the one he proposed.
Still he got two Supreme's appointed and if he did nothing else I would support him for that alone.
I just wish I could vote for him again.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Are you talking to someone else? Someone who cares what you think maybe?
I've never sat out an election in my too-long life, and have always been a Democrat. And fyi in 2008 I contributed to, phone-banked for, canvassed for, was a state convention delegate for, poll-watched, and voted for Obama. Voted for him in 2012 too, although it was more like voting against rMoney.
2 effing million people, of which I was one, came to Obama's first inauguration. Do you think that if they got something even remotely like what they hoped for, 2010 would have been the debacle it was? Do you think if Obama had mobilized that enthusiasm, and the grass-roots network he built instead of disregarding them (Thanks for all the hard work, guys! I'll take it from here!) that would have made a big difference? Do you think that if he had not been content with nudging the ship of state 2 degrees off its current course, when what we really needed (if even he couldn't get it done!) was a major correction; not been content with a lame-ass Democratic Party (We're not as crazy as those guys!) (Hello DWS!), had been willing to....oh fuck it. Some people aren't worth trying to educate.
I think you got lost and ended up on the wrong board. Ciao, baby.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Personally I won't be sad about it.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)We agree. Done with you.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)who supposedly know all the insiders that we can only change the party from within. I worked my fucking ass off and donated quite a bit in 2008 to get Obama elected. I donated to his reelection in 2012. I have donated to various candidates including three who lost in 2014. I've voted in every single election since I turned 18. I have been a Democrat since I was in my teens, that is how passionate I felt about politics.
While I support President Obama, there are some things he has disappointed on, the main one being TPP. But it's not all on President Obama, we have a DNC Chair that doesn't do jackshit to help the party.
I'd tell you where to stick your suggestion, but it's not worth the hide.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)DeRay is a spot on there, as he is in so many other cases.
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malokvale77
(4,879 posts)It is in fact the Democratic Party that is imploding.
As an example: Here in Dallas, Texas - we went all democrat several election cycles back, but because our DA decided to spend funds freeing the wrongfully convicted instead of forcefully prosecuting people, they worked against him. We now have a batshit crazy, drug addicted Republican eating up the DA budget.
The Democratic Party no longer gives 2 hoots about any of us that cannot afford a ticket on the "Gravy Train".
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)I love to here about how the Dem party is doing on the local level.
I was just watching MSNBC and Rachel Maddow was doing a interview with head of S.C. Party Chair, and he was basically saying the national party has abandon the South allowing the GOP to rise. He goes on to say that there needs to be long term plan not just ever presidential cycle to GOTV
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)In 2014 the party came to Texas under the guise of "Battle Ground Texas" supposedly to elect more Democrats in Texas. Nope, seems the real reason was to gather names for possible donors to Hillary Clinton's bid for the WH. The democratic losers from that election are now on the Hillary bandwagon.
Although Dallas is mostly made up of Democratic officials, those officials bend more to the wishes of the Park Cities and North Dallas (read that as the monied) over the needs of the majority of the populace.
Both parties will throw us proles a bone once in a while, just as long as we allow that "Gravy Train" to roll.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)If many of its people are all supporting corporations and only putting in effort during elections, then of course we lose. Those who subsidize the attacks against hope, change and against democracy itself, have no place complaining when they are victorious.
Darb
(2,807 posts)Nothing gets out the vote like whites fearing the loss of control.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)here's your answer in a nutshell. The blind loyalists blaming the voters. It's certainly NOT an internal problem so quit saying that!!!!111!!1!
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Voluntarily extend the Bush tax cuts, surrender on the public option then say, "Oh, those lazy voters!"
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)to fucking DO SOMETHING to change their local Dem party...It starts down low with city/county councils or whatever...
Folks need to be proactive -- There is a disconnect between "Dems always run repub-lites so I'm staying home" and "I can't be bothered to voice my support for more liberal democratic candidates with the local committee"
But like I said, this is all strange to me because I grew up in a household that *always* voted, for state races, referendums, city council, school board, etc... Because my father was old enough to remember the time when he couldn't vote growing up in rural Va.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)If you are not the right kind of Democrat, you will be driven out of the local party apparatus.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)As usual...voters want a pony....eat your peas....ad nauseam!
