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Paul Ryan Wants to Shut Down the Government, PermanentlyPosted: 10/26/2015 8:01 pm EDT Updated: 10/26/2015 8:59 pm EDT
In addition to wanting to privatize both Social Security and Medicare, Ryan has indicated that he essentially wants to shut down the federal government in the sense of taking away all of the money for the non-military portion of the budget.
Ryan has indicated that he does not want to see the military budget cut to any substantial degree. That leaves no money for the Food and Drug Administration, the National Institutes of Health, The Justice Department, infrastructure spending or anything else. Following Ryan's plan, in 35 years we would have nothing left over after paying for the military.
So what percent of people in this country know that the next Speaker of the House would like to permanently shut down most of the government? What percent even of elite, educated, policy types even know this fact? My guess is almost no one.....
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/paul-ryan-wants-to-shut-d_b_8395344.html
This POS traitor is your new Speaker of the House!
Just so everyone understands, the republicans want to totally destroy all government functions except the money hungry MIC of course.
ALL OF IT! And here we waste billions trying to defend this country against foreign terrorists that are bent on our destruction when its the REPUBLICAN PARTY that is by far the biggest threat to all americans that aren't in the top 1%!
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Oh my
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)The man who supported the banker bailout now wants to shut the govt down. If he shuts down the govt because he doesn't want to pay for non military spending, how he is going to bailout his friends on wall street next time there is a crash?
The truth is that Paul Ryan is not as radical as some people make him out to be, from my impression of him, he seems to be a very mainstream, very pragmatic kind of person unlike some of the tea party guys. He may want to fund more military spending than domestic spending, but he doesn't want to shut the govt down.
Madmiddle
(459 posts)Ryan is a liar and a cheat. Nothing he says or does is good for this country.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)You can still shower a lot of support to MIC, wall street, the banks without ever shutting down the govt. I don't know what makes you think that he would risk everything just to cut welfare spending. This is not how people like Paul Ryan work. They would cut a little in domestic spending while increase military and tax cuts for the rich, but they would not jeopardize the whole system just to cut welfare.
Sorry but I don't believe for a second that his desire is to shut govt down. He is a mainstream republican and his side is the one at war with the more extreme wing of the republican party. You know, the wingers who are more likely to want to shut down the govt.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)He wants to kill it . Kill it. Kill it. Bury it. Bury it.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)politicians every once in a while try to play up to their crazy base? They don't actually mean it when they say they want to cut everything. You really think any republican could win an election if they seriously ran on shutting medicare and SS tomorrow? the same goes for welfare spending. You think companies like Walmart and McDonald's would sit idly by while the govt subsidy for their workers is removed?
They may say they want to cut and shutdown everything but everybody knows that they are not serious about it.
HelenWheels
(2,284 posts)I apologize. He is bad news from start to finish.
murielm99
(30,745 posts)And here I thought it was bad in Illinois.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... just what is it the defense budget is defending?
-none
(1,884 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)eom
WaitWut
(71 posts)eom
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Thespian2
(2,741 posts)the right of the 1% to continue its enslavement of the 99%...If anyone didn't know the evilness of the GodOffalParty, the election of Ryan should make their criminal natures even more obvious...
Historic NY
(37,451 posts)DFW
(54,414 posts)Shut down the offices of all Republican members of the House and Senate, and deny them access to the Capitol building, so that they can no longer participate in our government. Fire their staffs (see? we're saving money already!)
That way, they get to do what they want, and the Democrats who still think government serves a purpose can get on with making themselves useful by fulfilling that purpose.
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)Complete with a military junta.
Facility Inspector
(615 posts)that train has sailed
Fritz Walter
(4,291 posts)Perhaps I should have said "... Complete the transition to..."
phantom power
(25,966 posts)You gotta have that. The rest of that other stuff don't signify.
w0nderer
(1,937 posts)let's start with
congress and senate pension, pay and health/dental/vision programs
then continue
with their perks (Secret service, transport, offices)
freebrew
(1,917 posts)to be a real nation, we need an army and a beer.
Wasn't it Zappa said that or something like it?
Paul Ryan: Tea Party Dumbass(oh yeah, he's the smart one).
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)would it be too much trouble for you to read the article before you spout off?
You demonstrate that you don't know a thing about it.
Dear Baker checked his numbers and facts carefully, and has a sterling reputation
for getting things right.
And you expect us to take your word for it against that of Dean?
I don't THINK so.
BTW, Dean's "Beat the Press" blog is well worth reading.
jamzrockz
(1,333 posts)Yes, I didn't read the whole post just the portion posted in the OP, but I know Paul Ryan and the kind of republican he is and I can assure you that he is not at all interested in shutting down the govt (whole or part of it) because of differences in military spending. He is no Ted Cruz or liberty caucus type.
He is the type that always finds a way to create a bipartisan deal that avoids a shutdown. Bookmark this thread and if Paul Ryan is ever found to be responsible for a govt shutdown, I will donate $500 to a charity of your choosing and make a public apology for being wrong. He is not that type of republican, even when he threatens to shutdown the govt, it is a bluff to get the democrats to capitulate.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)Thank you for the straight response.
I'd like to continue to have such frank discussions. No problem with sharp
disagreements.
