OK. the problem withmy computer is Windows 10! Computer guy nailed it!

[CTyankee]

Windows just arrogantly decided that I needed Windows 10 and gave me no choice and just started it with me. That is why I was so bewildered and thought it was Mozilla Firefox, but it wasn't.

Goddamn Windows!

Anyway, it's gone and my Windows 7 is restored! Hallelujah! But I'm out a few bucks for my computer guy to come and get it and figure it out and bring it back to me.

Now I know what all the bitching about Windows versions is about on GD...I used to wonder what the fuss was about. Now I know.

I am humbled, folks.

[Throd]

1. I'm in the market for a new system and all the quotes I got specify Windows 7.

[CTyankee]

3. It appears to be the best one of recent time. Computer guy recited the woes of all the

Windows programs after 7. Disasters!

Arrogant bastards just decided we needed Windows 10 and just went ahead and gave us NO option to say "no, thanks."

Thank you Bill Gates...

[cui bono]

29. You can decline the update.

You have to have your options set for it to not download and install updates automatically. I always choose which ones and Windows 10 has been sitting there rejected for a long time now.

Reminds me, I better check my mom's system to make sure it doesn't auto update.

[CTyankee]

76. Maybe I did but I don't think so. But I could have been thinking "If I don't, I'll be in trouble."

And it seemed so smooth and seamless. But then it got ugly...I got confused, didn't know what the hell was going on. What a mess....

check out your mom's system, tho. Just in case she's knows what's going on...

[cui bono]

77. She happened to have an issue last night so I got on remotely.

Windows 10 had tried to install on her system about 10 times and failed. Glad it did. I changed her update settings to manual.

Phew!

[lunamagica]

2. I hate windows 8.1 with a passion

Want my windows 7 back!

[CTyankee]

4. It cost me a few bucks, but my computer guy got it back and also cleaned the computer.

Glad to give him the business locally, tho. And his input was invaluable. We're OK.

[JPZenger]

8. There is a free program that makes 8.1 look like 7

[lunamagica]

17. Classic Shell?

I have it.

The only way I can use this computer

[JPZenger]

67. Yes, that is it.

I like it so much I should donate to it.

[ileus]

15. 8.1....worse than vista or me.

Upgraded my daughters laptop to 10 last week...better but not as good as 7 IMHO.

[chillfactor]

26. I have Windows 8.2....

and I have never had a problem with it...very easy for me to use.

[1939]

5. How long before Microsquish

orphans Windows 7 and you can't get any drivers or updates for it?

[CTyankee]

7. I asked my computer guy that. He said it could happen but our use on the computer is

pretty mild so he doesn't see that happening any time soon.

Yeah, it's a worry but a minor one for me. We don't do a LOT of stuff on the computer...

[INdemo]

6. Go back Go back to 7 or 8

Most on line banking is not set for 10
There is a pretty easy way to return to your
Former widows especially if have the back up CD you should have gotten when you purchased your PC

[CTyankee]

9. yeah, but that was a gazillion years ago. we need help. we are seniors and computer clueless...

[INdemo]

32. Ok computer techs

Can you help CTyankee?

[CTyankee]

47. thanks. I now have it back but had to depend on my tech guy and pay him but

it wasn't very much. And he's right in my neighborhood and a nice guy.

Now I know why DUers have been complaining so much about Windows 10, not realizing that it would be foisted upon me without a way for me to opt out...

[Agnosticsherbet]

10. Windows 7 is best. I refuse to take the free upgradeto10.

Windows 8.1 is a terrible system.

[PADemD]

11. How did Windows 10 update on your computer wthout your permission?

I have Windows 7 and do not want to update to Windows 10.

[Frustratedlady]

13. I am glad to see the comments on Windows 7. I've been ignoring the request to update to 10,

as I was afraid it would be the end of W7, so Thank You! to everyone who replied. You just made my decision for me.

[2naSalit]

30. Same here.

The prompt to update has been sitting there until I could find some info on the 10 version. I'll be declining the prompt myself.

And thank you DUers for giving us the info!!

[LiberalElite]

65. Me too. It reminds me every day to no avail nt

[CTyankee]

48. I didn't see a "no, thanks" or an opt out button. But perhaps I thought this would be just normal

but it was insane. totally ugly too.

my tech guy said it might have interrupted the sound, too.

Great job, windows...

