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PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 06:07 AM Nov 2015

Doctors, Hospitals Say 'No' to Obamacare Plans

Government health officials worked diligently this year to improve consumer experience on Healthcare.gov and make sure people know what they are getting for their money when they pick health insurance. But one thing is out of the government's control: whether doctors and hospitals will agree to accept patients who buy these plans.

Surveys and data are limited, so it's difficult to gauge the extent of the issue, but anecdotal evidence from patients and providers show it is a struggle. Some newly insured patients wonder whether it's worth paying for coverage they can't actually use. Even when they do find a provider, reports show they face crippling out-of-pocket costs they didn't expect.

Doctors or hospitals may be left out of insurance networks for many reasons; the decision is usually up to the insurance company, not the provider, but it usually comes down to reimbursement, which can be lower through plans obtained via the Obamacare marketplace.

"We have no idea what the plans are paying," says David Howard, professor in the department of health policy and management at Emory University. "That's closely guarded information. We can only draw conclusions based on anecdotal reports."

Read the rest at: http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2015/11/04/doctors-hospitals-wont-accept-obamacare-marketplace-plans

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Doctors, Hospitals Say 'No' to Obamacare Plans (Original Post) PoliticAverse Nov 2015 OP
The vast majorities of doctors are corporate malaise Nov 2015 #1
Very few can afford their own practice any more. LiberalArkie Nov 2015 #3
Yes, I ran into that just recently... Fumesucker Nov 2015 #4
Anecdotal Evidnce.....not buying it. ALBliberal Nov 2015 #2
Nor am I. WinkyDink Nov 2015 #7
So hospitals mercuryblues Nov 2015 #5
One of the problems with the ACA (as the article mentions) is that there is a 90 day window... PoliticAverse Nov 2015 #18
group health plan now hmo...just lost my doctor of 20 years dembotoz Nov 2015 #6
When insurance companies own health systems spinbaby Nov 2015 #8
Here in Cali, Blue Cross ACA plans are reimbursing 20% less taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #9
While Blue Cross in California executive salaries have soared... OneGrassRoot Nov 2015 #10
"What is Blue Shield trying to hide? This raises so many red flags," nt bananas Nov 2015 #14
They are hiding their profit margins by increasing CEO salary. ACA mandates that insurance B Calm Nov 2015 #17
+ 1 Person 2713 Nov 2015 #12
+ 1 Person 2713 Nov 2015 #13
The gravy train is coming to an end. The days of yachts and lion safaris are soon underahedgerow Nov 2015 #11
Nobody is going to take that job taught_me_patience Nov 2015 #20
It happened to PasadenaTrudy Nov 2015 #15
Are they saying no to all the ACA plans or just select ones? B Calm Nov 2015 #16
Different providers/plans will have different reimbursement rates. PoliticAverse Nov 2015 #19

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
4. Yes, I ran into that just recently...
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:35 AM
Nov 2015

Old family doctor but now is part of big medical corporate practice, personally perfectly willing to take my Medicare but corporate says no.. So I'm still looking for a doctor.

mercuryblues

(14,543 posts)
5. So hospitals
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:38 AM
Nov 2015

prefer to get $0.00 reimbursement, instead of what the ACA will pay. They want to go back to the good old days of bad debt and bill collectors.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
18. One of the problems with the ACA (as the article mentions) is that there is a 90 day window...
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:56 PM
Nov 2015

where the plan purchaser can not pay for a plan leaving the provider on the hook
for the resulting 'bad debt'.

spinbaby

(15,090 posts)
8. When insurance companies own health systems
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 09:57 AM
Nov 2015

Here in PA, we have two competing health systems--UPMC and Highmark--who don't want to accept each other's insurance.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
9. Here in Cali, Blue Cross ACA plans are reimbursing 20% less
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:36 AM
Nov 2015

No wonder doctors are not taking it. My wife is a GP and she's about to notify her patients that she'll be dropping the ACA plans. People do not do the same amount of work for 20% less revenue, which translates to 50% less income.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
10. While Blue Cross in California executive salaries have soared...
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:49 AM
Nov 2015
http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-blue-shield-pay-20150901-story.html

Nonprofit insurer Blue Shield of California boosted executive compensation by $24 million in 2012 — a 64% jump over the previous year — according to a confidential state audit reviewed by The Times.

The state requires companies like Blue Shield to submit information on annual pay, but the company interprets the rule to apply only to executives still employed at the time it files the paperwork — in this case, March 2013. Bodaken and other executives had left by then.

The revelations about the compensation — and the company's assertion that it doesn't have to disclose Bodaken's full pay — come at a time when state officials are already scrutinizing the company's nonprofit status.

"What is Blue Shield trying to hide? This raises so many red flags," said Frank Glassner, chief executive of Veritas Executive Compensation Consultants in San Francisco. "Blue Shield owes policyholders an explanation for how it spent this money."
 

B Calm

(28,762 posts)
17. They are hiding their profit margins by increasing CEO salary. ACA mandates that insurance
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:55 PM
Nov 2015

companies can only make 20% profit!

underahedgerow

(1,232 posts)
11. The gravy train is coming to an end. The days of yachts and lion safaris are soon
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 10:56 AM
Nov 2015

to be over for US medical professionals, and that's a good thing. A doctor should be in the medical profession to provide medical care, not to get rich.

The average doctor in France makes about 60K a year. A decent, ordinary living wage. But their education was paid for by the state, not by massive student loans. So that doctor doesn't need to make a million bucks a year to pay off their loans.

And, they still make house calls. Go figure.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
20. Nobody is going to take that job
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 03:13 PM
Nov 2015

Causing a major shortage of doctors. GP's make an average of 200k, and there is already a shortage of them.

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
15. It happened to
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:45 PM
Nov 2015

my boyfriend here in CA. I also had a doctor not accept my non-ACA Blue Shield plan. I've switched to Kaiser now so I don't have to deal with this bullshit. All services in one place makes it easier.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
19. Different providers/plans will have different reimbursement rates.
Thu Nov 5, 2015, 02:58 PM
Nov 2015

Although it appears some doctors/hospitals are rejecting all ACA plans others
are just rejecting those that are reimbursing significantly less than the plans
they are currently accepting.

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