Hillary Clinton’s emails reveal evidence that George W. Bush committed treason

[BigBearJohn]

Republicans have forced Hillary Clinton release all the emails from her time as Secretary of State in the hopes that somewhere in amongst them might be something they could turn into a scandal and derail her campaign for President. That never materialized, as her emails have been mundane. But it turns out she inherited emails from her predecessor Colin Powell. And that email trail reveals that George W. Bush committed treason.

The secret emails in question date back to 2002. Colin Powell and George W. Bush are shown to have been conspiring to work with British Prime Minister Tony Blair to mislead the American public into believing that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, as a pretense for tricking the nation into supporting an invasion of Iraq. It’s been long established that there never were any such weapons in Iraq, but to some extent the Bush administration had the deniability of claiming that it had made an error. However this email trail suggests that Bush, Powell and Blair spent an entire year laying the groundwork for deceiving the public. Lying to congress in order to get it to approve a war is considered treason.

See more: http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/hillary-clintons-emails-reveal-that-george-w-bush-committed-treason/22854/

[gwheezie]

1. Our news isn't paying any attention

I would have never known this if you hadn't posted it

[Enthusiast]

21. There's nothing to see here.

[Bubzer]

100. I wonder why Hillary kept that information secret.

I cannot think she wanted to protect Bush and Co.

[Geronimoe]

110. She was an enabler

Voting to give Bush AUMF.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

116. The establishment

more of the same

[dembotoz]

121. early on obama had no taste for war crime trials

[Reter]

129. So did Obama

They probably didn't want to rehash it and tear the country up. They are way too nice.

[Midnight Writer]

125. You are exactly right.

A young nephew of mine recently told me he subscribed online to the London Guardian. When I asked him why, he replied "Because I want to know what really goes on here".

[marym625]

2. convict the mother fuckers and everyone that knew about this

[sulphurdunn]

54. I knew the run-up to the war was a fraud,

so did millions of other people, and I'm light years away from the inside. Anyone in a position of power and authority in Washington who claims not to have know or was deceived is a liar and a traitor. Such people can be counted on for more of the same.

[marym625]

68. anyone paying attention knew it was bullshit

Anyone paying attention knew that vote meant war.

We all said it before he was "elected," Bush becomes President, we're going to war.

They should convict everyone attached to this. I don't care who they are

[arikara]

98. This...

the millions of us who took to the streets all over the world knew. And any politician who voted for war either knew and were corrupted or were stupid and absolutely incompetent.

[hibbing]

103. I was on DU then

People were posting all over the place on here about all the lies. And to prove just how corrupt that so called liberal media is, look who they go to for commentary about current foreign policy, all the same crooks and liars from the idiot's administration.

But he kept us safe!

Peace

[Midnight Writer]

124. Hell, even The Onion printed BEFORE W took office that we would invade Iraq

The mock news "story" also predicted tax cuts for the rich.

Funny, ain't it?

[grasswire]

3. crickets in the American media

It must be up to us to break the news. Quite a conundrum. Republicans would be all over this were it not their own party.

[cui bono]

4. So Colin Powell wasn't just a stooge.

Interesting...

[rhett o rick]

63. I believe he knew exactly what he was doing. nm

[Mnpaul]

84. It's his MO

He lied about My Lai
He lied about Iran/ Contra(until he found out someone was taking notes)
He lied about Iraq

[green917]

74. general powell

It's important to remember that Colin Powell cut his teeth on the investigation (and subsequent cover up) of the my lai massacre. I believe he is culpable in a lot more of the bush administration's indiscretions than had been previously suggested.

[Art_from_Ark]

5. A lot of us knew that back in 2000

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When someone pulls out all the stops to steal a presidential election, that's treason in my book.

[Cal33]

51. In January, 2007, Nancy Pelosi said that Impeachment was off the table, and that

was that. The previous Attorney General had 6 years to prosecute -- and didn't.
There must have been some reasons for Democrats not to start criminal proceedings
against GWB. As to what the reasons are, your guess is as good as mine.

[marym625]

70. look at where the people who voted for the war in Iraq are now.

