Huckabee - No Insurance For Pre-Existing Conditions

[lame54]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2010/09/17/huckabee-says-no-to-insurance-for-people-with-pre-existing-conditions/

Huckabee: "It sounds so good, and it’s such a warm message to say we’re not gonna deny anyone from a preexisting condition. Look, I think that sounds terrific, but I want to ask you something from a common sense perspective. Suppose we applied that principle [to] our property insurance. And you can call your insurance agent and say, “I’d like to buy some insurance for my house.” He’d say, “Tell me about your house.” “Well sir, it burned down yesterday, but I’d like to insure it today.” And he’ll say “I’m sorry, but we can’t insure it after it’s already burned.” Well, no preexisting conditions.”

He explained his theory at the Value Voter’s Summit last month. He postulated that you can’t call and get homeowners insurance after your house burns down so little babies born with a severe disability should not get health insurance either. Too late, baby. If you wanted Mike’s help, you should have stayed a fetus.

Jesus specialized in pre-existing conditions. Jesus did not heal the well. He healed the lame, the blind, and even the dead.

http://crooksandliars.com/2015/11/because-jesus-gave-you-disease-and-you

[sharp_stick]

1. He's such a scumbag

fortunately he'll never be President. I think even a lot fundies are starting to figure out he's a creepy grifter.

[yeoman6987]

9. Even I thought the article title has to be over the top and his words manipulated

But no! This guy is even worse then I thought possible.

[Hortensis]

33. Huckabee is right and accidentally explains WHY insurance is

an impossibly inadequate delivery mechanism for healthcare and is, in fact, obsolete.

Insurance was always something careful people purchased for protection against something that was UNLIKELY but would be disastrously EXPENSIVE if it happened. It mostly worked for a while when there were relatively few very expensive treatments that would extend life for very long. Insurance companies used data to assess their risk in covering a person and, of course, did not offer coverage to people with significant medical conditions. (They could, but they'd have to price them at the cost of the bills plus administration costs and profits.)

Thanks to the Medical Revolution, there are now thousands of very expensive treatments that can and will cure, relieve, and prolong life significantly -- long enough to need more of them as other conditions and recurrences come along. And many more new treatments coming. NO LONGER UNLIKELY -- LIKELY. Thus, insurance is obsolete.

We are reforming healthcare in order to give ourselves the blessing of longer, healthier lives that almost by definition will require livelong continued healthcare maintenance. NOT a just-in-case-the-unthinkable-happens-once-or-twice spot protection.

(And Huckabee's a despicable snake oil salesman who makes money off uninsured people.)

[ProfessorPlum]

34. Your response is exactly my own when I was reading it

He's just explained why insurance is exactly the wrong model for healthcare.

Thanks for spelling it out.

[LonePirate]

2. When will Christians rename themselves? There is nothing Christ-like about them nowadays.

[jwirr]

31. How about anti-Christians? Those churches that leave out

Christ's message are more anti-christ than they are Christian.

[RKP5637]

57. Religious outfits today are for profit corporations and tax free. And, they make up the

rules as they go along. ... basically, anti-christ outfits in it for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$'s and many for hatred and persecution of others.

[jwirr]

58. Totally agree. Unfortunately.

[RKP5637]

63. They could be helpful by bonding together all sorts of people, but sadly

they spend their time and resources to divide people and spewing out bigotry and hatred. I view most of them as hate clubs.

[rurallib]

60. This really applies to all repugs - heard a name on Thom Hartmann yesterday

that really fits what they are - The Corpo Party - of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation.

[Siwsan]

3. Sounds like a Death Panel, to me

Just saying.....

[Nye Bevan]

4. And if an uninsured kid happens to get bone cancer, that's just too bad.

And this guy is supposedly a Christian?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

10. recall the words of Gandhi.

[alarimer]

5. This man is a hateful pig.

So if you have the misfortune to contract a condition before you have insurance, you are screwed.

