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Japan has finally figured out what to do with its abandoned golf courses
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Published 9:14 am, Thursday, July 16, 2015
http://www.chron.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Japan-has-finally-figured-out-what-to-do-with-its-6388551.php
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This is what's happening in Japan, where developers built too many golf courses over the last few decades after demand shot up in the 1980s. Now the industry is in decline, with participation in the sport down 40% from the 1990s, and abandoned golf courses are starting to pop up.
Kyocera's solution: turn the abandoned green space into solar farms. Japan has been hungry for alternative energy ever since the 2011 Fukushima disaster made nuclear power an unattractive option in the country, and golf courses just happen to be perfectly suited for solar power they're large open spaces that often get lots of sunlight.
The golf course that will be turned into a 23 MW solar farm.
Kyocera's first project, now under construction, is a 23 megawatt solar plant on a golf course in Kyoto prefecture. When it goes live in 2017, the plant will produce enough power for about 8,100 households.
The company is also developing a 92 megawatt solar plant generating enough energy for over 30,000 households on an abandoned golf course in Kagoshima prefecture. No word on when that project will go live.
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liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)I am all for alternative energy including solar and this is a great application but they cut down countless trees, cleared forest for fairways. We need those forest as much as we need alternative energy.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)How many people will walk among those panels? A dozen technicians once a week on the whole golf-course? That's more than enough time for small game to return.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Spiders love them.
kristopher
(29,798 posts)Their forestry regime has been in place and extremely effective for over 200 years.
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liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)But also pro-wilderness.
I think everyone misses a huge opportunity when it comes to solar. We have parking lots everywhere. When the sun shines, the cars sitting in those parking lots get hot.
Why not cover all our parking lots with solar panels, we get covered parking lots + solar energy.
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Bonus, electric car charging.
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liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)Cost cutting corporate leadership says it cost too much.
Yet they want to proclaim our product is green because it has a very small amount of recycled content.
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haikugal
(6,476 posts)ChisolmTrailDem
(9,463 posts)absorbed by concrete and ashpalt and creating localized heat islands in our cities and suburban landscapes. It also, obviously, provides shade for our vehicles, which is nice if you live in a place where it can get blazing hot inside a car.
icarusxat
(403 posts)Koch Brothers,
Locally there are plenty more. Those who own the land and the resources that should rightfully belong to all of us...they block, and deceive and trick us into buying the lie that renewable energy just isn't feasible...
liberal N proud
(60,336 posts)That and mass transit
hunter
(38,317 posts)Put solar over parking lots, factories, toxic waste dumps, and other "developed" and destroyed landscapes.
Restore to nature the golf courses.
I seriously think golf would be a much more interesting game if it coexisted with the natural environment of a place.
18 greens, synthetic if necessary, and very, very, gently managed wilderness in between.
It works for Frisbee golf.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)I don't mind the ones out in the arid wastelands of a dessert though. In fact I would think there can be used as a little bit of a respite of the sparse inhabitants.
Also, wouldn't it be cool if truck trailers & transport containers (like the detachable types that go on trucks or rail) be covered in 'em?
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)And here's a surprisingly progressive article about this in Forbes, of all places.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobcook/2014/05/23/how-a-declining-middle-class-is-killing-golf/
lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)God knows we get enough sun that solar would be ideal.
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Now, if we could only get SoCal to cover the swimming pools .
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)were covered with solar. Hmmmm..
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)KamaAina
(78,249 posts)But, natch, they're thinking of selling the land to greedy developers.
http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_28941276/san-jose-weighs-closing-a-golf-course-to-stem-financial-losses
San Jose built the two courses, Rancho del Pueblo and Los Lagos, early last decade amid bullish predictions about the sport's growth. But they've never earned enough to cover operating and debt costs, draining more than $2 million from the city each year to subsidize them....
That means City Hall is going to have to make some tough decisions about the future of its public golf courses. The auditor's report outlines a few choices: The city could sell a portion of the golf course lands to pay off their debt, reconfigure the land for a soccer, softball or baseball fields, or keep all three courses open and try to reduce annual losses by boosting usage....
This isn't the first time San Jose has tried to rid itself of the money-bleeding golf courses. A 2011 effort to sell part of Rancho del Pueblo and build condos was met with sharp criticism, public outcry and an ugly political fight. But if the city chooses to close a golf course this time around, the auditor suggests a community engagement process.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Oh well.