Mojorabbit
(16,020 posts)Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)with your perfectly sarcastic post.
The blind loyalists who believe all us voters are stopping them from boarding the "Gravy Train".
I find it amusing that they claim "voters" are too lazy to vote. Wouldn't that make them "non-voters"?
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)Not as bad as the other guys is not exactly a real choice
Too many people see both parties as corporate stooges so their attitude is "I'm going to get screwed either way so I won't have anything to do with either of them"
THAT is the response I get from about 2/3 of the people I talk to about voting.
Thought the same during midterms. Offering nothing but we're not as bad as the other guy is a losing strategy.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)Every Bernie event we have we register voters. I can't tell you how many people have told me, "I have never voted/I don't usually vote but I want to vote for Bernie." Bernie is the counter to the disenfranchised voter. Hillary perpetuates it.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Take it for what it's worth. If you really want to change the party do not stop with Bernie. Start growing the new democrats by either running for office yourself or organize to get people you support elected to everything from school board to sheriff in your county. Put up some people for your state legislature. That's how you build the party. Expecting the party backbone to change because you say so is naive. Grow your movement. This is how the teabagger changed the GOP.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)I haven't been arrested or anything but my financial life is not perfect. I haven't claimed bankruptcy but still a lot of debt which will be used by a challenger and any other perceived negative in my life will be used. Politics are awful today.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Joking.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I'm not going to do their work for them. By law (and my own ethics) I register voters regardless of which party, or lack thereof, with which they register. I just happen to do it at our Bernie events.
Not sure where you assume that I "expect the party backbone to change because you say so." I see the Democratic Party in reality-based terms -- working for the same .01% as the Republicans. and they aren't about to shut down the gravy train. Personally, and especially after watching the DNC interference for Hillary, I think the Democratic Party has done irreparable harm to itself because people have caught on to the game. That's particularly true of millennials.
As for elections, if you haven't noticed, the system is rigged. The Party controls the candidates and if a progressive challenges their precious third-way-corporate shills they mobilize to choke off the campaign in any number of ways. Remember, this isn't the Republicans, these are the "Democrats." You know, the ones we're all supposed to get together and sing Kum Ba Ya if their corporate shill happens to "win" the nomination? I'm not going to be a part of that and neither should you. Neither should anyone.
ALL of this is controlled down to every City Council, County Supervisory Board, School Board, Water Board and dog catcher. Local control can either be by political parties or other entities but they're all working for the same goal and that goal isn't us.
Now, having said all that, I've worked campaigns/causes for 40 years, regardless of chances of winning. I just don't do it out of party loyalty for a party that no longer represents me nor wants me in it. I do it because I truly believe in the cause/candidate and try to walk the walk as I talk the talk.
gwheezie
(3,580 posts)Your way isn't wrong but how do you get folks to run for higher office unless they start somewhere
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)For me, they have to have integrity and a willingness to fight the good fight. There are other criteria as well but that's where I start. Then it's all up to the powers of persuasion BUT whoever is doing the persuading needs to have some gravitas and ensure that there is a ground game in place willing to back their candidacy.
After that it varies. If the progressive candidate is running against an incumbent Democrat in the primaries, the California Democratic Party has decided that the local organizations must back the incumbent, no matter how odius (see Jim Costa). So the question becomes is your candidate better off registering as a Democrat and having to wage a battle against the Democratic Party AND the Republicans or do you consider other options?
haikugal
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jeff47
(26,549 posts)Don't assume we haven't tried.
If you are not the right kind of Democrat, the party prefers a blank on the ballot.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I worked within the party for almost 30 years and the biggest obstacles were put up by fellow Democrats. We could take the Republicans, it was the entrenched Democratic Party structure unwilling to see anything different than the same way they've always done it (with increasingly diminishing results). Not only are they unwilling to change, they're unwilling to engage in any type of correcting self examination.