Look at their careers and their bank accounts.

Fucking right they knew.

[CrispyQ]

92. "...and their bank accounts."

This.

[marym625]

94. I've done some research on that

Unfortunately, I'm not an investigative journalist so I don't know how to prove it out. But it's certainly interesting

[Cal33]

128. In your research, did you come across any information on why the Democrats did not

even try to bring to court the war against Iraq that was such a huge crime in terms
of wrongful human deaths and damage to the nation?

[marym625]

130. no, nothing direct

I spent a great deal of time looking at the careers of those that voted yes v no. Who is still in office, if not, what they're currently doing or did when they first left office, if they were voted out v left for cushy jobs, etc.

While I did find that those that voted no, on average, didn't fair as well as those that voted yes, I didn't know how to prove out how that would be different than what would have happened anyway. I realized I would have to look at the same information for years prior. I also don't know that, even if I continued with the research, if prior years might be different just because trends just changed organically.

Frankly, I spent more time researching this than anything I've ever researched. But when I realized how much more I would have to do for past years and that it still might not be the right thing to look at, I have up.

But the greater majority of those that voted yes have faired better than those that voted no.

[Cal33]

135. Thanks for the info.

[marym625]

136. wish I had resources and could go further with it

You're welcome for the little information I have

[BuelahWitch]

104. "Too big to prosecute"

Yep.

[marym625]

107. hey, BuelahWitch!

Haven't seen you in forever.

They're only too big to prosecute because so many are in the pocket of wall street and big oil. It's truly Orwellian

[Cal33]

127. Yes. Most people believe that they knew, but why did the Democrats take it "off the table?" Knowing

is one thing, and proving it in court is something else. The Democrats didn't even bother to try.
What are the reasons for that?

[marym625]

132. Imho, follow the money

It takes a lot of guts to stand up against the powerful. The strongest advocates for what is right, at least at that time, are gone now.

While these are blogs and I'm not trying to use them for source material or to prove anything, they're interesting. Old news too, but still interesting.

http://warisacrime.org/content/obama-doj-asks-court-grant-immunity-george-w-bush-iraq-war

http://www.counterpunch.org/2013/03/21/war-crimes-and-crimes-against-humanity-in-iraq/

And let us never forget that free speech was criminalized
http://www.globalresearch.ca/bush-executive-order-criminalizing-the-antiwar-movement/6377

There's so much more. So much that was in direct violation of the Constitution. So much horror and so many lies. The executive order Obama signed giving immunity to Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Wolfowtoo, for example, while not being unconstitutional, was certainly horrible and in direct conflict to what he was promising during his campaign. It's truly amazing that we're still not fighting for charges, minimally.

Hopefully, this new email discovery will change that. There is quite an uproar starting in the UK. I don't believe our press will be able to ignore it much longer.

[Duppers]

75. I'd like to see an OP initiating a discussion on this point.

Perhaps it's been done and I just missed those postings. This is obviously a very serious subject.

[BigBearJohn]

6. See more here:

The documents, obtained by The Mail on Sunday, are part of a batch of secret emails held on the private server of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton which U.S. courts have forced her to reveal.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277402/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-Blair-s-deal-blood-George-Bush-Iraq-war-forged-YEAR-invasion-started.html#ixzz3p018QXpU
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[tecelote]

8. Donald Trump needs to see this!

He opened the conversation among the Repubs on whether Bush made us safe. Wouldn't it be great if he could get the media's attention on this.

Without the circus act, it will never reach the US entertainment media.

[NealK]

14. I think that's a great idea.

Let's use that bafoon to get the baboon! Someone should email that article to his campain or even better an account that he's using himself because some of his staff could see right trough this. And the timing is perfect.

[BigBearJohn]

17. "Use that bafoon to get the baboon!" OMG ROTFLMAO with that one. GREAT idea.

Let's all tweet this info to Trump. See if he does anything with it.

[J_J_]

37. Trump has really been helping bring good discussions to the media

Anyone who wants to tweet him interesting stories to help...

