STILLWATER, OK: 3 dead as car plows into crowd at football game parade in Stillwater, OK...

[ChisolmTrailDem]

...27 air-lifted to nearby hospitals and 8 currently in critical condition.

According to CNN affiliate KJRH, a speeding car careened into a crowd of people watching a homecoming parade for the Oklahoma State Cowboys.

Developing story...

Link: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/24/us/oklahoma-car-into-crowd/index.html

Ex Lurker in post #5 says that there has been a DUI arrest. CNN confirms Adacia Chambers, a 25yo female, is currently in custody in Stillwater.

VIDEO of response: http://www.newson6.com/story/30340500/injuries-reported-at-osu-homecoming-parade

[cantbeserious]

1. Sad Tragedy - Preventable - It Were Not For The American Religion - Called Football

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[Android3.14]

2. What?

Sure, and the Boston Marathon bombing was preventable - It were not for the American religion called running.

[cantbeserious]

7. Yes Exactly - A Spectator Nation - With These Tragedies Just Waiting To Happen

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[Cal Carpenter]

50. It would be better if we all just stayed at home and never congregated

in large groups. That way we can only be picked off one by one...

[trumad]

61. Dumbest post of the year---and there's been plenty.

[treestar]

66. +1

[onenote]

73. the year? Maybe the decade.

[Initech]

92. I have been a member here since 2005.

I have never seen anything this stupid, ever.

[Initech]

64. Plenty of events have happened without tragedy. What is your point?

We should all stay at home and not go out in public?

[kentauros]

80. Well then, I guess we better not do

music festivals, parades, or holiday festivals because they're all "tragedies just waiting to happen"

Perhaps the better course of action would be to just not take you seriously, per your user name?

[Laura PourMeADrink]

103. Political rallies, memorials, funerals, voting lines, crowds rushing to work...nt

[Raine1967]

89. Please, you can't be serious.

You are actually blaming this on our entire Nation?

People like to celebrate — this parade was a coming together of a community.

[Turbineguy]

104. I suspect some clever teabagger

(did we know there was such a thing?) hacked into your DU account.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

20. Yes. If only people's feet were amputated at birth,

the bombings never would have happened.

I blame America.

* Please don't make me add the "sarcasm" tag. I am as baffled as anyone at cantbeserious's posts. Neighbor's kid hijacking the wifi?

[CBGLuthier]

3. What a ridiculously ignorant and insensitive thing to say.

eom.

[cantbeserious]

8. Tragedy Recognized Fully - Tragedy Preventable Fully

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[onenote]

74. preventable if we got rid of cars, too

or, if it turns out she was drunk, we reinstated prohibition but really enforced it.

And the Boston Marathon bombing was preventable if only we didn't permit people to have pressure cookers.

You're making quite the name for yourself, and not in a good way.

[CBGLuthier]

91. Prevent alll tragedy by never doing anything

[GGJohn]

94. Your posts on this thread have got to be the stupidest fucking posts

all year.
There's an old saying, it goes something like this:

It's better to keep one's mouth shut and let people think they're a fool rather than open it and prove them right.

Something for you to ponder.

[jberryhill]

4. I don't believe football is the cause of this horrible thing

[cantbeserious]

10. Tragedy Recognized Fully - Tragedy Preventable Fully

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[Comrade Grumpy]

87. I see why you chose that user name. n/t

[malaise]

109. You win the thread

by a distance - horrible tragedy

[11cents]

6. Maybe just pause for a few seconds ....

...before automatically assigning every tragedy that occurs in this country to some uniquely American pathology. People gather in crowds all over the world. People follow sports all over the world. Should both be prevented, in order to avoid "preventable" tragedies?

[cantbeserious]

9. Tragedy Recognized Fully - Tragedy Preventable Fully

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[11cents]

15. A meaningless non-defense of your original post.

Consider the possibility that you were just wrong. It happens to us all.

[cantbeserious]

18. Consider The Possibility That One Is Right - No Football - No Parade - No Deaths

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[Paladin]

22. I believe you are deriving way too much smug self-satisfaction from this tragedy.

Give it a rest.

[cantbeserious]

24. I Believe You Are Impugning My Character - Ad Hominen Attack

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[Paladin]

38. It's Ad Hominem, sport. Not Ad Hominen.

If you're going to take umbrage at something, at least spell it correctly.