I only have so much energy and I don't have time to spend on battling the local party potentates.
The GOP has won because the highest level put money and effort into local campaigns.
Democrats are losing because the highest level is focused on the WH only.
It's one reason I support Bernie Sanders. He worked his way up from local to national politics by way of support from real people, instead of conditional party support.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)It's self perpetrating, Democrats aren't much different than Republicans, let the Republicans office, government is poorly done, proof there is no difference.
But no, that's wrong, put the Democrat in office and life is demonstratively better. It is a bullshit lie that they are not much different. A lie that the Republicans are either behind or well meaning ideologues on the left who are too stupid to realize they are being played.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)all they see is they're getting screwed by both sides.
Like I said 2/3 of the people that don't bother to vote that I've talked to see life that way.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Real life isn't empty soundbites.
The people not voting are the youth, and they need inspiration that they are not getting because the people they would vote for are bashed daily.
Voter apathy is the only way the Republicans stay in power, so they rely on this shit more than anyone.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)There are plenty of people in my age group that are just as uninspired.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)The boomers fucked us for two generations.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)That is more pitiful than funny.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)but your views on the various generations are a major turn off.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...crisis were all brought on by kids not even born yet.
I would rather we look at the facts and then get ourselves out of this mess by moving forward, and that is by motivating these kids who never had a fucking chance in hell to go out and vote, not tell them that there's no difference between the parties.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Your posts have such a familiar feel to them.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)I know I've won the argument when people result to pointless banter.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)'Given a choice between a fake Republican and a real one the public will choose...the real Republican every time".
Truer words, etc.,etc.......
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)I assume by your avatar you are in Texas. Correct me if I am wrong.
Here in Texas the Democratic Party is nothing but lame. How do you lose to idiots like Abbott, Patrick or Paxton? By being lame.
The proof is when the losers jump on the Clinton bandwagon. All aboard the "Gravy Train". Not you proles.
frylock
(34,825 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)in a glitzy NEW package! That's so much easier than changing the shitty product. And we can say it's not QUITE as bad as Brand X, even though it's 85% as bad as Brand X.
A sure winner, everyone. Cigars for all.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)The Democratic Party needs to quit fucking us over.
I vote every election, no matter how small or local. I'm seeing little, if anything at all, Democratic related to vote on for many cycles.
Quit blaming voters. The Party is giving us NOTHING!
Moliere
(285 posts)Howard Dean should have been congratulated for his efforts and not disposed of
B Calm
(28,762 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,812 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,741 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,812 posts)Her "leadership" and judgement suck, big time.
She's a L-O-S-E-R.
I want Howard Dean back in her position.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)For the last decade that has been the Democratic party strategy.
"Be more like the Republicans."
"Republicans win elections, we need to be more like the Republicans!"
"When we don't win, it's liberals' fault, we need to be more conservative!"
And the result is that the Democratic base - liberals and the left - sees worse and worse candidates put forth and supported by hte increasingly conservative party elite. The Democrats are in effect suppressing their own vote.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)malokvale77
(4,879 posts)is a sham. For you to pretend different is laughable.
Your avatar should be a reminder, to every Texas Democrat, what happens when the party becomes complicit with the GOP.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)Also, the U.S. Chamber of Commerce started dumping large amounts of money on state and local races 40 years ago since a little money in each race would make all of the difference. Our Party has NEVER TRIED to compete with this, they let it continue! Why?
pscot
(21,024 posts)who are using it to win.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)Couldn't agree more!
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)being a Democrat = no organized party whereas the Republicans (authoritarians that they are) have always played the long game. Now I think its more about having a one party system (the Business Party) with half of it willing to throw a few bread crusts to the masses.
Personally, I think we lost this one (a Republic, if you can keep it) and are now just rearranging the deck chairs.
Dustlawyer
(10,497 posts)I still have hope thanks to Bernie, but a lot of eyes need to be opened.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)RW media has brainwashed the electorate into thinking everything "Democrat" is evil. Just listen to Fox, Hannity, Limbaugh, or any RW radio host.. its shocking the crap they spew and more shocking how many people believe it.
if we dont counter RW media dominance we are doomed.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Apart from the TPP, I don't recall much of an effort to change minds the classic way, through rhetoric - the art of persuasive speaking.