@realDonaldTrump

[marym625]

71. done

[BigBearJohn]

113. Thanks. I did that right now.

[Triana]

85. @realDonaldTrump is on twitter - just tweet him the link. n/t

[MsLeopard]

97. DUzy!!!

"baboon to get the baboon!" Brilliant!

[TBF]

27. Yes!!! nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

117. I think recently he mentioned about Iraq and the WMDs that weren't there

[Duppers]

82. Thread and great reply on this subject here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141236463#post4

[SleeplessinSoCal]

7. We saw a play "Stuff Happens" by David Hare in 2005

The great British playwright wrote it down and presented what those old emails describe. He was quick with a pen.

"The world premiere of Stuff Happens opened at the Olivier Theatre at the National Theatre in London on September 1, 2004."

Notably there was a plot line about this:" Stuff Happens is a play by David Hare, written in response to the Iraq War. Hare describes it as "a history play" that deals with recent history."

http://m.playbill.com/news/article/bush-administration-ready-iraq-attack-in-stuff-happens-as-hare-drama-reache-126288

[villager]

52. Always glad to learn of David Hare plays I didn't know about previouisly

Have been a fan of his since first seeing "Knuckle" on PBS as an impressionable, already-lefty teenager...

[Ghost in the Machine]

9. Thanks for the thread, BigBearJohn. That's just like a Repiglican though, try to get the goods on

someone else... and wind up shooting themselves in the dick in the process! My ONLY question is this: What the HELL is *ANYONE* going to do about it, and *WHEN*???

Are we going to hear more of the "Let's look forward to what's best for the Country, instead of focusing on the past" bullshit?? It didn't work for Bill Clinton not going after Reagan & Poppy Bush for Iran-Contra, and it most certainly didn't work for President Obama for not going after Gee-DUH-bya, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Rice for War Crimes. In fact, it emboldened "The Corrupt Bastards Club" even more, and they came after both Clinton and Obama with a fiery vengeance like never seen before.

I lay most of the blame for Obama square on the head of Nancy Pelosi and her proclamation of "Impeachment is off the table!" That makes her complicit, IMHO. She should be run out of town on a rail along with the war criminals that she protected!

Peace,

Ghost

[BigBearJohn]

11. WELL SAID!

[Ghost in the Machine]

13. Thank you! I was happy to REC this thread, now here's a kick, too. Peace! N/T

[Enthusiast]

22. Because The Right® has complete control of the media you will never see justice on this issue.

There was a reason they conspired to get rid of the Fairness Doctrine. They wanted to be rid of the media that hounded Nixon. And they did get rid of it.

They have won already. The nation is in the grip of far right Fascism right now. They want to prevent the people from actually recognizing this fact. They have thus far done a fabulous job of it. But given enough rope, as with the Bush Administration, the people have gotten a glimpse of the man behind the curtain. Not that there is a damn thing we can do about it.

The media completely ignores protests no matter how huge and significant. Worldwide protests against the Iraq War were totally ignored. Look how the media lied about Occupy. Tea Party protests, on the other hand, were characterized as a patriotic grassroots outrage against the far leftist (lol) policies of the Obama Administration.

[davekriss]

67. Sad but true

Tragically sad ... 😪

[Ghost in the Machine]

137. The Bush/Cheney Misadministration also refuse to ratify and join the International Criminal Court:

The United States is not a participant in the International Criminal Court (ICC). The ICC is a permanent international criminal court, founded in 2002 by the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (Rome Statute) to "bring to justice the perpetrators of the worst crimes known to humankind – war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide", especially when national courts are unable or unwilling to do so.[1]

As of January 2015, 123 states are members of the court.[2] Other countries that have not signed or ratified the Rome Statute include India, Indonesia, and China.[2] On May 6, 2002, the United States, in a position shared with Israel and Sudan, having previously signed the Rome Statute, formally withdrew its intent of ratification.[2]

Positions in the United States concerning the ICC vary widely. The Clinton Administration signed the Rome Statute in 2000, but did not submit it for Senate ratification. The Bush Administration, the US administration at the time of the ICC's founding, stated that it would not join the ICC. The Obama Administration has subsequently re-established a working relationship with the court.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_and_the_International_Criminal_Court

I'm *sure* they had a good reason to... because they KNEW they were going to be committing War Crimes and other High Crimes.