And my prior comment stands.

[cantbeserious]

43. Once Again - Ad Hominem Attack - Thank You For The Spelling Correction

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[GGJohn]

95. Not an Ad Hominen Attack,

it can't be, not when it's the truth.

[jberryhill]

25. Yeah, they were asking for it

Probably wearing clothes that makes some drivers just lose control.

[cantbeserious]

27. Now That Is A Twisted Perspective - The Sickness Is A National Worship Of Sports

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[jberryhill]

46. No Gay Pride Parade, No Stabbing:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/30/middleeast/jerusalem-gay-pride-parade-stabbings/index.html

"Repeat attacker stabs 6 at Jerusalem gay pride parade, police say"

The absence of football was apparently of no help in that situation.

[cantbeserious]

47. Different Country - Different Sickness - Nice Try At A Red Herring Diversion

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[jberryhill]

51. I see... the sickness being gay?

Because that was the reason for the gathering.

The relevant sickness here are sociopaths who, as a class, would commit violence against people in a mass gathering.

[mentalsolstice]

65. Can't be serious?

Seriously?

[ripcord]

129. So the way to stop school shooti gs is to do away with school

This poster is simply inane.

[treestar]

67. This could have happened at a fourth of July parade or an Easter Parade

Or any type of Parade whatsoever.

[cherokeeprogressive]

70. So it's actually PARADES that are the problem...

We need to start warning people right fugging NOW!

[treestar]

71. I wouldn't want to be sitting way up there on that turkey!

Looks precarious!

[mythology]

75. And if there was no sun, there would be no life on earth

Ergo we must blow up the sun to prevent this sort of thing. Because if it wasn't football it could have been a movie, or a gathering at a church or a school. The only way to fully ensure that this never happens is to eliminate all forms of life.

And yeah, that would be rather stupid, but it is the only actual way to completely eliminate the chance that life could be cut tragically short.

[Eleanors38]

120. Sounds like a gun-control discussion.

[LiberalElite]

11. uh, you cant be serious -

people should be able to stand outside for any reason without being mowed down by a drunk driver. Seriously,

[cantbeserious]

13. Ad Hominen Attacks - Attacking A DUers User Name

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[LiberalElite]

16. .

You can't be serious.

[cantbeserious]

17. Ad Hominen Attack

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[quickesst]

126. You're losing....

...by about a gazillion to 0. I think the mercy rule is in order.

[rusty fender]

21. Plus 1

Excellent post in all aspects

Idiots have the gall to cry when their own pun gets repunned

[cantbeserious]

26. Ad Hominen Attack

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[sarisataka]

14. Yes, that's the problem

football. It gets in the way of those drunk drivers.

[cantbeserious]

19. Football Is A Sport - Turned National Spectacle - Turned National Spectator Sickness

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[sarisataka]

30. Then the answer is a simple

Two part solution

1- outlaw sport spectators. People can play but no one is allowed to watch.

2- ban groups of 5 or more people. Without sports people might group for other sick reasons, theater, parades, carnivals, protests, politics, art exhibits, picnics... (I was going to limit groups to less than four but that would force many families to break up. The large group of four is a risk we will have to take)

[Duckhunter935]

49. and ban cars

[sarisataka]

52. reinstate

The 18th Amendment

[Lizzie Poppet]

28. Serious contender for Dumbest Post of the Year.

Sorry, but that was just absurd...and I don't even like (American) football.

[cantbeserious]

29. No Football - No Parade - No Tragedy

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[Lizzie Poppet]

35. Gosh, we'be best ban all public gatherings, then.

Someone might get hurt! They might even be children!! WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?!?

[DrDan]

36. no alcohol - no auto - no tragedy

[treestar]

68. Exactly!

The combo of the first two has long been a problem.

[DrDan]

72. I am just stunned that someone would be that impaired at 10:30 in the morning and attempt to drive

[treestar]

76. so true! maybe stayed up real late last night and

still partying at 5 a.m. and maybe at 10:30 it could still be in her system.

[DrDan]

81. I guess - alcohol and fatique . . . . that would be a deadly combo

we shall see

[MH1]

113. Have you ever known a hard-core alcoholic?

Sadly, it's not surprising at all.

The courts are full of DUI's that occurred at all hours of the day. Sometimes with amazingly high BAC's.