[MohRokTah]

12. I LOVE Windows 10!!!

It's the best version of Windows yet, IMO.

[Egnever]

19. Yup

Amazing how people cling to their old ways. There are still people that refuse to move on from xp despite the fact 7 was superior in every single way. It will likely be the same 5 years from now there will still be people clinging to 7 even though 10 is far superior.

[MattBaggins]

27. You can have my OS/2 when you pry it..... zzzzzzzz

[MohRokTah]

37. Microsoft will never allow XP to happen again.

Windows 7 mainstream support under Service Pack 1 already ended:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/lifecycle

Next stop will be Software through subscription, which is the best model any way. Ongoing support and upgrades are built into the subscription. They've already done this for Office and it's fine, IMO, just a bit different.

Prior methods of software delivery gave the false impression that you actually owned the applications. I'm glad this is ending because nobody ever owned software, it was always licensed.

[Warpy]

38. I still keep an XP box around for the stuff that wouldn't run on 7

I did upgrade this machine to 10 and had no problems until the first update, which reset everything and not for the better and took a couple of hours of cursing Gates's existence. My laptop will keep 7.

[beevul]

40. 10 is far superior?

I could see that perspective from the touchscreen wielding folks, but in general?

I very much disagree.

[tblue37]

73. I much prefer XP. I had XP at home and 7 in the office.

I don't like 7 at all.

[Egnever]

74. To each his own I guess

Some folks don't do change well.

Having said that from an average.end user experience they are barely different.

[Logical]

41. I agree. Not sure what people don't like about it. nt

[Oneironaut]

59. At its time, XP was far superior imo

Very business friendly and all around useful. I don't think we'll see a gem like that from Microsoft ever again. A lot of businesses used XP right down until its support ended because it was so useful.

I like Windows 7 almost as much. They got a lot right with that one too.

The Windows UI is bloated garbage now, but Windows 10 is definitely a step in the right direction.

[MohRokTah]

61. Windows 10 has it all down on performance.

XP was a dog compared to Windows 10.

Upgraded the laptop I am currently typing on and got an immediate 25% performance boost. I had problems with Windows 8.1 before the upgrade and not a single problem since.

[lumberjack_jeff]

70. Agree. n/t

[Blue_In_AK]

14. My computer tech guy is not impressed with 10, either.

He advised me not to accept the upgrade from 7.

[lpbk2713]

16. I'll be using Win 7 until they tear it from my cold dead hands.

I do manual updates on just about everything; Wins, browsers, A/V, flash etc.

It only took one bad automatic update to teach me to do it that way.

[Egnever]

18. Ludites unite!

LOL.

Threads like these crack me up.

[tishaLA]

20. Hmmm. Firefox has been driving me batty....maybe it's Win 10 for me, too

although I have to say overall I'm very happy with Win 10. I'm even looking forward to buying the new Lumia 950 Windows phone when it comes out in a couple weeks.

[Egnever]

21. Honestly sounds like the computer guy didn't know how to fix it

And blamed 10 . Which of course is what you wanted to hear.

Nothing wrong with 7 it is a solid OS. 10 is superior though especially for novice users that typically don't keep up with security patches and other updates.

The biggest trouble 10 has right now in my opinion is the upgrade path. It can introduce bugs when upgrading from another OS but when it is done through a clean install it is every bit as solid as 7 and much more secure.

Hopefully your computer guy saved your data and updated 7 for you . If not you should definitely ensure all the windows updates are completed.

[Cassiopeia]

24. Sounds about right.

I upgraded form 8.1 about a month ago. Haven't had any problems with it at all.

Upgrade went smoothly for me.

[hobbit709]

51. M$ definition of critical update and mine are not the same.

[Egnever]

52. Perhaps

But you aren't a novice user either.

[Revanchist]

22. I have 7 on main and 10 on laptop

So far, 10 is better than 8 but I haven't had the opportunity to fully check it out yet.

[edhopper]

23. I upgraded to 10 a few weeks ago

I found it a better OS than 7, which I thought was very good.

[Waldorf]

25. I still have their little logo in the bottom right of the screen telling me about getting Windows 10

for free. I'm staying with 7 for now. My son upgraded and likes it (so far).

[hobbit709]

55. You can get rid of that sucker.

Find KB3035583 in installed updates and uninstall it.
Then go to Windows Update when it wants to install it again and right click on it and Hide update. It won't bother you again.

