So the Pope reportedly met with piece of shit Kim Davis and told her "stay strong"

[trumad]

If that indeed happened, fuck the Pope.

[PeaceNikki]

1. Fuck him even if he didn't. His words and actions are encouragement to her and all like her.

[Codeine]

15. +1 nt

[sailfla]

2. His every move was watched. How or when could that have happened

[RKP5637]

30. That's what I wonder too. Also, Kim Davis is watched. It all sounds concocted to me

and more looniness.

[TexasProgresive]

3. When, where, how did this supposedly happen?

So say her lawyers- known to be paragons of honesty. I for one don't believe it happened.
Here's a link to a New York Times piece on the alleged meeting. I believe with all the reporters everywhere the Pope was at least one would have seen the highly visible Kim Davis entering the Vatican Embassy.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=0

[hobbit709]

4. It happened right after that 100,000 person rally in Chile.

[TexasProgresive]

5. Bwhaaahaaa!

Thanks for that

[RKP5637]

34. K&R! Yep! And she also materialized right into his abode. I also think I saw her

on my muffin this morning, I'll put it on eBay for bidding later!

[Warren Stupidity]

7. Read the article. She was at the embassy to receive an award.

Ms. Davis and her husband were in Washington anyway to receive an award from the Family Research Council, a conservative advocacy group, in recognition of her stand against same-sex marriage.

During Ms. Davis’s visit to the Vatican Embassy, “the pope came to her and held out his hand,” Mr. Staver said.

-your link.

[Bluenorthwest]

10. Family Research Coucil's Tony Perkins joined Pope Francis in Rome in November by invitation for

a three day conference to organize against marriage equality. So Tony and Francis have an ongoing relationship that would expedite this meeting easily. Tony said the Vatican event was 'almost euphoric' by the way, so he really liked it.

Vatican Strengthens Ties with Evangelicals and Mormons Against Gay Marriage
http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Actually I re-read the article, she was in Washington to get the FRC award

not at the Vatican. The article was confusing to say the least.

[Bluenorthwest]

14. Warren, the Vatican conference was in November, FRC was invited by the Vatican along with

Heritage Foundation and NOM and all the religious right. It was three days about opposing marriage equality.
This week, Davis got the award from Perkins. Last November Perkins was invited to a Vatican conference. This week, even Francis was not at the Vatican, as you might recall. Francis was in DC, were Tony and Kim were.

So the connection is present. Perkins and the Pope are associates. Francis has previously invited Tony to anti gay events which Tony called 'almost euphoric' so those claiming the 'fundies hate the Pope' are full of lies and shit.

[merrily]

6. Did he cut a backwards P onto her cheek?

[yardwork]

8. I don't believe it. Edited to say, yes it's true.

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[Bluenorthwest]

11. Why? Please read this link, in which Francis has a conference in Rome and invites Tony Perkins of

FRC who gave Kim an award on Friday....
http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/

[yardwork]

18. I've changed my mind. The Vatican didn't deny the meeting.

It looks like the Catholic Church and other anti-gay organizations are using Ms. Davis as part of their international strategy.

[ProfessorGAC]

9. Understand Your Sentiment

However, i don't believe that this actually happened.

[Bluenorthwest]

13. Even having knowledge as you do that they are connected through Perkins and FRC?

What do you base your belief upon?
http://time.com/3597245/vatican-evangelicals-mormons-gay-marriage/

[el_bryanto]

16. Is Kim Davis a credible witness in your mind? Has Perkins confirmed the meeting?

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and if he did would he be a credible witness? Or isn't it possible that she is doing her best to parley her fifteen minutes of bigoted fame into a career, and figures this claim will help her accomplish that?

Edited to add - obviously further information has come out; so I retract these questions.

Bryant

[LostOne4Ever]

42. How about the vatican? They confirmed it

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=0

[el_bryanto]

49. Yes - that part of the story hadnt' come out when I asked those questions. Dissappointing.

[ProfessorGAC]

17. The Fact That She's A Liar

So, if she says it, i'm highly suspicious that she's telling the truth.

[yardwork]

19. The Vatican issued a statement neither denying not confirming

That is confirmation that the meeting took place, I think.

[trumad]

20. Her team says they are waiting for the Vatican to release the photos.

That would be a nail in the coffin.

[yardwork]

39. I doubt the Vatican will release photos, but they've confirmed the meeting.

Subsequent statements this morning essentially confirm the meeting.

There is an international strategy to deny gay rights in developing countries. The Catholic Church is a big part of that effort. Ms. Davis is now part of that.

Watch for international trips and prayer meetings. The Peru photo was fake but the effort is real.

[LostOne4Ever]

43. Strange this says the vatican did confirm them meeting

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=0

[yardwork]

44. Yes, that is a follow up. They have confirmed the meeting took place.

[rockfordfile]

21. who cares

[trumad]

22. I do..and so do many others.

When you validate a bigot you are a bigot.

[djean111]

52. Yes, both the Pope and Davis are, indeed bigots. Birds of a feather. Not surprised.

[kpete]

23. Visual proof

[rockfordfile]

41. haha

[Sunlei]

24. "stay strong"

[spanone]

25. our media has run with this story....the truth hardly matters to them..why wait for confirmation?

silly me

[PeaceNikki]

26. There is confirmation

On Wednesday, the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, confirmed the meeting, but he declined to elaborate. “I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no other comments to add,” he said.