You *are* correct, Enthusiast... The Right Wing owns the Media, and will continue to do so and be nothing more than a Propaganda Machine for the Right Wing until they can be broken up.

It reminds me of the Electronic Voting Machine companies, and who owns them. They were *supposed to be* owned by separate companies, with no ties to each other. It was later revealed that Diebold and ES&S were owned by 2 brothers... and also had ties to The Carlyle Group, headed by Poppy Bush. Read this post from 2004 on DU:

Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-08-04 06:30 PM
Original message
Read Who Owns The Four Voting Machine Companies ...

-snip-

Air America Radio's Mike Malloy gave the most succinct and passionate explanation in his Wednesday, November 3, 2004, program :

"The American vote count is controlled by three major corporate players, Diebold, ESS, Sequoia, and a fourth, SAIC, Science Applications International. All four are hard-wired into the Bush power structure, the Bush crime family.

"They have been given millions of dollars by the Bush regime to complete a sweeping computerization of voting machines that were just used in the 2004 election. The technology involved had a trial run during the 2002 mid-term elections. Georgia had Diebold machines in every precinct. As a result, a popular Democratic governor and senator were both unseated in what the media called an "amazing" 16 percent swing.

"Diebold's Walden O'Dell, a top Bush fundraiser, publicly committed himself to delivering his home state Ohio's votes to Bush. At Diebold, the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob's brother, Todd, is a top executive at "rival" ES&S. The brothers were originally staked by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council For National Policy, a right-wing steering group stacked with Bush true believers. Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the extremist Christian Reconstruction Movement, which advocates the theocratic takeover of American democracy.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x31265

Lots of good info there. Thanks for giving a damn! (stealing a phrase from octafish)

Peace,

Ghost

[Enthusiast]

142. Thanks for calling our (DU) attention to this! Good stuff!

Sad but good. Or good and sad.

The fuckers can't win unless they cheat. But that is no problem for the Bushes and their allies, they have been cheating for decades. They got plenty of practice undermining democracy in the banana republics.

I hate to lose my enthusiasm. I was born in 1952. As children we were bombarded with rah rah patriotism, USA USA! We were the good guys. We wore the white hats. Within' ten years we had exchanged the white hats for dirty grey ones.

[Ghost in the Machine]

146. Glad to help out! This needs all the exposure it can get... Peace! N/T

[wildbilln864]

31. Damn right Ghost! Thanks. n/t

[Ghost in the Machine]

138. Thank YOU, wildbill. I hope all is well with you and yours...

Peace,

Ghost

[wildbilln864]

139. oh yes bro...things are great here for the moment, just

had a new addition to the family. My new grandson born on the 19th at 5:07 weighing in at 7 lbs 3 oz....
Hope all is great with you.

[Ghost in the Machine]

141. Congratulations on the new bundle of joy in your life, my friend!

I have been in a bit of a rough patch recently myself, but finally starting to see a little bit of light at the end of a long, dark tunnel. I've made it through worse than this before, so I KNOW it will get better soon. It's hard to keep me down!

Peace,

Ghost

[wildbilln864]

147. very sorry to hear you've had troubles Ghost...

But very glad things are getting better for you.

[Duppers]

86. +100

I said yesterday that the American press will ignore this.

"Emboldened 'The Corrupt Bastards Club'"!

Exactly! Bravo, Ghost in the Machine!

[Ghost in the Machine]

140. Thank you, Duppers! I wish I knew how to get it into the the "Lamestream Media", but it would take

someone like Jon Stewart or Bill Maher to bring it up. It's really freakin' sad that we have to depend on comedians to actually get some REAL news in this Country. Stephen Colbert would have done it on The Colbert Report, but probably has his hands tied as the new host of The Late Show.