[Waldorf]

71. Thanks for the info. n/t

[Rex]

28. I am glad to hear it was fixed, now it makes a lot more sense.

Win 8, 8.1 and 10 are to be AVOIDED AT ALL COST. Sure they work for some people, others have been having total nightmares and Win 8 is simply a broken copy of 10.

[RiverLover]

31. I upgraded to Windows 10 about a month ago - I love it.

It was a smooth upgrade ( & I was sure to skip express settings & did custom to make sure I had a modicum of privacy).

I'm sorry something went wrong for CTY, but I love Windows 10. Which is good because its the last windows version they on plan on, ever. From now on, Microsoft will just issue updates on Windows 10.

[still_one]

34. I agree, they did a good job on Windows 10. In a way it was what Windows 7 was to Vista, as

Windows 10 was to windows 8.

10 is solid operating system, and the vast majority of users agree

[Rex]

35. I have it on one of my computers, never given me a lick of problems.

A friend of mine that has almost the exact same build as this one, just had to reformat after 10 kept trying to run 'systen fix' due to a starting error. It got stuck in some kind of loop (that I've seen Win 8 do over and over) and even after trying over 5 system restores nothing worked. It would just go back to that screen.

I say hold on to Win 7 for as long as possible of you that are hooked on it like old XP users were hooked on XP. If you get 10 and it worked great...then you are in the clear.

CTY must have had 10 push off onto the system. The GUI is browserish.

[still_one]

33. The problem is you must have automatic updates set, and Microsoft automatically pushed the windows

10 update to your computer. You can change your settings accordingly so it doesn't automatically push updates without your permission, or you can choose which updates to install.

Microsoft incorporated into Windows 10 a one click feature to return to your previous operating system which is nice.

I agree with you they never should of included Windows 10 as part of the automatic update.

Actually, Windows 10 is actually quite well done, and most people are using it without issue. Windows 8 was a disaster, and Microsoft as much admired that.

The problem is many folks do not like too many changes. I am an MSDN developer, and I am used to change, but the typical user is not

[beevul]

36. Stick with 7 64 bit, and dont upgrade it.

Beyond 7 so far its all junk.

[Logical]

42. Disagree, 10 is fine and better. But some people love old school. nt

[beevul]

46. "Fine and better" for whom, and for what?

I have yet to see a 10 system that was worth a shit for gaming, for example. Email, social media and youtube? Sure. Waste of power time and resources IMO, but each to their own.

Meanwhile, I run 16 game instances of one MMO I play, playing 16 copies of the same game at once with a different character on each...on a stout 7/64 4.5ghz gaming/home theater rig.

All I've experienced with 10 so far is bloat, sluggishness, and frustration each and every time I touch a PC with it, with very few exceptions (count them on one hand with fingers left over "few&quot . On the other hand, 7 runs anything and everything I throw at it in multiples. A typical session for me, is this:

1 or 2 open DU pages, 2 nautical pages, 12-16 game instances, one page with google up, and regularly a blu ray/other movie in a window in one corner of my screen. On occasion, MAME or other emulators like the neogeo emulator or the cps2 arcade machine emulators on top of those...not that the emulators take much resources...but you get the point.

Not to mention the touch screen thing. I don't desire a cell phone with a big screen. I desire a machine that does exactly what I want, when I want, at the speed I want it done at or faster (sometime yesterday would be perfect). I run on a 49 inch led lcd hdtv (My wife jokingly refers to it as the "bat computer&quot , and anyone who might try to touch the screen would get their hand slapped.

I've been basically attached at the hip to one PC or another since the day dad brought home a commodore 64 and a stack of TPUG/Byte magazines in the 80s. Thats old school, not 7.

[Aerows]

72. Once game developers take advantage of DX12

things will get better, I think. Although I honestly believe the Vulkan API will be superior going forward, since it will be platform independent, and include the relevant aspects of DX12.

DX12 is Windows 10 only. I have not seen anything compelling enough to migrate thus far. I don't have DX12 hardware, either, so it isn't exactly a priority yet.

[DustyJoe]

39. tried it

I upgraded to 10 on my laptop a few months ago, have no problem trying new OS's.
It ran fine, but I noticed startup and shutdown taking longer and longer.
Ran all the cleanup routines before shutting down, but the time kept growing longer.