I heard a statistic on some news show that the average DUI arrest occurs at about the 80th (that's EIGHTIETH, eight-zero) time someone has driven drunk.

I don't know what we as a society do about it. Prohibition isn't the answer. Most non-alcoholics and alcoholics in denial will oppose the imposition of a breathalyzer type interlock on all cars, or even on someone's car who has already been convicted once of DUI. It may be just a random type of tragedy that we have to accept, like earthquakes and lightning strikes, while still trying to reduce the casualties.

[Throd]

117. 10;30 am? 10;30 pm? All the same to serious alcoholics.

25 years ago I had a severe drinking problem. Being blitzed at 10:30 in the morning was not unusual.

[quickesst]

127. There is no logic....

...in your logic.

[tularetom]

31. Actually it's because of the American religion called automobiles

It never would have happened if the driver was on foot.

[cantbeserious]

34. No Automobiles - No Tragedy - All Too True - Another Icon Of American Worship

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[cwydro]

44. Yeah right. And if the Wright brothers never got off the ground,

we'd have been safe from 9/11.

[DrDan]

32. you really want to blame this tragedy on football - not alcohol?

there was a DUI arrest, you know

[cantbeserious]

37. Yes - America - Has Become Obsessed With A Game - With Hero Worship - No Game - No Tragedy

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[DrDan]

42. so that is what caused the driver to drink - you cantbeserious

[TransitJohn]

33. LOL!!!!

Fucking spit-take inducing!

More like the American Religion called getting fucked up.

[cantbeserious]

40. Both Equal In Practice - Just Different Versions Of Reality Avoidance

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[cwydro]

41. Uh, what?

Sounds more like the American drug - alcohol.

[JCMach1]

48. Seriously... this is a small college town celebrating itself. Also, huge amounts of alumni come

back for a visit (not even to watch the football game). In fact, it is more of a college celebrating with a football game attached.

[Warpy]

54. You might want to delete that

I have no use for spectator sports, either, especially football. It's like watching paint dry.

However, this is tragic, a drunk got behind the wheel of her car and killed 3 people who only wanted to get out in the sunshine and enjoy they day. After all, they could have been outside a church, an opera, or a Sanders rally. Alcohol convinced her she was Superwoman and could drive better than she did sober and 3 people are dead because of it.

This isn't about football. It's about a drunk kid who killed 3 people and whose life is now also pretty much over because of it.

[elehhhhna]

57. The other Merican religion was the problem ; booze.

[HereSince1628]

62. ya, for some reason I find this very sad

We all heard the warnings about booze as younf people, but many (most?) of us pushed the envelope

Some of us were lucky, but in Stillwater, something near the worst of -ALL- possibilities, comes true.

Completely preventable, no doubt. But, in America almost inevitable.

Very very sad.

[Brickbat]

58. You're being a dick.

[Waldorf]

59. Blaming football? Why not blame the drunk femail driving the car.

[NutmegYankee]

60. It was a Homecoming parade.

That tradition of welcoming back alumni of a school. It wasn't about football. It was a school celebration.

Don't worry though, if you wanted to look like an asshole, you succeeded.

[Initech]

63. Yeah let's blame the victim and not the DUI driver. Great idea!

[cherokeeprogressive]

69. This might actually be the stupidest post I've ever read, and not only have I READ some stupid shit

I've POSTED some stupid shit.

This one though takes the cake and eats it too.

[arcane1]

77. Perfectly said!

Trollin' trollin' trollin'...

[stonecutter357]

110. +1

[Takket]

78. what an asinine post

Those people could have been there for anything. What if it was a gay pride parade? Should we use that as an excuse to ban homosexuals from congregating?

Victim blaming.......... disgusting.

[Texasgal]

88. Oh good LORD!

Are you fucking serious?

[whopis01]

90. No. The parades are the real problem.

Even if football wasn't played, there are still parades for other reasons. They are what need to get banned.

Really having any even where large numbers of people gather near roads that cars have access to should be banned.

No one is going to be safe until we tear up all the sidewalks.

This is something we all need to get behind. Where does the sidewalk end? Right here, right now!

[GGJohn]

93. Football caused this?

Are you fucking serious?