Peace to you and yours,

Ghost

[BigBearJohn]

10. If this gets national media attention, the GOP is going to rue the day it ever went after emails.

[cynzke]

12. IRONIC, ISN'T IT?

The investigations finally hit pay dirt, LOL! But instead of Hillary, they nail Bush, Blair and Powell. All these years we've faulted the GOP for NOT investigating Bush and then by accident....joke is on them!

[BigBearJohn]

15. When this shit hits the fan, you watch how fast the pugs close down their "investigations."

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtains.

[brush]

33. Wonder how Hillary's appearance will go now . . .

what with this new revelation and also the revelations from the CIA and Elijah Cummings on Gowdy redacting some emails to make it appear SOS Clinton outed a covert operative?

Not to mention McCarthy and the other guy revealing that the whole committee is all about going after Hillary.

Bet Gowdy is right about now dreading he called Clinton to this hearing at all. She's got all kinds of fresh ammo now to use in her testimony.

[cprise]

56. She never started investigation. She's got Bush's IRW architects in her stable

of advisors AND at State:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/us/politics/historians-critique-of-obama-foreign-policy-is-brought-alive-by-events-in-iraq.html?_r=0

And Hillary and her Bush neocon advisor are slinging mud at Obama for not attacking hard enough in Libya!

[brush]

57. Huh? "She never started investigation"? What does that mean?

I'm hoping the repugs get embarrassed and exposed for fraudulently redacting her emails.

What about you? Are you rooting for the Gowdy and the rest of the repugs?

[cprise]

60. I don't have any illusions about Hillary being a dove.

If she knew this after coming to State and was OK with it, then she thinks neocon aggression is OK. She will protect them, and follows their advice and employs them anyway.

Its a bad state of affairs.

[brush]

61. Again, what about the repugs fraudulently redacting emails?

[cprise]

64. How long did it take to find the fraud?

And does redaction even affect a conclusion that Hillary protects war criminals?

I think we'll know pretty soon.

[Duppers]

101. Congress

Not funding the Obama's admin. State Department's security request from comes from Congress and no one else.

Congress did not fully fund their request.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2014/may/13/ronan-farrow/ronan-farrow-says-inadequate-security-funding-cong/

I didn't see Libya mentioned in that article.

(I support Bernie, btw. Just trying to understand.)

[cantbeserious]

16. One Would Hope - However - One Has Lost Hope That Any Action Will Occur

eom

[ejbr]

19. +1 n/t

[cprise]

62. Lost hope is not an option unless you want them to

...keep acting ON YOU.

[cantbeserious]

72. Too Old - Time For The Younger Generation To Take On The Fight

eom

[NewJeffCT]

18. I thought they deleted all their emails?

or something like that? Weren't there 10s of millions of missing emails from the Bush era?

[glinda]

38. Would be great if they magically re-appeared somehow.

[ejbr]

20. If this is true, it may better

explain why Powell stays Reuplican; to insulate himself. IOKIYAR and all.

[Scuba]

23. We - the far-left hippies here on DU - need to keep this in the spotlight. The media never will.

[cantbeserious]

24. Agreed

eom

[Agschmid]

26. Yup.

[snagglepuss]

25. k and r

[napkinz]

28. K&R

[HassleCat]

29. Pah! That's nothing!

You act like invading a foreign country and killing countless numbers of their citizens is a big deal. I mean, it's not like they had sex with an intern and lied about it. Now THAT would be a cause for concern.

[davekriss]

73. Yup

Incredible how things work in a neo-fascist state, huh. It's Wolin's inverted totalitarianism at play, filled with (some) bread and (much) circuses to keep the unwashed masses (the less than 1%) mollified, confused, submissive.

[randys1]

80. But Shock and Awe! JEsus, think how disgusting that was, to glamorize the murder of innocents

by pretending it was a god damn Hollywood movie or something

WAR CRIMINALS

[patsimp]

30. How do we get the news to pay attention to this?

[wildbilln864]

32. email it, facebook it, tweet it, blog about it but get it out everywhere! n/t

[Octafish]

34. Gee. Maybe this is why mentioning ''9-11'' and ''Bush knew'' together is taboo?

We should have that guy up in front of a Grand Jury somewhere, where he can testify[font size="6"] [font color="red"]UNDER OATH.[/font color][/font size]

[Jack Rabbit]

95. What good would that do?

When was the last time the Frat Boy opened his mouth and something other than a pack of lies came out?