Like me, for instance. I know I had gallstones before I started this new job and went on the insurance plan, but they never bothered me. But because they were a "pre-existing" condition, my surgery would not be covered under Hucakbee's scheme. Costing me many thousands more than it actually will.

Fuck you, you "christian" pile of moose turds.

[csziggy]

16. If you get a condition WHILE covered with insurance, it will be dropped

Before the ACA individuals not under a group policy could expect that if they got sick, their insurance coverage would be dropped - and they would be unable to purchase any insurance at all ever again in their life time.

In addition, if you worked for a company and were covered by their group insurance and got sick, you had to continue to work in order to stay covered. Case in point - my BIL worked for "the happiest place" kingdom when he was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer. After he had used up his sick leave, his vacation time and any unpaid leave his supervisors could arrange he still had to continue working enough hours a week to keep his insurance coverage. The company would not allow others to work in his stead - he had to show up at least 32 hours a week.

For eighteen months he got his chemotherapy and radiation on Thursday afternoons so he would be well enough to drag himself into work on Monday mornings. When he got ill enough that he knew he could not longer do that, he refused treatment then went home and died under hospice care two weeks later.

That company and their insurance company robbed him of time with his children for the last eighteen months of his life. Almost every weekend he was too sick to spend any time with them. Since his vacation time went towards time when he was too sick to work and his money went to co-pays he did not get a last vacation with his kids. He died sooner than he might have so he did not leave his family in debt.

The ACA may not have fixed all of that but it would have enabled him to obtain insurance coverage while not forcing him to remain at his job. He could have spent more time with his children instead of not even having the energy to sit at the dinner table most nights.

[trumad]

6. This guy should be destroyed for saying this...

but he won't.... we live in a weird country.

[lame54]

67. he could put out a greatest hits album...

and he would always be around politically

[Dawson Leery]

7. Just one of 60 million+ heartless, cold, cruel, inhumane Evangelicals.

[Enthusiast]

46. +1

[malaise]

8. But a TV program for the Duggars

Fuckabee is one sick fugg.

[trusty elf]

50. ...

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[malaise]

66. Is he on the spin cycle?

[B2G]

11. Eff you Mike nt

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

12. Oh he's not only a sociopath. He's also a moron. Good for him. nt

[livetohike]

13. Why isn't he polling -1%? Such a hateful person. Maybe he will be the next

to dropout.

[spanone]

14. so he wants the ill to die without insurance, death panel mike...fuckabee

[Warpy]

15. Yeah, insurance companies make more money if they don't cover people who need health care

That's the kind of distorted thinking that characterizes all Republicans and it's why they should be disqualified from holding any public office, anywhere, at any time.

Democrats need to come out swinging on this one. Tie the Republicans to the corporations and greed where they most certainly belong, scoop the Christianity right out from under them.

It figures a preacher would think the best corporate model is to collect money without providing anything in return but I always have had an unsympathetic view of organized religion.

[KamaAina]

17. Like diabetes?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Huckabee#Weight_loss_and_health_advocacy

When elected governor of Arkansas, Huckabee was obese. In 2003, physicians diagnosed him with type 2 diabetes, and informed him that he would not live more than 10 years if he did not lose weight.

[lame54]

18. then he lost it and started ripping on fat people - that is until he...

gained it all back

[KamaAina]

20. Get a load of this!

In 2009, Huckabee acknowledged that he had gained back a fourth of his weight due to a foot condition that prevented him from running.

So running is the only possible form of exercise?!

[lame54]

23. there are a lot things that should stop him from running...

but there he is up on that stage

[KatyMan]

25. And while running helps...

you lose weight in the kitchen, not in the gym or on the track.

[trusty elf]

49. Foot in mouth disease?

or is he eating too many fried squirrels?

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[KamaAina]

62. ROFLMAO!

[BlueJazz]

19. Maybe if ALL the American populace had a chance for check-ups and were able to afford a diagnostic..

..health review, there wouldn't be so many "people with pre-existing conditions"

The Inscrewence Companies brought this shit on themselves...

