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marble falls

(57,112 posts)
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 06:54 AM Oct 2015

Japan has finally figured out what to do with its abandoned golf courses

Japan has finally figured out what to do with its abandoned golf courses

Ariel Schwartz, provided by
Published 9:14 am, Thursday, July 16, 2015

http://www.chron.com/technology/businessinsider/article/Japan-has-finally-figured-out-what-to-do-with-its-6388551.php
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This is what's happening in Japan, where developers built too many golf courses over the last few decades after demand shot up in the 1980s. Now the industry is in decline, with participation in the sport down 40% from the 1990s, and abandoned golf courses are starting to pop up.

Kyocera's solution: turn the abandoned green space into solar farms. Japan has been hungry for alternative energy ever since the 2011 Fukushima disaster made nuclear power an unattractive option in the country, and golf courses just happen to be perfectly suited for solar power — they're large open spaces that often get lots of sunlight.

The golf course that will be turned into a 23 MW solar farm.

Kyocera's first project, now under construction, is a 23 megawatt solar plant on a golf course in Kyoto prefecture. When it goes live in 2017, the plant will produce enough power for about 8,100 households.

The company is also developing a 92 megawatt solar plant — generating enough energy for over 30,000 households — on an abandoned golf course in Kagoshima prefecture. No word on when that project will go live.

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Japan has finally figured out what to do with its abandoned golf courses (Original Post) marble falls Oct 2015 OP
They could have also let them return to their natural state liberal N proud Oct 2015 #1
Well, I see wilderness. DetlefK Oct 2015 #3
There are solar farms all over the desert. The shade provides a habitat for kinds of critters.... Spitfire of ATJ Oct 2015 #52
Japan is the most forested advanced country in the world. kristopher Oct 2015 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #22
I am pro-solar and alternative energy liberal N proud Oct 2015 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #25
I have been pushing this solution where I work for several years liberal N proud Oct 2015 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2015 #39
Very good point...nt haikugal Oct 2015 #29
This right here, thank you LNP. Unimaginable untapped resource that goes to waste being ChisolmTrailDem Oct 2015 #30
Why don't we have more solar? Two words... icarusxat Oct 2015 #51
Yep liberal N proud Oct 2015 #58
That's my perspective. hunter Oct 2015 #59
Feel the same way Marty McGraw Oct 2015 #50
Golf... hmmmmf. lonestarnot Oct 2015 #2
Yeah. It's in sharp decline here, too, which I consider a great trend. Arugula Latte Oct 2015 #35
Thanks for the links. lonestarnot Oct 2015 #56
Forbes editor must have been asleep at the wheel to let someone get that in. lonestarnot Oct 2015 #57
California, are ya listening? n/t dixiegrrrrl Oct 2015 #5
The hell that would be raised if we did this in Alabama. stonecutter357 Oct 2015 #6
The Robert Trent Jones solar power grid...has a nice ring to it. dixiegrrrrl Oct 2015 #31
Well, one of my clients put panels on a tennis court he never used. NV Whino Oct 2015 #21
Or if all open irrigation canals and waterways passiveporcupine Oct 2015 #53
That should be the top priority in my opinion. NV Whino Oct 2015 #55
We are about to have an abandoned golf course in San Jose. KamaAina Oct 2015 #24
Mr. Boner must be so upset... SoapBox Oct 2015 #7
wouldn't it be more efficient to have each household producing its own energy? KittyWampus Oct 2015 #8
Shhhhhh! LuvNewcastle Oct 2015 #13
The other dirty secret Jesus Malverde Oct 2015 #19
I looked into getting solar for my house. I live in Texas and it was expensive compared to other Waldorf Oct 2015 #34
This is going to be a dumb question... Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #9
I've never seen flat solar panels laid out Blue_Adept Oct 2015 #10
ok...I was thinking about the roof solar panels Blue_Tires Oct 2015 #14
Another dumb question: Would the arc Ilsa Oct 2015 #15
Some systems move with the sun, others face north/south, 7962 Oct 2015 #17
Some systems move with the sun, AlbertCat Oct 2015 #20
That's what had occurred to me: Ilsa Oct 2015 #47
is that a photoshop? Locrian Oct 2015 #11
Yep, point-source 2naSalit Oct 2015 #26
"Why not solar panel on *every* roof top?" NCTraveler Oct 2015 #36
Yeah, that's just a digital image. nt Codeine Oct 2015 #42
Hmmm. The U.S. has been closing more courses than opening Hortensis Oct 2015 #12
Golf costs too damn much. nt 7962 Oct 2015 #18
I dunno... most muni courses in my area (north central Texas) range from $12 to $30 LanternWaste Oct 2015 #28
Gold is pretty expensive GummyBearz Oct 2015 #38
very cool idea! nt 7962 Oct 2015 #16
I like this but I have a question.. haikugal Oct 2015 #27
That's a digital image. nt Codeine Oct 2015 #40
Yeah, I realized that after reading the thread...Thanks Codeine haikugal Oct 2015 #44
I had the same immediate question. bvar22 Oct 2015 #45
Yeah..nature is rampant here as well. haikugal Oct 2015 #46
sugoii! yuiyoshida Oct 2015 #32
Weird. Are the panels elevated so animals can move underneath? Liberal_in_LA Oct 2015 #37
They almost certainly would be. Codeine Oct 2015 #43
Use George Carlin's idea and turn them into homeless shelters! Initech Oct 2015 #41
I guy I know had his first course turned into a hop farm AngryAmish Oct 2015 #48
Now, that's beautiful. nt valerief Oct 2015 #49
Another plus for Solar: It doesn't attract Godzilla nikto Oct 2015 #54