I think a witch put a curse on his entire administration so that they could not utter a verifiable statement containing the word Iraq or Saddam.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

118. Jeb looked like he was about to have a heart attack

Shrub must be a bit nervous now

[Generic Other]

120. Even on DU we haven't been free to talk about it

Now I have to ask myself why.

[JEB]

35. K&R&bookmark

There are a bunch of folks running around doing quite well that deserve to be locked up. Conversely, there are plenty of people locked up that deserve their freedom.

[portlander23]

36. Chalk this up as another win for FOIA

[B Calm]

39. Here ya go, bingo!

[Calista241]

53. There's nothing in here that's particularly noteworthy

They can always say "we knew at the time that Saddam and his wmd's were an issue we would need to address in the post 9/11 world." The fact that they planned for an invasion while pursuing "peace talks" shouldn't be news to anyone, anywhere.

These emails say nothing about how they knew Saddam didn't have anything and they were going to make shit up for public consumption.

Don't get me wrong, Bush is an incompetent idiot and quite possibly a war criminal, but these emails are not a smoking gun that proves they lied about anything.

[marlakay]

40. Mostly I want t know why Hillary didn't say anything

Sounds like because it was confidential, so I am hoping this was not part of the emails she used private email.

I still think both Obama and Hillary are wrong to cover for Bush and the others. We won't get our moral backbone back until they are made to pay for what they did.

[Cleita]

47. Bingo. There has been a noticeable ignoring of this by our insider Democrats.

From Nancy Pelosi et al the way to Hillary Clinton, no one wants to investigate and put these Bush administration criminals on trial for treason and subsequent war crimes resulting from their actions in the ME.

[arcane1]

76. Because she already knew it was all a lie.

Why make a big public fuss over something she agreed with?

[Oilwellian]

41. Can someone explain how these emails wound up on Clinton's private server?

They were written six years before she became SOS.

[pinboy3niner]

42. I had to read the Daily Mail story to answer that

These were documents sent to Clinton, possibly at her request. It's not like she inherited her predecessors' email archives in her email account.

The Daily Mail's Q&A explains:

Why have these memos come out now?

The U.S. courts have ruled that 30,000 emails received by Hillary Clinton when she was U.S. Secretary of State from 2009 to 2013 should be released.

She may have asked for these documents to grasp the background to the Iraq War.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277402/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-Blair-s-deal-blood-George-Bush-Iraq-war-forged-YEAR-invasion-started.html

[eppur_se_muova]

43. Which suggests she had growing doubts about the official version ...

perhaps better late than never, but not by much.

[Oilwellian]

44. I didn't think they just automatically appeared on her private server

I figured she had to ask for these particular emails for them to wind up on her private server. I don't think people will buy the excuse that she was just trying to grasp the background to the Iraq War. I'm sure more nefarious thoughts will cross people's minds, but even if they do accept your reasoning, how will she explain keeping this treasonous conspiracy quiet?

It seems to me Hillary really stepped in it this time. She will not come out of this looking very good. Perhaps the repercussions of this latest email release is why Joe Biden is waiting in the wings.

[Generic Other]

122. Classified info? Protecting the state?

It seems totally believable that she would ask for the emails surrounding decisions/important timelines from the Bush administration to be able to do her job. Continuity of government might require that. The fact that she had them must have made her feel like she had something on them though. Like an insurance policy. They were her fail-safe. They may still be. It is the GOP detonating the landmine by launching yet another Clinton investigation. Maybe they just are finding a hidden easter egg that is meant to pop out if anyone digs deep enough. The Democrats lack the will to go after Bushco, but the Republicans are their own worst enemy. It is poetic justice if they are the ones who ultimately reveal their own culpability. I am dying to know if she has emails about PNAC or Cheney, Haliburton and Blackwater in her files. The witch hunt may end up burning the hunters. We can only hope, right?