And here I thought it was the fault of the alleged drunk driver in custody.
Learn something new every day,

[cherokeeprogressive]

97. No silly... it was Football (the American kind) cars (the American kind), AND sidewalks (all kinds).

Football (the American kind), cars (the AMERICAN KIND after all, she drove a Hyundai Elantra, a STAPLE of American Iconic Car Enthusiasts) and sidewalks caused this... as sure as the day is long (in America, where we have Daylight Savings Time).

[Quackers]

108. ...

[stonecutter357]

111. are you mentally challenged?

[Nuclear Unicorn]

112. So, how are you on things like The Hajj or the running with the bulls in Pamplona, Spain?

[GeorgeGist]

115. mustbeajoke

a very bad one.

[kcr]

131. They seem to be the only one in on it

Seems pretty pointless if no one else gets it, but at least he/she's enjoying themselves.

[Throd]

116. After ten years on DU, I declare this hands down, THE STUPIDEST POST EVER.

[Initech]

118. [phone]

This user has definitely ruffled a lot of feathers and made a lot of ignore lists.

[fishwax]

123. username checks out

[LanternWaste]

128. Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. Please try to think rationally.

Post hoc ergo prompter hoc. Please try to think rationally.

[kcr]

130. Living up to your user name? n/t

[Ex Lurker]

5. DUI arrest made, according to local news NT

[ChisolmTrailDem]

12. :( nt

[exboyfil]

23. Cranking up the affluenza defense

right now I am sure.

[HereSince1628]

39. If she doesn't just admit guilt, I'd guess something rather more like the "twinkie defense"

something along the lines ''I thought I was drinking Fanta I had no idea there was alcohol in it."

[LisaL]

101. It's not going to work, because the lady isn't rich.

[exboyfil]

102. You are right

As usual it is how much justice you are able to pay for. If you are DuPont you can rape your own kids and not spend a day in prison as another example.

[JCMach1]

45. Been to this parade many times... it's not just about football, it's a College Town

celebrating itself. It's very small-town, quirky, etc. parade.

My heart goes out to the families of the victims here.

[BlueJazz]

53. Aw Geez

[Oilwellian]

55. Mugshot

[restorefreedom]

79. ok is no. 6 worst in nation for drunk driving

6. Oklahoma
> Drunk driving deaths per 100,000: 5.4
> Total DUI arrests: 13,801 (23rd highest)
> Beer consumption per capita: 28.3 gallons (20th lowest)
> Pct. of minors consuming alcohol: 22.3% (13th lowest)
> Pct. of binge drinkers: 16.5% (12th lowest)

Oklahoma’s drunk driving problem has seen little improvement over the decade ending in 2012. While Oklahoma manages to curb underage drinking relatively well, the number of drunk driving fatalities among drinking-age adults decreased by just 5.3% over the 10 years ending in 2012, a far lower decline than in most other states. Current anti-drunk driving laws do not seem to be effective at deterring drunk drivers in the state, as nearly 79% of all drunk driving fatalities involved a driver with a blood alcohol content of at least 0.15% — well above the legal limit of 0.08%.This is despite the fact that the state has an “aggravated DUI” law that imposes harsher penalties on drunk drivers with a blood alcohol level of 0.15% or more.



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rip victims

[Jim Beard]

98. Thank you for making a serious post

Reading ALL the post until now has been very unpleasant. I don't care who is right or wrong and it deserves serious discussion. Neither sided of the tit-for-tat above has given the self restrained discipline this event deserves.

[restorefreedom]

100. sadly drunk driving remains a serious issue

despite all the progress we have made

[NutmegYankee]

83. A 4th vicitim has died - a 2 year-old.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

84. Well shit :(

[lonestarnot]

85. Poor little thing.

[Rond Vidar]

86. Dammit.

[Liberal_in_LA]

99. Tragic

[Behind the Aegis]

96. A sad day.

I worked for OSU for a few years and my husband is alum. I was there when the plane crash with the men's basketball team happened and it was awful. Stillwater is a college town all the way. My thoughts go out to the families and the school.

[exboyfil]

105. From MADD website

Could she be looking at one year or less in prison?

http://www.madd.org/laws/law-overview/Vehicular_Homicide_Overview.pdf

0 to 1 year
Negligent Homicide: Not more than 1 year in the county jail and/or not less than
$100 or more than $1,000

[LisaL]

106. Wow. If that's true, Oklahoma needs to change their driving under the influence penalties, because

they seem to be extremely lenient compared to other states.

