Top European Court Rules That NSA Spying Makes U.S. Unsafe For Data

[marmar]

(The Intercept) The European Union no longer considers the United States a “safe harbor” for data because the National Security Agency surveillance exposed by whistleblower Edward Snowden “enables interference, by United States public authorities, with the fundamental rights of persons.”

The EU’s highest court, the Court of Justice, declared on Tuesday that an international commercial data-sharing agreement allowing U.S. companies free-flowing access to large amounts of European citizens’ data was no longer valid.

As Snowden revealed in 2013, the NSA has been interpreting section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act as giving it license to intercept Internet and telephone communications in and out of the U.S. on a massive scale. That is known as “Upstream” collection. The NSA is not required to demonstrate probable cause of a crime before a court or judge before examining the data. Another 702 program, called PRISM, explicitly collects communications of “targeted individuals” from providers such as Facebook, Yahoo and Skype.

When Max Schrems, an Austrian law student, learned about Snowden’s revelations, he argued that Facebook was ignoring stronger European privacy laws when it sent his data from its European headquarters in Ireland back to the United States, where it was being intercepted by the NSA. Schrems wrote that the lawsuit he launched against Facebook was about “transparency” and “user control” because he could not determine what was being done with his data—which goes against the European Union Charter of Fundamental Rights. ......................(more)

https://theintercept.com/2015/10/06/top-european-court-rules-that-nsa-spying-makes-u-s-unsafe-for-data/

[NorthCarolina]

1. The NSA intercepts and securly stores everyones data about everything.

How can that be unsafe? Computer crash, need a back-up copy of your hard drive?...call the NSA!

[Blue_Tires]

2. Fine, let them share data with Russia, India or China instead

and see how safe that turns out to be...

I'm old enough to remember when this whole Snowden circus was supposed to be about the constitution or protecting U.S. citizens from domestic spying or something...

[muriel_volestrangler]

3. You're pissed off at European authorities protecting European citizens from foreign spying?

Because it's your government doing the spying?

"Fine, let them share data with Russia, India or China instead and see how safe that turns out to be..." is one of the silliest non sequiturs I've seen from anyone about Snowden. It's not that the data needs to be sent out of Europe. It's that it shouldn't be sent to spies, ie the NSA.

[Blue_Tires]

4. You realize of course this is mostly a ploy

to simply reinforce the competitiveness of European tech corporations/intel agencies, right?

I know it goes against narrative, but that's the real deal...

[muriel_volestrangler]

5. Christ, can't you keep your conspiracy theories out of this?

The graduate student brought a court case about data privacy on Facebook for the benefit of European tech and intel?

[Blue_Tires]

6. My "theories" still have a lot more credence than

the other rank-and-file tinfoil bullshit being spewed on DU daily...

Lest you forget, I've been proven correct more often than not on the Snowden charade... And not one lie or inconsistency I've pointed out has been addressed by Snowden or his fanatics here...

[muriel_volestrangler]

7. Ha.

In your mind, perhaps. But we see that's also capable of coming up with bullshit like in this thread.

[Blue_Tires]

9. Prove me wrong, then

I've challenged this whole forum repeatedly and not one brave soul has stepped up... Search for the links yourself if you like, there are plenty to be found...

So why shouldn't I feel confident? Even the Snowald cultists and troll accounts on Twitter don't fuck with me anymore...

So are you stepping up to the plate, or are you just going to post smilies and insults?

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. Obviously you're wrong about this, because your claim was fucking idiotic

involving a graduate student being a secret agent for unnamed Euro tech companies.

Obviously you have no leg to stand on talking about insults in a post talking about "Snowald cultists and troll accounts".

And obviously I don't give a toss what you do on Twitter, and how your ego thinks people were 'fucking with you'.

Obviously, I remember your reflex defence of the NSA, and slurs against Snowden, and Greenwald, whenever they're mentioned.

But if you think your claims have been shown true when DU in general was wrong, then link to them. "Search for the links yourself" is a ridiculous idea. Links to what? "Blue_Tires was shown right about Snowden"?

[Blue_Tires]

12. You can start here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026515387

Any further responses to me, you can put in that thread... Thank you, and good night

[riderinthestorm]

13. You put up the most asshole OP

And now are trying to point to that as though its evidence of anything.

You got exactly what you deserved in that thread.



I thought you'd actually approach the questioning seriously. Instead you made sure to sabotage your own thread from the start.

[marmar]

8. "I've been proven correct more often than not on the Snowden charade"

Sorry Blue, but I'm going to have to call BS on that one.

[Blue_Tires]

10. If I'm so wrong, why hasn't one person been able to address

all the holes, contradictions and inconsistencies I've been highlighting? If I'm wrong, I imagine it would be easy to prove...