[Duppers]

115. Inherited from Colin Powell.

I read that here today.

[spanone]

45. K&R...

i googled HIllary's emails / Colin Powell emails

About 2,880 results (0.39 seconds)

that's about zero in the google world

the media will gladly ignore this.

[napkinz]

46. kick!

[optimist.spencer]

48. Well I sure am surprised....

...not. There is no reason for the media not to be over this other than the fact that they're cowards and don't want to start a shitstorm.
Mike Malloy needs to cover this!

[FairWinds]

49. I'm not sure that these docs prove "treason,"

but I wish they did.

I read the articles and did not find the smoking gun that
Blair, Powell etc. knew that there were no WMD's.

Can someone help us out on that? Thanks !!

(PS - I called out the evidence for war in 2003 as lies, but I was not able
to conclusively prove that the principles KNEW they were lies.)

[Cleita]

50. You might as well add this to those revelations.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5527.htm

We urge you to articulate this aim, and to turn your Administration's attention to implementing a strategy for removing Saddam's regime from power. This will require a full complement of diplomatic, political and military efforts. Although we are fully aware of the dangers and difficulties in implementing this policy, we believe the dangers of failing to do so are far greater. We believe the U.S. has the authority under existing UN resolutions to take the necessary steps, including military steps, to protect our vital interests in the Gulf. In any case, American policy cannot continue to be crippled by a misguided insistence on unanimity in the UN Security Council.

[Uncle Joe]

55. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, BigBearJohn.

[BigBearJohn]

59. my pleasure indeed.

[Unknown Beatle]

58. Okay, it's treason.

Do you really think the DOJ will do anything about it? Not in a million years.

[onenote]

144. OK, it's not

What enemy was being given aid and comfort?

And for that matter, what exactly in the emails (which I've read) says anything particularly new or shocking?

[Stuart G]

65. k and r

[zentrum]

66. Democrats never press

…….on this kind of thing. Our leadership is usually passive and reactive—rarely aggressive. Investigating this issue, shouting it out, will be left to people like DU who will then be called fringe far lefties and marginalized.

Wish Democratic leaders realized that even though you understand political strategy like Rove and fight like Ted CRuz, doesn't make you be Rove or Cruz.

Ever since the 3rd way DLC, Democrats have forgotten how to fight.

[BuelahWitch]

105. Well, they got theirs, so to speak

F-U to the rest of us, and the hundreds of thousands of people dead from this "mistake."

[Duppers]

69. Indeed. I thought that too.

I posted here yesterday. Oh, ALL the implications!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1236555

[Thinkingabout]

77. This will probably shut down the Benghazi crap

[gopiscrap]

78. Watch the MSM sweep it under the rug

[Duval]

79. I hope this goes viral.

I'm just tired of waiting for some semblance of reality in our MSM.

[procon]

81. The Downing Street memo.

That was also from 2002 and documented the minutes of a meeting meeting of British officials during the run-up to the Iraq War, discussing that "Bush wanted to remove Saddam Hussein, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy."

[Arugula Latte]

83. Wow.

And fucking Tony Blair in on it from the get-go.

This is why I won't be surprised at all if LIHOP or MIHOP is ever proven.

[Mnpaul]

88. Blair was guilty as hell

To think that he didn't know the true use of the mobile weapons labs is ridiculous. The Brits sold them to Saddam. They were hydrogen generators for weather balloons. The "terrorist training camps" were also set up by the Brits. They were created so Saddam's forces could be trained to fight terrorism.

[unblock]

87. technically i'm pretty sure it wouldn't legally constitute "treason"

as that word is specifically defined in the constitution exactly to prevent over-applying it.

it's lying to congress, certainly; conspiracy as well. and it's beyond morally despicable.

that's bad enough, let's stick with what it is, not throw in what it isn't.

[Chitown Kev]

93. I agree

Calling it treason (bad as all of this is) is too much for the reason that you state.