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
1. They could have also let them return to their natural state
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:09 AM
Oct 2015

I am all for alternative energy including solar and this is a great application but they cut down countless trees, cleared forest for fairways. We need those forest as much as we need alternative energy.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
3. Well, I see wilderness.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:22 AM
Oct 2015

How many people will walk among those panels? A dozen technicians once a week on the whole golf-course? That's more than enough time for small game to return.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
52. There are solar farms all over the desert. The shade provides a habitat for kinds of critters....
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:21 PM
Oct 2015

Spiders love them.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
4. Japan is the most forested advanced country in the world.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:29 AM
Oct 2015

Their forestry regime has been in place and extremely effective for over 200 years.

Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
23. I am pro-solar and alternative energy
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:21 PM
Oct 2015

But also pro-wilderness.

I think everyone misses a huge opportunity when it comes to solar. We have parking lots everywhere. When the sun shines, the cars sitting in those parking lots get hot.

Why not cover all our parking lots with solar panels, we get covered parking lots + solar energy.
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Bonus, electric car charging.

Response to liberal N proud (Reply #23)

liberal N proud

(60,336 posts)
33. I have been pushing this solution where I work for several years
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:47 PM
Oct 2015

Cost cutting corporate leadership says it cost too much.

Yet they want to proclaim our product is green because it has a very small amount of recycled content.

Response to liberal N proud (Reply #33)

 

ChisolmTrailDem

(9,463 posts)
30. This right here, thank you LNP. Unimaginable untapped resource that goes to waste being
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:57 PM
Oct 2015

absorbed by concrete and ashpalt and creating localized heat islands in our cities and suburban landscapes. It also, obviously, provides shade for our vehicles, which is nice if you live in a place where it can get blazing hot inside a car.

icarusxat

(403 posts)
51. Why don't we have more solar? Two words...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:47 PM
Oct 2015

Koch Brothers,

Locally there are plenty more. Those who own the land and the resources that should rightfully belong to all of us...they block, and deceive and trick us into buying the lie that renewable energy just isn't feasible...

hunter

(38,317 posts)
59. That's my perspective.
Sat Oct 31, 2015, 01:42 PM
Oct 2015

Put solar over parking lots, factories, toxic waste dumps, and other "developed" and destroyed landscapes.

Restore to nature the golf courses.

I seriously think golf would be a much more interesting game if it coexisted with the natural environment of a place.

18 greens, synthetic if necessary, and very, very, gently managed wilderness in between.

It works for Frisbee golf.

Marty McGraw

(1,024 posts)
50. Feel the same way
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 07:25 PM
Oct 2015

I don't mind the ones out in the arid wastelands of a dessert though. In fact I would think there can be used as a little bit of a respite of the sparse inhabitants.

Also, wouldn't it be cool if truck trailers & transport containers (like the detachable types that go on trucks or rail) be covered in 'em?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
31. The Robert Trent Jones solar power grid...has a nice ring to it.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:16 PM
Oct 2015

God knows we get enough sun that solar would be ideal.

NV Whino

(20,886 posts)
21. Well, one of my clients put panels on a tennis court he never used.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 10:57 AM
Oct 2015

Now, if we could only get SoCal to cover the swimming pools….

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
24. We are about to have an abandoned golf course in San Jose.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:29 PM
Oct 2015

But, natch, they're thinking of selling the land to greedy developers.

http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_28941276/san-jose-weighs-closing-a-golf-course-to-stem-financial-losses

San Jose's two newest golf courses are likely to remain money-losers for years to come, according to a new city audit that cited their high debt costs and the game's fading popularity and suggested selling all or part of one or turning some links into soccer, softball or baseball fields.

San Jose built the two courses, Rancho del Pueblo and Los Lagos, early last decade amid bullish predictions about the sport's growth. But they've never earned enough to cover operating and debt costs, draining more than $2 million from the city each year to subsidize them....

That means City Hall is going to have to make some tough decisions about the future of its public golf courses. The auditor's report outlines a few choices: The city could sell a portion of the golf course lands to pay off their debt, reconfigure the land for a soccer, softball or baseball fields, or keep all three courses open and try to reduce annual losses by boosting usage....

This isn't the first time San Jose has tried to rid itself of the money-bleeding golf courses. A 2011 effort to sell part of Rancho del Pueblo and build condos was met with sharp criticism, public outcry and an ugly political fight. But if the city chooses to close a golf course this time around, the auditor suggests a community engagement process.
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
8. wouldn't it be more efficient to have each household producing its own energy?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:25 AM
Oct 2015

Rather than gathering it in these "farms" take take up a lot of square acreage?