Thank you for the heads-up on Admiral Loinpresser's series, Scuba. That's a lot of change in reverse.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)kelliekat44
(7,759 posts)Obama can't get a forum from the media like Trump can. Whose fault is that?
ncteechur
(3,071 posts)1. It's easier to run against something or someone than stand for something. GOP is good at demonization.
2. Gerrymandering.
3. Democrats are terrible in midterm and off-year elections. Just pitiful.
4. All politics are local and we dems focus on the White House but less on local and state politics.
5. Power of incumbency. Once a bad politician is in its very difficult to remove unless there are term limits.
Freddie
(9,275 posts)I know people who will vote for their R state rep because "he helped Grandpa get his veterans benefits" and other personal reasons that only a local politician can do. They think "he's such a nice guy, not a whack job like the other R's" while that state rep goes back to Harrisburg and votes in lockstep with the party. Multiply that by millions.
tavernier
(12,406 posts)That, and unless R or D helped grandpa, most folks don't care enough to vote unless it's every 4 years for the big one. Hell, many don't even know that there ARE other elections. "Who are these people and why don't they get their damned irritating posters and commercials out of my face?"
But they do care who the Kardashians are dating.
And that's why the donald might very well be our next president.
And p.s. - I'll betcha that 75 % of registered democrats have never even heard of Debbie Wasserman Schultz, so there will be no rush for change on that front.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)DU has spoken, and this is all Obama's fault
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)This is not unusual for the party of the president to drive the opposite party into power because everything bad always gets hung on the President's head.
check out:
http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/l/bl_party_division_2.htm
Going all the way back to 1945, there's been few times that either party had the Legislative and executive branches wrapped up.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)brentspeak
(18,290 posts)And you conveniently left out the crucial point about state legislatures being captured by the GOP. That is a failure squarely on Obama's choice for DNC chair -- Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I get it now. Nevermind I'll just move along to something interesting.
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Where have i heard that one before?
brentspeak
(18,290 posts)as she helps to run the party into the ground.
GeorgeGist
(25,323 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,729 posts)When just about ever state was Democratic, when idealism wasn't ridiculed. Back when the government built public housing because it was wrong to have people living on the streets. Back when public welfare was good and helped people in need.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)Must have been nice.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)I remember Great Society commercials that spoke of hope for the future, of ending poverty and discrimination, of creating a society where the elderly could lead fulfilling lives without fear of losing everything
jeff47
(26,549 posts)There has never been a Democratic candidate on my ballot for federal office that I actually wanted. 20 years of "who else you gonna vote for?" gets tiring.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)what is wrong with voting? We are mad our wages are going up and sit back and allow the republicans to vote their candidates in office, what does this say about Democrats?
jeff47
(26,549 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)Not voting means the Democratic candidates suck. That is independent of how much the Republican candidates suck.
Yes, the end result benefits Republicans, but the vast majority of Democratic voters are not motivated by hatred. Thus they will not reflexively vote for the Democrat out of hatred of Republicans.
Democratic candidates need to give voters a reason to vote for them, not give reasons to vote against the Republican.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)they win.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)instead of continuing to shout "Republicans bad!!!"
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)jeff47
(26,549 posts)The election before that was 2014. We did abysmally and turnout was low.
The election before that was 2012, Obama won by 1/2 the margin in 2008, and we lost a lot of state races. Turnout was down from 2008.
The election before that was 2010. We did abysmally and turnout was low.
The election before that was 2008, we did very well by giving people something to vote for (Hope and Change), not just "Republicans bad!". Turnout went up.
Where are you seeing "complaining about Republicans" winning in the last election?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)and put an ERA into the Constitution, turnout was about 70% or twice that of the national average. 2010 was much the same but we actually broke midterm records that year. CA, next door also wiped the floor with Republicans in 2010.