[exboyfil]

107. I did some research

Another woman crossed a lane while DUI (her second DUI) and received a 25 year sentence for Murder 2. If this is Chambers' first offense, I am not sure if they could go that far though.

She had worked Friday night and Saturday morning, and apparently partied in between. She was sent home from work before the accident and was wearing her t-shirt that showed her place of employment when she ran into the crowd. She was sent home because her employer thought she was on drugs. I wonder if they may be sued as well - not sure they have a duty to intervene, but they are the deepest pocket around.

http://heavy.com/news/2015/10/adacia-chambers-interview-oklahoma-state-car-crash-homecoming-parade-accident-driver/

[MH1]

114. I suspect there will be an attempt to sue, and probably a settlement

Assuming there is any chance that the suit could be successful, the company will just settle.

One of my in-laws was killed in a similar circumstance - it wasn't alcohol but there was impairment and the rationale for the company being at fault was pretty thin, in my opinion, but that isn't the case here; I'd say there is definitely wrongdoing on the company's part. If they thought she was impaired they should have called her a cab and docked her pay for it. Or had her sleep it off in a back room or something. But of course hindsight is 20-20.

[oneshooter]

119. They should also sue the dealer that sold her the car

and the company that made it.

[Vinca]

122. Perfect example of why you-know-what that we aren't supposed to talk about

should be regulated. Only 3 dead, not 30 in a few seconds of madness.

[oneshooter]

132. It is a mass murder

irregardless of the weapon used. Should not the companies that helped her suffer some consequences? If it holds true for one, it should hold true for all.

[Vinca]

133. Except it doesn't hold true for that other industry. They're protected.

If the car malfunctioned, the lawyers would be lining up around the block to sue the car companies. They can't do that with that other industry whether the product malfunctioned or not and that isn't fair.

[oneshooter]

134. If they can proove a "malfunction" that was not caused

by human error, or the purposeful illegal use then they can.

[Vinca]

135. There's no debating you. You will only agree something should be done when

you or your loved one is on the ground. If then.

[oneshooter]

136. Are you willing to hold makers of knives, whiskey, and autos

to the same standard?

[Vinca]

137. How many people can each of the above easily kill in under 30 seconds?

Try a little common sense.

[oneshooter]

138. This very post is about a woman who killed 4 and injured many more in 30 seconds or less.

By running over them with s vehicle that weighs several thousand pounds.

Are you willing to hold the car maker, and seller, responsible for this?

[Vinca]

139. The point is that cars, among other things, are highly regulated.

Bad things happen, but the car must have had insurance so families will be compensated for their loss. Neither insurance or training is required to own a gun. That makes no sense. No one is trying to take anyone's guns away, but it would be nice if the people who owned them were required to have at least minimal firearms training and adequate liability insurance. Half a brain would be nice, too, so we might hear about fewer toddlers blowing their siblings away because a loaded gun was left laying around like a bag of Doritos.

[oneshooter]

140. You are avoiding the question

Are you willing to have the manufacturers of the vehicle held to the same liability standards that you want to hold the firearms manufacturer. Are you willing to have the dealers of these automobiles held to the same standards as the FFL Dealers.

If you are injured by the ILLEGAL use of an automobile should the manufactures and sellers be held criminally liable.

[Vinca]

141. You have no common sense. It's like talking to a brick. Conversation over.

[oneshooter]

142. Commen sense?

If you apply the law against one manufacturer, you must apply it equally to ALL manufacturers.

[Eleanors38]

121. This is so sad. Brings back memories of four similarly killed in Austin.

[imanamerican63]

124. You have wonder how some people can so ignorant of the real facts.....

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and can make such stupid comments? The real problem here was someone who may have been under the influence or who was distracted drove her car at a high rate of speed into people who where enjoying time with their families and others. To blame this on people who gathered to have some fun is ludicrous! There are so many things in that we gather for, too many to mention. Are we not suppose to enjoy ourselves and be able to go to concerts, fairs, movies, etc.....? It's a scary world out there when people say that football is the problem and not a out of control person speeding down the street and in a moment time people are injured and killed. You "can't be serious" and fault those who are having fun, if so? Well, then in my opinion, you have issues. My thoughts and prays go out to the victims, their families and the entire state of Oklahoma.

[Warren DeMontague]

125. Please, folks, dont drink and drive.

drinking and posting isnt such a hot idea, either.