Mr. Staver said that Vatican officials had been aware of Ms. Davis, and that the meeting had been arranged through them — not through bishops or the bishops’ conference in the United States. He would not identify the Vatican officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=0

[Small Accumulates]

31. Thanks for posting, PeaceNikki

The truth matters.

[PeaceNikki]

33. Thanks for posting it first!!

It does and I am sick of people covering for this bigot.

[Small Accumulates]

27. Vatican has confirmed the meeting

On Wednesday, the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, confirmed the meeting, but he declined to elaborate. “I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no other comments to add,” he said.

Mr. Staver said that Vatican officials had been aware of Ms. Davis, and that the meeting had been arranged through them — not through bishops or the bishops’ conference in the United States. He would not identify the Vatican officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=0

[treestar]

28. It can't have happened

Another one of her lawyer's lies.

[PeaceNikki]

29. It did happen

On Wednesday, the Vatican spokesman, the Rev. Federico Lombardi, confirmed the meeting, but he declined to elaborate. “I do not deny that the meeting took place, but I have no other comments to add,” he said.

Mr. Staver said that Vatican officials had been aware of Ms. Davis, and that the meeting had been arranged through them — not through bishops or the bishops’ conference in the United States. He would not identify the Vatican officials.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/30/us/county-clerk-kim-davis-who-denied-gay-couples-visited-pope.html?_r=0

[Xyzse]

32. Disappointing.... Though not entirely unexpected.

I can like someone while disapproving of some of their actions.

Still disappointing.

[Codeine]

35. I'm sure his DU Fan Club will find a way

to ignore this.

[treestar]

37. Well what does meeting with her really do?

What victory does it hand her? The Pope can't do a damn thing when it comes to our laws.

[yardwork]

40. Oh, this will be very powerful overseas.

I have traveled in Africa, where religious organizations have an enormous influence because they bring aid - food, clothing, shelter, education. Those gifts create loyalty and influence legislation against gay people. There are death penalties for being gay in many countries.

Kim Davis is now the face of religious persecution and martyred strength. Her mousiness - her old fashioned, modest clothes and long hair - will resonate with religious fundamentalists worldwide.

[Codeine]

47. For the last week the DU Pope Club has been

banging on about how meaningful his message is and how important his exercise of moral authority will prove, but now all of a sudden teh message is "Nevermind, he's just some guy, you know?"

Weak.

[Small Accumulates]

53. Consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, don't cha know?

[treestar]

58. I look at him as a glass half full

Hopefully he can influence on economic issues. I don't expect a Catholic to be modern on things having to do with sex (at least out loud, as most of them live like everyone else now anyway). But they have already lost all that when it comes to law. If they want to live that way, fine, but they can't force it on anyone else. Which is Kim Davis' very problem. The law has gone against her. The Pope can commiserate with her all he wants, but it won't affect the state of US law. They've already lost.

[LanternWaste]

60. No more and no less than many people will pretend to have knowledge

No more and no less than many people will pretend to have knowledge of the conversation, its premise, its context and its conclusion, regardless of who is a fan of whom...

Not every meeting I've had was pleasant, not every conversation positive.

[B Calm]

36. I don't give a rats ass if he met her not, why is this news?

[Throd]

38. "Cuz he's super awesome and progressive. Except when he isn't.

[MineralMan]

45. Apparently it did happen.

I'm not a fan of this Pope, for a number of reasons, but I'm also not a big fan of saying "Fuck you" to world leaders, religious or otherwise. It does no good, and can do harm.

Disagreement doesn't necessarily require nastiness, despite much evidence that it is common. I think we should be uncommon in our criticism of such people, and demonstrate that we're uncommonly civil.

I think the Pope is wrong to have lent support to Kim Davis. She is a horrid person who flaunts the law of the land.

[Fix The Stupid]

46. Are you seriously saying...

Really? Someone on an internet message board 'can do harm' for saying fuck the pope?

What harm? I can't wait to read this...

[MineralMan]

48. Uh, yes, I'm seriously saying that.

What harm? There are many Catholics who are Democrats. Insulting the leader of their religion, rather than disagreeing with him in civil terms can alienate those Catholics. I see the potential for harm there.

You may not. That's fine, but I wanted to make my opinion known. I believe that is allowed here.

[Fix The Stupid]

50. fuck any catholics who agree with him.

There.

How's that for civil?

Fuck any catholics who still support this bigoted man and his bigoted institution. They are all culpable.

And if any of these catholic democrats would switch their vote to republican because of what is said on a message board, well, they aren't worth fuck all either.

[whatthehey]

51. Does the Pope use civil terms

when he calls marriage equality satanic and loving families with same sex parents child abuse?

When the Vatican offers respect, I'll return it.

[trumad]

55. LOL

That's our MM

[still_one]

54. Vatican has confirmed it happened. I fail to understand why folks

believe the church dogma has changed because of Francis. Not tolerating molestation and advocating for the poor and less fortunate should not even be debatable among institutions that call themselves religious

[meow2u3]

56. I'm not buying this idea the the Pope met Kim Davis

I'm thinking it's just another hoax perpetrated by Kimmie and her handlers. Take it with a grain of salt.

She made up the Lima, Peru hoax, so why not assume that the Pope meeting is not one?

[Codeine]

57. Confirmed by the Vatican. nt

[Solly Mack]

59. :)

[Liberal_in_LA]

62. Yup