Isn't energy and fuel production most efficient when produced as close to where it's consumed as possible?

Jesus Malverde

(10,274 posts)
19. The other dirty secret
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:36 AM
Oct 2015

Taxed, energy companies pass on billions in taxes to government. Same with the gas tax, there is a perverse incentive for the government not to let people go off the grid or fossil fuel.

Waldorf

(654 posts)
34. I looked into getting solar for my house. I live in Texas and it was expensive compared to other
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 01:50 PM
Oct 2015

States (I'm sure the energy companies have some say in this). It was $20k for the energy I required. In some solar friendly States the same energy requirement was about $5k. If I was younger I might go for it but as of now I probably will be dead before my costs savings equal the investment.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
9. This is going to be a dumb question...
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:28 AM
Oct 2015

But shouldn't the panels be as flat as possible for maximum sunlight exposure?

And wouldn't those trees closest to the panels have to be cut down?

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
10. I've never seen flat solar panels laid out
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:34 AM
Oct 2015

We've got a ton of roadside ones here in MA along highways and everything is always angled, though part of that is obviously for snow related reasons.

http://www.solarchoice.net.au/blog/flat-solar-panels-vs-tilted

"One other thing to keep in mind if your panels are horizontal is that they will not self-clean as effectively as panels at a tilt – dust has a higher chance of accumulating and impeding electricity production. The drop in performance due to dust accumulation on panels is roughly between 5% and 10%. On the other hand, solar panel arrays tilted at an angle – even a slight angle – are more likely to be washed clean when it rains."

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
14. ok...I was thinking about the roof solar panels
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:03 AM
Oct 2015

and I realized even though they're "flat", they are on the steep incline of the roof, also...

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
15. Another dumb question: Would the arc
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:03 AM
Oct 2015

of the sun's path, relative to that area, be a factor, along with seasonal variations in the amount of sunny vs cloudy days? Do the solar cells need a more direct "hit"?

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
17. Some systems move with the sun, others face north/south,
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:28 AM
Oct 2015

to get the full day swinging across the panel. There are several different ways to do them, with varying degrees of cost

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
20. Some systems move with the sun,
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 09:57 AM
Oct 2015

Just like leaves on some plants.

The sun in only really directly overhead on the equator. In the winter months it skims the horizon more and more as you reach the solstice. In this hemisphere, it depends on how far north you are as to how low it gets.

Japan's kinda north-ish so the sun will always be to the south a bit.


C'mon.... you remember this from High School science!

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
47. That's what had occurred to me:
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 04:46 PM
Oct 2015

That Japan would have a more southerly arc, hence the panels would be slanted a bit towards the south for more direct exposure.

I just wasn't sure how the panels worked with the aggregation of cells.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
11. is that a photoshop?
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:38 AM
Oct 2015

Can't find much on whether this is a mockup or real. There has to be a better method (not that I like golf). Why not solar panel on *every* roof top?

2naSalit

(86,650 posts)
26. Yep, point-source
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:39 PM
Oct 2015

power generation would be the best way to deal with the issue rather than covering vast areas of land. It would also facilitate the end of major power "outages" from storms and other glitches.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
36. "Why not solar panel on *every* roof top?"
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:29 PM
Oct 2015

You wouldn't be able to trade it as a commodity or tax it at that point. Don't get me wrong, I believe it is what we should be doing.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Hmmm. The U.S. has been closing more courses than opening
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 08:39 AM
Oct 2015

new ones for several years now. (A problem for a friend who designs them.) Golfing itself has been declining for a number of reasons, including that young people just aren't into it. Some of those courses seemingly "winding through" subdivisions don't actually belong to the subdivision. When the subdivision does own it, economic downturns occur, owners and buyers lose interest, homes don't sell well because of the maintenance costs, and the course becomes a liability.

Anyway, anyone interested in free electricity? I could see both nature preserve and self-sustaining neighborhood surrounding it.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
28. I dunno... most muni courses in my area (north central Texas) range from $12 to $30
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:50 PM
Oct 2015

I dunno... most muni courses in my area (north central Texas) range from $12.00 to $30.00 for a full eighteen holes, and about a dollar a ball give or take (and even a crappy golfer like myself rarely uses more than three). My set of used clubs (4 woods, 4 irons and bag) was a one time cost of $25.00.

Relative to many other weekend experiences (movies, dining, amusement parks, etc.), gold isn't really too expensive.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
27. I like this but I have a question..
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 12:47 PM
Oct 2015

How are they keeping the growing things around those panels suppressed...it's all brown around the panels...I hope they aren't spraying poison...

??

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
45. I had the same immediate question.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 04:08 PM
Oct 2015

If I did that around here, you wouldn't be able to see the panels after June.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
46. Yeah..nature is rampant here as well.
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 04:44 PM
Oct 2015

I wonder if those golf courses would better serve if farmed. Japan doesn't have huge amounts of land.

Initech

(100,081 posts)
41. Use George Carlin's idea and turn them into homeless shelters!
Fri Oct 30, 2015, 02:53 PM
Oct 2015

Just throwing that suggestion out there!

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