[Iggo]

21. Suppose human bodies are in no way the same as houses, Fuckabee.

[progressoid]

29. No shit!

[Matariki]

22. Which is WHY we need to get insurance OUT of health care.

Jeezus. It's obvious.

[randys1]

27. The two words NEVER should have been put together, we are so fucking dumb

to accept this as if it is status quo.

[Matariki]

40. Seriously. And the fact that Huckabee is more concerned about the impact on insurance companies

than the impact on human beings with long term illness speaks volumes about the brand of "Christianity" has professes to value so much.

[randys1]

48. His brand is the same brand as tens of millions of white rw xtians

[smirkymonkey]

30. Thank YOU!

[Johonny]

47. +1

[Runningdawg]

24. I am a woman

most insurance companies now consider that a pre-existing condition.

[randys1]

26. Say hello to the American Teaparty, aka American Taliban.

[Adrahil]

28. A person isn't a fucking HOUSE.

This is why we need guaranteed health care for every American.

[HereSince1628]

53. You can't get health insurance on a dead person

which is a more correct analogy to a burned down house.

And the truth is you actually -can- get insurance on an old falling apart house...if your credit score allows it.
Old people with pre-existing conditions can even get life-insurance. It's pretty expensive, but you can get it.

[Initech]

32. Your American Taliban, er, Values Voters at work.

[47of74]

35. Fuckabee says I got mine so fuck you and your entire family.

That's the gist of it.

[JDPriestly]

36. Hey! Jesus insured anyone willing to be insured.

"Jesus specialized in pre-existing conditions. Jesus did not heal the well. He healed the lame, the blind, and even the dead."

If everyone were insured all their lives, there would be no pre-existing conditions.

We need universal health care coverage.

Health insurance for everyone. We need Bernie Sanders.

It shows you how utterly materialistic Huckabee really is. He likens a human being to a mere house.

So much for the pro-life pretense.

Feel the Bern! Universal healthcare coverage for all -- and no for-profits insuring humans.

[valerief]

37. He's a soul-sucking skeeve. nt

[gregcrawford]

38. Talk about false equivalencies!

How DARE this festering bag of rat excrement call himself a "Christian!" This peckerwood is the REAL Anti-Christ!

[geardaddy]

39. As someone with a pre-existing condition

I say to Gomer Fuckabee, "Fuck you, you piece of shit."

[City Lights]

41. I'd punch him right in the mouth if I had the opportunity...

He is a disgusting piece of shit.

[tclambert]

42. Clearly, he is more concerned with the health of insurance companies than of people.

Gotta protect those corporations.

[Scalded Nun]

43. Spoken like the true man of the cloth that he is

Nothing but evil from the right.

[SCantiGOP]

44. In case anyone missed this gem in the OP

{If you wanted Mike’s help, you should have stayed a fetus.}

Well done, lame one.

[lame54]

65. can't take credit...

that was C&L

but it is a nice line

[Enthusiast]

45. Well, Huck, that why we need to rid the nation of health insurance.

Insurance should have no piece of the health care pie! None!

[Solly Mack]

51. Does the idiot think the dead need healthcare?

Since seeking health insurance for someone that has already died would be akin to seeking home insurance on a house that has already burned to the ground.

Course, he does cheer continued life support for the brain dead, so...

Well, there you go. Death becomes a pre-existing medical condition for anyone declared brain dead...ergo - he should be against any health insurance (federal, state, private) being used to sustain bodily functions by a machine after a person has been declared brain dead. Or does he think insurance companies should be forced to insure the dead?

Does he think "The Walking Dead" is a documentary?

What a boon to the insurance companies - death health insurance! Insure your brain dead loved one and feel at ease that GE "brings good things to life!™*".

(* in the event of power outages, GE and its associates not responsible for the continued loss of life to the dead)

What? I can't have fun with his stupidity?