Finally gave up and restored back to 7. Sadly though cause I found features in 10
that were really usable, but anything that slows down progressively for no reason
I won't use. I was in IT for over 25 years and have no problem trying upgrades, if they actually help.

[LuvLoogie]

43. The Edge browser us annoying.

System settings and control panels are messed up. WiFi troubleshooting is a pain in the ass. 10 will break printer drivers too.

If you are supporting windows systems in the enterprise or academic setting, do not migrate/upgrade.

Best to start with fresh installation in a small uncritical department and test everything live for a year.

[frylock]

44. I have a new Dell 8700 XPS due to arrive tomorrow. .

Normally, I'd blow out the OEM operating system (Windows 8.1 in this instance blech) and install Windows 7, but I'm going to try Windows 10.

[hobbit709]

56. this sums it up.

[frylock]

75. Ha!

System just arrived, and I'm going in! If Windows 10 won't run my racing simulators, I'll blow it out and go back to Windows 7.

[BigDemVoter]

45. What kinds of problems were you having?

Mine has been freezing up constantly, requiring a reboot, and it's driving me crazy. I strongly suspect Windows 10 is the culprit.

[CTyankee]

49. I couldn't get anything to work right for me the way I am used to. I don't know the

technical issues involved. They are beyond me...

[hobbit709]

50. Windows 10 takes the worst parts of Vista and 8/8.1 and adds new "features"

[CTyankee]

53. Don't know anything about that but it sure is a frankenstein's monster of Windows...

a nightmare, IMO...

[DetlefK]

54. Old computer-games (~5-10 years) no longer work on Windows 10.

They worked fine on Win7.

But REALLY old games with simple code (Win98-era and older) seem fine.

[CTyankee]

57. We don't use computer games so it is of no consequence to us.

When I realized I would have a real problem with my Friday art essays I was totally demoralized. The sound not working was crazy and we didn't have the usual sound level controls to even TRY to deal with it. And we tried everything we knew to do before calling for outside help.

The techie said that Windows 7 should support us because we don't use photo imaging stuff that much. I explained to him my system for posting art work every other Friday (upload and download) along with my word processing Documents file he said we should be fine. I was concerned that the day would come when Windows 7 would no longer be supported but he thinks our use just isn't that complicated for us to worry.

Good to know...

[exboyfil]

58. Had a Windows 10 computer for a day

I followed the directions to the letter to create a thumb drive system restore. It was unsuccessful (tried three times with two different thumb drives). I got on the Microsoft help board and saw a bunch of people had the same problem with at least two other manufacturers. Normally on these boards a Microsoft representative comes on and explains what to do. Silence. Some hackers found a half page long procedure for bypassing the problem. Life is too short to go through this effort for something so simple. I promptly boxed the computer up and sent it back for a refund.

I am going to try to get a refurbished Windows 7 machine if my main laptop dies. I was having problems with it so that is why I purchased the new computer, but it appears to be working better now.

[B Calm]

60. I will stay with my Windows 7 until web designers make it impossible

to surf the web.

[ryan_cats]

62. Thou

Thou shalt not take the operating system's name in vain.

[olddots]

63. progress doesn't nessessaraly always go forward .

[ornotna]

64. I installed it weeks ago

And within 24 hours restored my system back to 7 pro. Not a fan of 10.

[Faux pas]

66. I had the same problem, it tried to keep

downloading and I kept stopping it. Went all the 'help' sites to see what secrets they might have, no help. I spent two days trying to outsmart the damned thing and finally beat it! What I finally did was 'hide' it on the download menu, closed the menu, reopened it and TAH DA, it was gone. Two days I'll never get back, but, no windows 10 either.

[LiberalElite]

68. I just posted this article from Computerworld.com about Microsoft "getting pushy" about Windows 10

http://www.computerworld.com/article/2999548/microsoft-windows/microsoft-to-get-pushy-about-upgrading-to-windows-10.html

-snip-
Come the beginning of 2016, Microsoft will get much more assertive in distributing Windows 10 upgrades to consumers and small businesses, the company's top OS executive said Thursday.

Rather than wait for customers running Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 to request a copy of the new OS -- the practice since June -- Microsoft will instead begin to automatically send the upgrade to PCs via Windows Update, the default security maintenance service.

The push -- which some will see as too pushy by far -- will be a two-step process, with the first kicking in this year, the second in early 2016
-snip-

[KamaAina]

69. Soon to be the problem with everyone's computer.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027302162