So if it's all about these deep existential longings for inspiration ala church, why then do some States vote and elect good officials and practice decent policies while others do not? Why are entire States spared this angst?
It's really super easy to vote here, so people vote. Think about that. The more people vote, the better the candidates and propositions become.
So I tend to think that access and ease of voting are factors those of you in States with low turnout should certainly consider because turnout is how you eventually get things moved along. And your State makes election laws which can in fact be changed.
Tuesday's election here was purely local, we passed a property tax levy to extend hours at branch libraries. No candidates, one question. It was single issue voting in the most literal possible sense.
But it was a tax hike for libraries and it did pass.....
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)Purrfessor
(1,188 posts)demonization of Democrats and liberal policies plays a major role in getting Republicans elected, I believe. Driving from Ohio to Tennessee Rant Radio covers the AM dial. Not a single progressive voice on it. For that you need Sirius.
get the red out
(13,468 posts)You've got it! Nailed.
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Response to Scuba (Original post)
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Turbineguy
(37,372 posts)Why even bother to vote? I can get screwed and save the price of a stamp.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)TBF
(32,102 posts)blackspade
(10,056 posts)This is her loosing record.
Tarc
(10,476 posts)How charming.
Botany
(70,589 posts)BTW a call to Dr. Dean might be good.
ileus
(15,396 posts)The next year will doom the pukes.
We will retain the Oval office, and retake the Senate next cycle, and take many seats back from congress.
But even with all that our real power will be Hillarys two picks on the SC that will set our agenda for decades...
Give us 8 years and you'll be dancing in the streets....they don't have the numbers to win. With the SC on our side we can't lose...
Arkana
(24,347 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)I guess people missed that.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)BlueStateLib
(937 posts)Throw a progressive under the bus and they stay home, throw a centrist under the bus and they vote republican.
angrychair
(8,733 posts)We need a canidiate and a cause that goes a different direction, if my choices are light grey and dark grey, what the hell do I care who wins. The age of the 'superstar' candidate is dead. Presidential politics won't carry the day alone anymore...coattails Are not what they used to be. We need the on the ground, grassroots local government candidates to carry the day.
If I tell people I need your taxes dollars for this thing or that thing and it never happens or takes years and more tax dollars and the benefit is not as visible anymore, it makes me less inclined to believe you next time you need my money or effort.
Our candidates have to matter. They have to be different. We need to refocus our efforts at the town, county and state levels.
All politics is local
Win the hearts and minds at a town, county and state level, you win them at a federal level. Talk to people, listen to people and be accountable to people.
I am a progressive. Ask me why.
melm00se
(4,996 posts)is that the Republican party have messages that are resonating with voters and the Democratic party does not.
it's that simple.
Say/champion something that a voter supports and they will vote for you.
Say/champion something that a voter doesn't support and they won't vote for you.
Say what you like about Trump, his message is resonating with enough voters to make the race between him and Clinton far far far closer than it should be.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)has Rs in control there is little that can be done from the top to help. The ACA is a prime example. 30+ states refused to become part of the new expanded Medicaid and this made sure that the poor in their states did not get the help needed and it also contributed to the problems ACA is having as a whole.
I have often said that FDR's New Deal did not reach the inner cities and the reservations. This is why. Local officials who did not push it for these areas.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)The reality is this...the Democrats have had success when it comes to the White House. But we are getting routed at the state and local level....especially outside the urban areas. The rural areas are VERY Republican. And that's why they will have the House of Representatives for the foreseeable future.
Gerrymandering is part of it, but not all of it. Take a look at the electoral maps by county....the urban areas are blue and the rural areas are all red. We have a urban-rural political divide in this country. That's not going to change anytime soon. Things like gun control that now Hillary wants to push will only further the divide and hurt Democrats running in House and Senate races.