[jwirr]

52. Almost everyone has a pre-existing condition today. I wonder

what his is?

[Eleanors38]

54. So he has a rider to cover pre-existing stupidity?

[SoapBox]

55. Make it easy on the poor, poor insurance companies...

Just...Die...Quickly.

Remember that "plan"?

(Best thing Alan Grayson ever said!)

[ErikJ]

56. Yeah Huck, that's why we socialized fire fighting .

It used to be that people had to pay for fire fighting insurance. If you had a medallion on your door they would put it out. That was pretty stupid, so they socialized it called the fire dept.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

59. I half expect to find out he's scammed FEMA money on flood property.

[zipplewrath]

61. Not the same thing at all

It is the problem with even calling health "insurance" that at all. It isn't insurance, to a great degree it's merely an extended payment plan. The only thing "insuring" about it is that we share the risk. We don't know how much health care we'll need, and a precious few will need little at all. But the VAST majority of us will need health care, even if only preventative. By working through insurance companies, we can "share" the risk with each other. The insurance companies sought to divide us by "risk" and pit the less risk against the riskier.

What most democrats want is to convert this risk to a public risk and share it universally with each other. Of course, once we do that there's really no need for a profit component, anymore than there is a profit component to the fire department. Most of us will never need the fire department directly. But we have an interest in it being there, and we have an interest in being there when the house next door has a fire. We have an interest in fire hydrants. We all have an interest in everyone having healthcare. It benefits us all. Society benefits when the sick are cared for. Society benefits when the workers are kept productive. Society benefits when individual families aren't run into bankruptcy with unpayible bills.

Society benefits, so society should share the risk. Health insurance shouldn't be a mandate, health CARE should be a shared resource.

[tanyev]

64. Only those who are perfectly healthy and will never get sick should be allowed to buy insurance!

[PowerToThePeople]

68. Decrease the surplus population

[mvd]

69. Comparing people to property?

Yeah, that is common sense all right. Geez, the ignorance these Repukes have. Of course, Repukes think of people as just money and labor for the insurance companies and corporations, so no surprise they would make a stupid comparison between living beings and property.

[Ilsa]

70. Republicans use faulty logic, comparing apples

and lug nuts.

Carson was comparing the the fact that the Titanic was built by professionals to the myth of an amateur Noah building an art. I wonder if he'd like a gardener operating on his brain?

[restorefreedom]

71. i would love to be a fly on the wall

during a Jesus/huckabee meeting. i don't claim to be anything close to perfect, but this guy is an over the top antiChrist.

jesus turned the tables over in the temple to protest the exchange of money in a place of worship
he healed a guy on the sabbath when he wasn't supposed to
he hung out with thieves and prostitues
he stopped the stoning of the woman
he told the thief next to him who repented that they would be in paradise

huckabee wants to start some kind of taliban state. he wants to take health care away from people. he wants women to be both responsible for and guilty for sex and yet always be available.
he wants people to be religious and yet be capable of vulture capitalism.

huckabee espouses the complete opposite of everything his God teaches. he is a vile, repugnant cretin who uses religion to control others. he claims to answer to God and does the opposite of what God's book says.

[Skittles]

72. gawd he is SUCH a piece of SHIT

[standingtall]

73. Huckabee just said what all repukes really belief

When they tell you they want to repeal the ACA and replace it with something. Is they really just want to go back to the way things were.

[Skittles]

75. CORRECT

[lame54]

78. the way things were...

Was too good for us

In their minds

[Recursion]

74. Well, I mean he's right that that's not "insurance" at that point

Insurance is about covering risks, not known costs. Not that he has an idea, in particular, on what should cover those costs...

[still_one]

76. This POS is just another pseudo "christian"

[onecaliberal]

77. Fuck off fake Christian piece of shit.

These assholes are nothing like Christ, the are the devil incarnate. How does this guy say he's religious?!?