I think it's brilliant.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Rather than gathering it in these "farms" take take up a lot of square acreage?
Isn't energy and fuel production most efficient when produced as close to where it's consumed as possible?
LuvNewcastle
(16,847 posts)Get it through your head. Energy is a commodity that must be sold and bought and traded.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)Taxed, energy companies pass on billions in taxes to government. Same with the gas tax, there is a perverse incentive for the government not to let people go off the grid or fossil fuel.
Waldorf
(654 posts)States (I'm sure the energy companies have some say in this). It was $20k for the energy I required. In some solar friendly States the same energy requirement was about $5k. If I was younger I might go for it but as of now I probably will be dead before my costs savings equal the investment.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)But shouldn't the panels be as flat as possible for maximum sunlight exposure?
And wouldn't those trees closest to the panels have to be cut down?
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)We've got a ton of roadside ones here in MA along highways and everything is always angled, though part of that is obviously for snow related reasons.
http://www.solarchoice.net.au/blog/flat-solar-panels-vs-tilted
"One other thing to keep in mind if your panels are horizontal is that they will not self-clean as effectively as panels at a tilt dust has a higher chance of accumulating and impeding electricity production. The drop in performance due to dust accumulation on panels is roughly between 5% and 10%. On the other hand, solar panel arrays tilted at an angle even a slight angle are more likely to be washed clean when it rains."
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)and I realized even though they're "flat", they are on the steep incline of the roof, also...
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)of the sun's path, relative to that area, be a factor, along with seasonal variations in the amount of sunny vs cloudy days? Do the solar cells need a more direct "hit"?
7962
(11,841 posts)to get the full day swinging across the panel. There are several different ways to do them, with varying degrees of cost
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Just like leaves on some plants.
The sun in only really directly overhead on the equator. In the winter months it skims the horizon more and more as you reach the solstice. In this hemisphere, it depends on how far north you are as to how low it gets.
Japan's kinda north-ish so the sun will always be to the south a bit.
C'mon.... you remember this from High School science!
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)That Japan would have a more southerly arc, hence the panels would be slanted a bit towards the south for more direct exposure.
I just wasn't sure how the panels worked with the aggregation of cells.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)Can't find much on whether this is a mockup or real. There has to be a better method (not that I like golf). Why not solar panel on *every* roof top?
2naSalit
(86,650 posts)power generation would be the best way to deal with the issue rather than covering vast areas of land. It would also facilitate the end of major power "outages" from storms and other glitches.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You wouldn't be able to trade it as a commodity or tax it at that point. Don't get me wrong, I believe it is what we should be doing.
Codeine
(25,586 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)new ones for several years now. (A problem for a friend who designs them.) Golfing itself has been declining for a number of reasons, including that young people just aren't into it. Some of those courses seemingly "winding through" subdivisions don't actually belong to the subdivision. When the subdivision does own it, economic downturns occur, owners and buyers lose interest, homes don't sell well because of the maintenance costs, and the course becomes a liability.
Anyway, anyone interested in free electricity? I could see both nature preserve and self-sustaining neighborhood surrounding it.
7962
(11,841 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)I dunno... most muni courses in my area (north central Texas) range from $12.00 to $30.00 for a full eighteen holes, and about a dollar a ball give or take (and even a crappy golfer like myself rarely uses more than three). My set of used clubs (4 woods, 4 irons and bag) was a one time cost of $25.00.
Relative to many other weekend experiences (movies, dining, amusement parks, etc.), gold isn't really too expensive.
GummyBearz
(2,931 posts)But it should cost a lot more. There is manipulation going on.
7962
(11,841 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)How are they keeping the growing things around those panels suppressed...it's all brown around the panels...I hope they aren't spraying poison...
??
Codeine
(25,586 posts)haikugal
(6,476 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)If I did that around here, you wouldn't be able to see the panels after June.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)I wonder if those golf courses would better serve if farmed. Japan doesn't have huge amounts of land.
yuiyoshida
(41,832 posts)a good idea.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Codeine
(25,586 posts)Currently that's a photoshop
Initech
(100,081 posts)Just throwing that suggestion out there!