The point about Ryan is primarily that his budget numbers really do not
add up, and he does not care. He is a fiscal and monetary fraud of the
highest order.
Baker is by no means the only one to check Ryan's numbers and find them
out there is fantasy land. Krugman did too.
I'd strongly urge you to read the critics before you make up your mind on Ryan.
And seriously, Baker is well worth reading on a number of issues. He was
one of the few who called the financial meltdown.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)But of course the spineless, brainless media won't press him on it..they'll just let him get away with pandering to the tea party whackos, while he's got a fence post jammed up his ass from so much straddling. If we had a real media, here are just a few of hundreds of questions they could ask:
How exactly would he propose collecting money for the military with no Treasury Department?
Does he propose dissolving the State Department, and having no embassies, no ambassadors and no foreign relations other than dropping bombs?
Does he propose ending all intelligence gathering and anti-terrorist functions that don't involve the military (FBI, CIA, NSA, etc).
Does he propose stopping all investigation and prosecution of federal crimes, and releasing everyone housed in federal pententiaries, once the Justice Department is shut down?
MADem
(135,425 posts)He's used to that. He's a TAKER....living off us taxpaying MAKERS, wouldn't you say?
Isn't that how he got through life, pretty much?
I think it's time we REVISIT AN ISSUE HERE:
http://www.salon.com/2012/08/12/paul_ryan_randian_poseur/
Paul Ryan: Randian poseur
Mitt Romney couldn't have chosen a better example of the fakery at the heart of today's GOP
Ironically, Ryan came to national attention trying to dismantle the very program that helped him go to the college of his choice, pushing an even more radical version of President Bushs Social Security privatization plan, which failed. He has since become the scourge of the welfare state, a man wholly supported by government who preaches against the evils of government support. He could be the poster boy for President Obamas supposedly controversial oration about how we all owe our success to some combination of our own hard work, family backing and government support. Lets say it together: You didnt build that career by yourself, Congressman Ryan.
Thus Paul Ryan represents the fakery at the heart of the Republican project today. It starts with the contradiction that Mr. Free Enterprise has spent his life in the bosom of government, enjoying the added protection of wingnut welfare benefactors like the Koch brothers. If Herman Cain is Charles and David Kochs brother from another mother, as he famously joked, Ryan is the fourth Koch, swaddled in support from Americans for Prosperity and other Koch fronts. The man who wants to make the world safe for swashbuckling, risk-taking capitalists hasnt spent a day at economic risk in his entire life.
The other component of GOP fakery Ryan exemplifies is the notion that a pampered scion of a construction empire who has spent his life supported by government somehow represents the white working class, by virtue of the demographics of his gradually gerrymandered blue collar district. I write about this in my book: guys like Ryan (and his Irish Catholic GOP confrere Pat Buchanan) somehow become the political face of the white working class when they never spent a day in that class in their life. Their only tether to it is their remarkable ability to tap into the economic anxiety of working class whites and steer it toward paranoia that their troubles are the fault of other people the slackers and the moochers, Ayn Rands famous parasites. Since the 60s, those parasites are most frequently understood to be African American or Latino but theyre always understood to be the lesser-than folks, morally, intellectually and genetically weaker than the rest of us.
Today, though, the parasites Republicans rail against also happen to be white. Ryans intellectual soulmate Charles Murray, of course, has shown that the struggling white working class is now besieged by the same bad morals that dragged down African Americans laziness, promiscuity and a preference for welfare over work. Ryan himself rails against the takers who are living off the makers. And while in the realm of dog whistle politics, many Republicans hope working class whites still see the takers as other, in fact, Ryans definition of taker includes much of the GOP base. Its up to Democrats to make that plain to the electorate......
When this guy becomes Speaker, shit is gonna get UGLY. Watch him ignore the fact that he's gotten a government check all his life, as he tries to take government checks from people who really need them.
valerief
(53,235 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)ISIS could take lessons on how to destroy the american government and its citizens from the damned republicans!
randys1
(16,286 posts)because they dont realize every facet of their lives depends on the government and that without the government running interference, not one of them would have a pot to piss in.
To them, this is not only not treason, this is the highest to achieve to in government service.
Do they need to experience this no government world long enough to learn their lesson?
Me thinks so
Here, by the way, is what we are up against, this was actually said by an American adult , well a teapartier but alleged adult, etc misspelling and all
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)brainwashing that's based on tribalism and racial fears works.
Hitler knew it and so does fox news and the republican party.
Teagan
(62 posts)and Ryan paying America back all the billions he has stolen along with his Republicans. Starting with the DoD embezzlers.. I mean contractors..
niyad
(113,440 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Nobody could be this stupid.
niyad
(113,440 posts)pansypoo53219
(20,981 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)Without their gerrymandered districts, they would not be in office. Period. Sounds like they want to all be out of work.
Fine with me! Go for it!
DOoooooo it!
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)which is and always has been a huge die-off of the useless eaters - IOW anyone not a plutocrat or direct servant of a plutocrat such as those needed to keep the banks functioning for purposes of thievery or lawyer who works for a firm that protects the plutocracy - without going to the expense of building concentration camps. Mass death on the cheap that doesn't cut into profits.
And the militarized kkkops can force the survivors to carry off and bury the bodies. At gunpoint.
Capitalism inevitably degenerates into fascism.
Twas ever thus.