[workinclasszero]

89. Shut down that lying creep Gowdys witch trial

And start up a real one for high crimes against the people of the United States.

These teahaddists have got to pay for this BS!

[4bucksagallon]

90. Well there is this too.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/apr/03/judith-miller-essay-wmd-saddam-hussein-iraq-war
Declassified memos show that on the day of the September 11 attacks, defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld asked aides to evaluate a plan to “hit SH @ same time” as Osama bin Laden. By November 2001, Rumsfeld was producing page-long outlines on the Iraq invasion with bullet points including “How start?” Bush began meetings in December 2001 with US army general Tommy R Franks and others to begin planning the war, according to the book Plan of Attack by Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward. As the war drew closer, other analysis suggests, the administration cherry-picked intelligence to suit a goal that was already in place: take Saddam out.

[JTShroyer]

91. Well

No shock there. The Bush Administration has always been corrupt to the core.

[former9thward]

96. What a load of crap.

The link goes to a loony garbage website and conveniently does not quote any emails.

[BreakfastClub]

99. Link

[link:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277402/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-Blair-s-deal-blood-George-Bush-Iraq-war-forged-YEAR-invasion-started.html|

[former9thward]

108. There is nothing in that email which says what the OP says.

Nothing. It is mainly about Afghanistan where the UK and the U.S. were partners. Th Daily Mail is now a DU source? Good to know...

[ThingsGottaChange]

102. Nothing will be done.

The media can't do anything. The gov already knows all there is to know. Fuckers are still walking around with the blood of thousands dripping off their hands. But, nothing will be done. You know it and I know it.

[Agnosticsherbet]

106. The Constitution is clear on the definition of treason.

Section 3.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.

What he did was wrong. It may have been illegal, but it was not treason.

[Kablooie]

109. Not damning at all actually.

Only if you assume certain views but those views are not apparent in the memo.

It confirms he will support "public affairs lines" but doesn't explain what they are.
There is no indication it refers to disinformation.

Also he will be with us should "military operations be necessary".
That's not damning either. To prepare for conflict is essential whether it's likely or not.

Even knowing he defrauded the public doesn't prove this letter refers to that.

[dflprincess]

111. Treason is a Bush Family tradition

along with getting away with it.

[kelliekat44]

112. But there is something in those e-mails that has Biden waiting...

What is there that could possible be grounds for impeachment if she is elected. Isn't that strange that you can be impeached for something you did before becoming President?

[wolfie001]

114. Janeane Garofalo!!!!

She's an unsung hero in this back and forth war about "weapons of mass destruction". She was interviewed by Tony Snow and told those bozos that they were wrong. She marched right into the lion's den and frankly, her bravery has never been recognized. I am giving a shout out to Janeane for having the guts to challenge Fox News during the height of their propaganda campaign for war.
Thank you Janeane!!!

[Cleita]

133. That's a name we don't hear about these days.

I wonder what she's doing. She was a wonderful activist back then on this issue.

[wolfie001]

134. Here here!

Hope she's doing well!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

119. What exactly does inherited from Colin Powell mean?

Were these in the state department - didn't Colin Powell have a private server too?

[Gregorian]

123. You can't reconcile Hans Blix's finding of no WMD's, and "imminent threat". Therein lies the trouble

The crime, as i've always seen it is that the administration had evidence to the contrary, that there was no imminent threat.

That makes it an offensive move rather and defensive. A crime.

[KentuckyWoman]

126. Handcuffs and frog march or it didn't happen

No idea what Daily News bin is but until I see WhistleAss doing the march I ain't buying.

[AzDar]

131. K & R

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

143. Oh, so Colin Powell was in on it

He's played the victim quite well for nearly 15 years.

[NuclearDem]

145. The Constitution has the only definition of treason that matters in the US.

And this doesn't meet it by anything even resembling a long shot.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

"Lying to Congress to get it to approve a war" is not treason. It's called "lying."

[BigBearJohn]

148. The Bush Iraqi War Lies, an Act of Treason

see

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/20/1413684/-The-Bush-Iraqi-War-Lies-an-Act-of-Treason#