Yes, we captured the House in 2006 and expanded control in 2008. But we need to stop living in that past because it's completely gone up in smoke since. And that's not just a temporary condition. Many of the Democrats that won 2006 due to Dean's 50 state strategy were moderate. They won in conservative areas. So when the Democrat House started to pass "liberal" legislation, they got slaughtered in 2010. Democrats cannot capture the House unless they get moderates to win in conservative areas. Ramping up vote totals in the urban areas won't do much when it comes to the House.
moondust
(20,006 posts)Tommy2Tone
(1,307 posts)The GOP made inroads when Obama was not on the ticket and Democrats thought it was cool to stay the fuck home and not vote. Obama ran twice and both times increased the amount of Democrats in the house and senate. I won't read the articles for the same reason I don't read Red State.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)for two decades.
How has that worked out for us?
DreamGypsy
(2,252 posts)...in the four years 2003-2006, Americans for Prosperity received $1,181,000 from conservative foundations, so about $300K per year.
In the 2012 campaign the 17 allied groups in the Freedom Network raised, and presumably spent, $407 million.
And now, from Koch Brothers' network will drop almost $1 billion on 2016 election, we find that
The stunning sum from Freedom Partners would dwarf expected spending from official GOP committees and many of the hopefuls expected to seek the party's presidential nomination in 2016. The $889 million budget is almost twice what 2012 GOP nominee Mitt Romney spent from his campaign accounts.
Democrats lose when politician are bought and sold by conservatives. Oh, and when Democrats don't bother to vote.
Iggo
(47,571 posts)hollowdweller
(4,229 posts)That's #1
We have been liberal on social issues but not really on economic ones.
Look at the rust belt. There was no dem money or plan to bring prosperity to those regions after Dems voted for free trade and sent their jobs overseas.
So if neither party is seen as better or worse for the working class, and the GOP paints dems as the party of gun control and taxes that will further reduce their income they vote republican.
The dems really need a unified vision for the country that involves a decent wage, family leave, a secure retirement and hope for the working class to move up.
Also the Dems have not branded the GOP like the GOP has branded the dems. I have seen people in rural areas actually apologize because they support some things Obama has done because being a democrat is not cool.
leftstreet
(36,116 posts)Good post, this especially
No kidding
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The statistics evidence cheating the American people of majority representation.
Rex
(65,616 posts)They also cause so much fear in their audience, that they will go and vote no matter what it says on the ballot. A very dangerous group of people, that react to fear and anger.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)Not blue dogs. This past Tuesday exemplifies why. People stay home and aren't excited about who's running.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Who knew?
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)WillyT
(72,631 posts)HassleCat
(6,409 posts)But the president is not the architect of party strategy. At least I don't think he had much of a hand in developing the current approach. I fact, I would say the party shows some reluctance about getting too closely associated with the president. It seems they want to claim him or brush him off, depending on circumstances.
LoveIsNow
(356 posts)It's our "strategy" of ignoring local elections in favor of the presidency that's screwing us over.
And even that, I would somewhat attribute to Citizens United.
However, I think the Republicans are beating us in grassroots enthusiasm as well, so you can't really blame it all on money. Cold and calculated may be a good strategy to make best use of our scarce financial resources, but it's not a good strategy for actually getting people into the voting booth.
You gotta give 'em hope.
I'm shocked to see this on DU. It was one thing to write off 2010 to the "stab in the back" myth of low Democratic participation, but 3 full cycles of losses are a reality that can't be ignored. Sure, the guy at the top limped out a win in 2012, but that's about it. It's a complete meltdown and it's time to acknowledge that reality as well as finding the causes. It's not all money and it's not all racism (though I've seen plenty of both at play, living in a battleground state). Those two things have put the GOP over the top, but it's not what put them in striking distance. It's time to come to Jesus on how that happened.
Bernblu
(441 posts)Only 37% of the public bothered to vote in 2014. TPP and the election of Clinton and her third-way economic and trade policies may be the finals nails in the coffin. I don't know if the Democratic party will recover to be a viable national party again. We desperately need Sanders to be elected and provide real change.
Truprogressive85
(900 posts)Neera Tanden president of Center for American Progress
VS
Donald Trump
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... they are going lose more. Many of us are done with the bullshit. Work for US and we'll work for you, keep stabbing US in the back...
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)and not just in presidential election years or just for Barack Obama.